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Kolbers , Has anyone used an MZ 201 on a Kolb I was thinking about it for a Firefly as it would be lighter and I need to put hand controls on for my rudder as i cant use my feet , t,hey claim 69 lbs including electric start ,reduction, muffler ,a complete 40 hp engine rig that only turns 4700 rpm ? that makes me wonder if I could get enough prop on it to make that thing fly like a Kolb should?
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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Chris- The original Firestar got away with a Rotax 377, so why not? And Jack Hart is using one smaller than that- the MZ 34, rated for 30hp.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
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From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Mz 201
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Monday, November 21, 2011, 11:57 AM
Kolbers , Has anyone used an MZ 201 on a Kolb I was thinking about it for a Firefly as it would be lighter and I need to put hand controls on for my rudder as i cant use my feet , t,hey claim 69 lbs including electric start ,reduction, muffler ,a complete 40 hp engine rig that only turns 4700 rpm ? that makes me wonder if I could get enough prop on it to make that thing fly like a Kolb should?
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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phactor9
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:50 am Post subject: Mz 201 |
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I've recently ordered my Firefly from Travis and the mz201 engine and get them both in a few weeks. I'm planning on swinging somewhere around a 60-62" Tennessee wooden prop - I don't quite know the pitch yet - call Steve at TN props - (931) 455-4516 for Qs.
The belt reduc is 1.77:1. The prop therefore swings around 2,650 rpm at the mz201's 4,700 max rpm. I opted for a single ignition magneto version of the mz201 (lighter!). A battery will still be needed if I want to take advantage of the elec start.
Phil H.
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From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Mz 201
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, November 21, 2011, 12:08 PM
Chris- The original Firestar got away with a Rotax 377, so why not? And Jack Hart is using one smaller than that- the MZ 34, rated for 30hp.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
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From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Mz 201
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Monday, November 21, 2011, 11:57 AM
Kolbers , Has anyone used an MZ 201 on a Kolb I was thinking about it for a Firefly as it would be lighter and I need to put hand controls on for my rudder as i cant use my feet , t,hey claim 69 lbs including electric start ,reduction, muffler ,a complete 40 hp engine rig that only turns 4700 rpm ? that makes me wonder if I could get enough prop on it to make that thing fly like a Kolb should?
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:49 am Post subject: Mz 201 |
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Bill I understand all the numbers but real experiance is all I was looking for ? thanks for the comeback . Chris
PS I was just dreaming about flying a rocket like i remember my KXP
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mz 201
Chris- The original Firestar got away with a Rotax 377, so why not? And Jack Hart is using one smaller than that- the MZ 34, rated for 30hp.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
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From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Mz 201
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Monday, November 21, 2011, 11:57 AM
Kolbers , Has anyone used an MZ 201 on a Kolb I was thinking about it for a Firefly as it would be lighter and I need to put hand controls on for my rudder as i cant use my feet , t,hey claim 69 lbs including electric start ,reduction, muffler ,a complete 40 hp engine rig that only turns 4700 rpm ? that makes me wonder if I could get enough prop on it to make that thing fly like a Kolb should?
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Phil That sounds great I must admit that it was your discussion with Tom Stephens that got me interested , that and the fact that to stay legal weight wise I will have a problem with the 447 that it was designed with .Your plan sounds real good I hope it works out great .My firefly is on the gear but naked and a long way from flying , it is in Florida and I am in Ma. Only get to work on it when I go south in the winter which I dont know if i can afford this year . I am trying to sell the place I have down there and rebuild my shop here in Ma. we will see . thanks for the come back maybe someone who has one flying will answer my post and we will all be able to learn Chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
From: Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: Mz 201
I've recently ordered my Firefly from Travis and the mz201 engine and get them both in a few weeks. I'm planning on swinging somewhere around a 60-62" Tennessee wooden prop - I don't quite know the pitch yet - call Steve at TN props - (931) 455-4516 for Qs.
The belt reduc is 1.77:1. The prop therefore swings around 2,650 rpm at the mz201's 4,700 max rpm. I opted for a single ignition magneto version of the mz201 (lighter!). A battery will still be needed if I want to take advantage of the elec start.
Phil H.--- On Mon, 11/21/11, william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> wrote:
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From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Mz 201
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, November 21, 2011, 12:08 PM
Chris- The original Firestar got away with a Rotax 377, so why not? And Jack Hart is using one smaller than that- the MZ 34, rated for 30hp.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
--- On Mon, 11/21/11, chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
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From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Mz 201
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Monday, November 21, 2011, 11:57 AM
Kolbers , Has anyone used an MZ 201 on a Kolb I was thinking about it for a Firefly as it would be lighter and I need to put hand controls on for my rudder as i cant use my feet , t,hey claim 69 lbs including electric start ,reduction, muffler ,a complete 40 hp engine rig that only turns 4700 rpm ? that makes me wonder if I could get enough prop on it to make that thing fly like a Kolb should?
Chris DavisKXP 503 492 hrsGlider PilotDisabled from crash building Firefly
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:39 am Post subject: Mz 201 |
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Bill I understand all the numbers but real experiance is all I was looking for ? thanks for the comeback . Chris
PS I was just dreaming about flying a rocket like i remember my KXP
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phactor9
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:52 am Post subject: Mz 201 |
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Chris, I've yet to hear of anyone with the mz201 on ANY Kolb yet speak up, although I'm aware of mz201/202s on trikes, gyros, etc.
Steve at TN Props says they can adjust the pitch if needed. He said they can do this once to the wooden props, and that he does it often. I'm favoring the TN prop because of the savings in cost (1/2!) and weight.
Phil
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From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mz 201
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Monday, November 21, 2011, 2:24 PM
Phil That sounds great I must admit that it was your discussion with Tom Stephens that got me interested , that and the fact that to stay legal weight wise I will have a problem with the 447 that it was designed with .Your plan sounds real good I hope it works out great .My firefly is on the gear but naked and a long way from flying , it is in Florida and I am in Ma. Only get to work on it when I go south in the winter which I dont know if i can afford this year . I am trying to sell the place I have down there and rebuild my shop here in Ma. we will see . thanks for the come back maybe someone who has one flying will answer my post and we will all be able to learn Chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
From: Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: Mz 201
I've recently ordered my Firefly from Travis and the mz201 engine and get them both in a few weeks. I'm planning on swinging somewhere around a 60-62" Tennessee wooden prop - I don't quite know the pitch yet - call Steve at TN props - (931) 455-4516 for Qs.
The belt reduc is 1.77:1. The prop therefore swings around 2,650 rpm at the mz201's 4,700 max rpm. I opted for a single ignition magneto version of the mz201 (lighter!). A battery will still be needed if I want to take advantage of the elec start.
Phil H. --- On Mon, 11/21/11, william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> wrote:
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From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Mz 201
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, November 21, 2011, 12:08 PM
Chris- The original Firestar got away with a Rotax 377, so why not? And Jack Hart is using one smaller than that- the MZ 34, rated for 30hp.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
--- On Mon, 11/21/11, chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
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From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Mz 201
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Monday, November 21, 2011, 11:57 AM
Kolbers , Has anyone used an MZ 201 on a Kolb I was thinking about it for a Firefly as it would be lighter and I need to put hand controls on for my rudder as i cant use my feet , t,hey claim 69 lbs including electric start ,reduction, muffler ,a complete 40 hp engine rig that only turns 4700 rpm ? that makes me wonder if I could get enough prop on it to make that thing fly like a Kolb should?
Chris DavisKXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefly
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I must say listening to John's alaska story about ten years ago is
part of what excited me about kolbs.
My personal view though is that a 503 is more than neccessary on
a true firefly. I had a firestar kxp 10 years ago, empty weight about 310 with brs.
With the 377, 35 horse, i still climbed at 700-800 and cruised at 70-75.
Just didnt see the need for a 503, 447 might have been cool for it.
Renee
Bas spellong blaned on ophone 
On Nov 21, 2011, at 11:37 AM, "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:
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Bill I understand all the numbers but real experiance is all I was looking for ? thanks for the comeback . Chris
PS I was just dreaming about flying a rocket like i remember my KXP
Chris D/Folks:
If I was going to build and fly a Firefly, I'd put a 503 single carb on it. The 503 is probably the most reliable Rotax two stroke.
I have flown the FF quite a bit with the 447. It performs about like my original Firestar with a 447. I wouldn't want anything less than a 447 on a FS.
Most of us fly for the fun of flying, performance and that mighty Kolb climb. If you under power your airplane, it ain't going to fly for a Kolb.
Some folks fly to say on gas with the very minimum HP they can get by with to get the Kolb off the ground. If you go light on power, you'll be flying behind the power curve more than yanking and banking and having a good time
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John , because of the dual ignition and the fact that I never had any trouble with mine the 503 was my choice but "KOLB" told me the airframe would not take the vibration of the 503 with out reinforcements it would shake that ultralight chromemoly apart so I settled on the 447 , then came the weight factor of my "adaptive equipment "and the MZ201 seamed like it might be the answer 45 HP and 20 lbs less weight. Im considering all possibilities. Chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 2:37 PM
Subject: RE: Mz 201
Bill I understand all the numbers but real experiance is all I was looking for ? thanks for the comeback . Chris
PS I was just dreaming about flying a rocket like i remember my KXP
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Agree - my Twinstar had a 503 single carb with a TN wood prop and it climbed around 1,500fpm and flew like a scared bat. With two 235 lb. people, it still climbed around 800fpm (guessing on that one).
Phil H.
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From: Renee <ulflygirl(at)mysky.us>
Subject: Re: Mz 201
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Monday, November 21, 2011, 8:07 PM
I must say listening to John's alaska story about ten years ago is
part of what excited me about kolbs.
My personal view though is that a 503 is more than neccessary on
a true firefly. I had a firestar kxp 10 years ago, empty weight about 310 with brs.
With the 377, 35 horse, i still climbed at 700-800 and cruised at 70-75.
Just didnt see the need for a 503, 447 might have been cool for it.
Renee
Bas spellong blaned on ophone
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Bill I understand all the numbers but real experiance is all I was looking for ? thanks for the comeback . Chris
PS I was just dreaming about flying a rocket like i remember my KXP
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John,
Although the size of the font is OK your posts are double spaced and still too wide for the screen.
Everyone else's posts are OK.
Pat
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:59 am Post subject: Mz 201 |
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John,
Although the size of the font is OK your posts are double spaced and still too wide for the screen.
Everyone else's posts are OK.
Pat
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:18 am Post subject: Mz 201 |
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John- I think it's the Matronics computer. When I enter something, my font stays the same. The line length changes when I get it back. Regular e-mails from me to others don't do it. Maybe Matt knows why.
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Subject: RE: Mz 201
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 8:56 AM
John,
Although the size of the font is OK your posts are double spaced and still too wide for the screen.
Everyone else's posts are OK.
Pat
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lcottrell
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:51 am Post subject: Mz 201 |
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Both yours and John's went out of sight with the same problem. John says that his is set to Plain text. I checked the tool bar on this message and there is a tool called "format" on this message, and it is set to "Rich Text (html). The funny part about it is that this is the only message in all of my email that gives me the option of changing the "Format" on the tool bar.
for what it is worth,
Larry
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:58 am Post subject: Mz 201 |
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Larry- Yours came through too wide, too.
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From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mz 201
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 9:48 AM
Both yours and John's went out of sight with the same problem. John says that his is set to Plain text. I checked the tool bar on this message and there is a tool called "format" on this message, and it is set to "Rich Text (html). The funny part about it is that this is the only message in all of my email that gives me the option of changing the "Format" on the tool bar.
for what it is worth,
Larry
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Thumper
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:02 am Post subject: Re: Mz 201 |
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I believe your choice of the MZ201/2 will be a good one. My only reservation is the single diaphram carb. The MZ201 is just the MZ202 with a different intake manifold and Tillotson carb plus limit the rpm to 4800rpm. I used many of those carbs over the years and don't consider them reliable enough to fly with. Too much fiddling required as per Jack Harts blog, thanks Jack. If you could make a single carb manifold and use a Bing or Mikuni float style then you would be safer to fly. Either version you will have RPM options since you can limit it to 45hp or let it spin up to 60hp with nothing breaking. I want to install that engine on a Firestar II in the future (once I get my Mark III sold). It is not much heavier with the twin carb arrangement maybe you should think about that. I might know someone who has a manifold for the dual carb you could buy without having to pay for new. The MZ201 is just a de-rated 202. I like the fan cooling that doesn't use a belt, reed valve induction for good crankcase stuffing (simpler than rotary valve) and the MZ202 has almost the same HP as a Rotax 583 but weights 43# less because lighter block and no water cooling weight. Prices are less too. I would guess that you will like the MZ201 or 202 for thrust. I did talk to a fellow once who had the 201 on a twinstar and said it flew great. He did not like the carb much though and was working on inflight mixture control. His brakes would not hold it on the ground so he could not do the required full throttle run up required each time to set the carb needles as recommended. I think Leon at compactradialengines.com/ can give you his name also. PS how much lighter was it with only the single ignition over dual ignition? I like the thought of dual ignition with todays solid state circuits. In the old points 447 it usually would not just quit, it would just run bad and still get you home, most of the time solid state just quits with no warning.
Dennis Long
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lcottrell
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:51 am Post subject: Mz 201 |
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OK, this time I clicked "plain text" as it came through on HTML
Larry
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lcottrell
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:52 am Post subject: Mz 201 |
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OK, this time I clicked "plain text" as it came through on HTML. I was
planning on sending it through then I realized that I had not typed enough
to wrap around. DUH? Then when I tried to send it on, every thing from your
name to punctuation was questioned by spell checker. Beats me, you guy's are
going to have to figured it out.
Larry
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lcottrell
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:53 am Post subject: Mz 201 |
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OK, this time I clicked "plain text" as it came through on HTML. I was
planning on sending it through then I realized that I had not typed enough
to wrap around. DUH? Then when I tried to send it on, every thing from your
name to punctuation was questioned by spell checker. Beats me, you guy's are
going to have to figured it out.
Larry
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:54 am Post subject: Mz 201 |
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OK, this time I clicked "plain text" as it came through on HTML. I was
planning on sending it through then I realized that I had not typed enough
to wrap around. DUH? Then when I tried to send it on, every thing from your
name to punctuation was questioned by spell checker. Beats me, you guy's are
going to have to figured it out.
Larry
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includes my email address.
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