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Albert Gardner

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 455
Location: Yuma, AZ

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:45 am Post subject: ipad Accessory

Ever have a regret that there was something at Oshkosh you should have done

but didn't do? I bought a ipad holder there from somebody but failed to get

a necessary accessory. I bought a holder/shell with a manufacturers logo on

it from "Vogel's" but they also had a small insert that allowed it to clamp

onto a RAM mount I can't figure out where to get that accessory now - does

anyone have any ideas on sources for it? I really like the holder/shell. It

has a strap that comes with it that would allow it to become a kneeboard

although I think the ipad is to large to be a kneeboard.

Albert Gardner

N991RV

Yuma, AZ

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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:14 pm Post subject: ipad Accessory

The iPad works well as a knee pad in the '10.  Specificallay, the knee 

pad suggested by ForeFlight works very well.



The pad clears the stick quite well in normal flight.  The 2/3 size 

cover prevents your arm from inadvertently 'operating' the iPad, not 

that it is much of a problem without such protection.



The conundrum is whether to use the 2/3 size cover to scratch paper for 

freqs and clearances, or to use ForeFlight's scratchpad for writing 

freqs (perhaps not long clearances).  Since the 2/3 size cover is such 

good protection, I'll just stick with paper and the scratch pad for now.



On 12/12/2011 2:37 PM, Albert Gardner wrote:

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 Ever have a regret that there was something at Oshkosh you should have done

 but didn't do? I bought a ipad holder there from somebody but failed to get

 a necessary accessory. I bought a holder/shell with a manufacturers logo on

 it from "Vogel's" but they also had a small insert that allowed it to clamp

 onto a RAM mount I can't figure out where to get that accessory now - does

 anyone have any ideas on sources for it? I really like the holder/shell. It

 has a strap that comes with it that would allow it to become a kneeboard

 although I think the ipad is to large to be a kneeboard.

 Albert Gardner

 N991RV

 Yuma, AZ

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:10 am Post subject: ipad Accessory

That brings up an issue that I'd like to hear what people think about. As good of an idea as it is to have the scratch pad in Foreflight, I have yet to find it useful at all. When flying, I always use paper to write frequencies so I can list them out as well as write the name of the center I am talking to and the Baro that they gave me (and squawk code as applicable). The scratch pad is useless in this type of application in my opinion. How many people use the scratch pad in flight and how many use paper?



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

C: 352-427-0285

F: 815-377-3694



On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:11 AM, Bill Watson wrote:



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 The iPad works well as a knee pad in the '10.  Specificallay, the knee pad suggested by ForeFlight works very well.

 

 The pad clears the stick quite well in normal flight.  The 2/3 size cover prevents your arm from inadvertently 'operating' the iPad, not that it is much of a problem without such protection.

 

 The conundrum is whether to use the 2/3 size cover to scratch paper for freqs and clearances, or to use ForeFlight's scratchpad for writing freqs (perhaps not long clearances).  Since the 2/3 size cover is such good protection, I'll just stick with paper and the scratch pad for now.

partner14

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Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:58 am Post subject: ipad Accessory

I use the scratch pad for several things....also nice to have a nice flat surface, which the ipad provides automatically.... certainly for center freqs, but also to keep up with the wind... it's direction and speed... as I'm climbing... I level off at several altitudes, and scribble the alt, direction and speed.  Also can make notes the day before of things I want to do or ck while flying the next day... so I think it's great.  Always had been a problem trying to find that pencil and paper in a hurry.

Don

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 --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>

That brings up an issue that I'd like to hear what people think about. As good of an idea as it is to have the scratch pad in Foreflight, I have yet to find it useful at all. When flying, I always use paper to write frequencies so I can list them out as well as write the name of the center I am talking to and the Baro that they gave me (and squawk code as applicable). The scratch pad is useless in this type of application in my opinion. How many people use the scratch pad in flight and how many use paper?

Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

C: 352-427-0285

F: 815-377-3694

On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:11 AM, Bill Watson wrote:

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 The iPad works well as a knee pad in the '10.  Specificallay, the knee pad suggested by ForeFlight works very well.

 The pad clears the stick quite well in normal flight.  The 2/3 size cover prevents your arm from inadvertently 'operating' the iPad, not that it is much of a problem without such protection.

 The conundrum is whether to use the 2/3 size cover to scratch paper for freqs and clearances, or to use ForeFlight's scratchpad for writing freqs (perhaps not long clearances).  Since the 2/3 size cover is such good protection, Ie Support Your Lists This Month  href="http://www.aeroelectric.com" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.cobsp;    * HomebuiltHELP http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rution Web                     &nbsphref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" target="_blank">http://www=======================

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Tim Olson

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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:03 am Post subject: ipad Accessory

I'd tend to agree with that. I don't really find it much

use at all, except maybe in an emergency when you can't

get to your notepad.  It's too "head down" to type things

in, and the touch drawing would be too large.  I also like

keeping the notepad page full of the entire trip.  You

can use it for historical tracking of events and things too.

I take a photo of my notepad with my camera after trips

so that I have a record of my ATC interactions, and

the route and fuel/time information.  So while I'm

thrilled to be paper free in many areas, the cockpit is

the last remaining place where I really find any use

for handwriting.  I probably write more on my notepad

in the plane in a year than I write on all other paper

combined in 5 years.  I simply don't do handwriting outside

of the cockpit.  But in the cockpit, I haven't found

anything that would make a great replacement.



I DO find that the scratchpad has one good use though...

in formation flight it makes a great signalling device.

You can write something on it to show the plane next

to you if you need to be sans-radio for a while.



Tim

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On 12/13/2011 7:05 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:

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 Saint<jesse(at)saintaviation.com>



 That brings up an issue that I'd like to hear what people think

 about. As good of an idea as it is to have the scratch pad in

 Foreflight, I have yet to find it useful at all. When flying, I

 always use paper to write frequencies so I can list them out as well

 as write the name of the center I am talking to and the Baro that

 they gave me (and squawk code as applicable). The scratch pad is

 useless in this type of application in my opinion. How many people

 use the scratch pad in flight and how many use paper?



 Jesse Saint

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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:03 am Post subject: ipad Accessory

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 That brings up an issue that I'd like to hear what people think about. As good of an idea as it is to have the scratch pad in Foreflight, I have yet to find it useful at all. When flying, I always use paper to write frequencies so I can list them out as well  as write the name of the center I am talking to and the Baro that they gave me (and squawk code as applicable). The scratch pad is useless in this type of application in my opinion. How many people use the scratch pad in flight and how many use paper?

 

 Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation, Inc.

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com

 C: 352-427-0285

 F: 815-377-3694

 

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 > The iPad works well as a knee pad in the '10.  Specificallay, the knee pad suggested by ForeFlight works very well.

 > 

 > The pad clears the stick quite well in normal flight.  The 2/3 size cover prevents your arm from inadvertently 'operating' the iPad, not that it is much of a problem without such protection.

 > 

 > The conundrum is whether to use the 2/3 size cover to scratch paper for freqs and clearances, or to use ForeFlight's scratchpad for writing freqs (perhaps not long clearances).  Since the 2/3 size cover is such good protection, I'll just stick with paper  and the scratch pad for now.

 

 

 

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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:04 am Post subject: ipad Accessory

Well, necessity can be the mother of discovery...



When I saw the scratch pad, my first thought was, "nice touch but won't 

replace paper and pencil".  Well, it won't but in fact, on my last 

flight I found myself -naturally- using the scratch pad for freq 

changes!  The primary reason being that I haven't found a place to put 

my pencil(s) yet.



Before I had an AP, having a pencil (and a backup pencil) attached to my 

clipboard was essential.  And in round gauge land, writing everything 

down was equally essential.  In that environment, pens weren't even 

reliable enough.



In my current glassed over state, I've settled into 'writing' baro 

changes directly into my GRT EFIS.  I'm also writing altitude clearances 

directlyl into the EFIS (though I miss the little stick-on pointer I 

used to use on my round altimeter but in the end, it didn't drive an AP 

or otherwise remind me to level off at the right time).  I'm still 

writing most vectors on paper (or the scratch pad) but I'm not sure why 

- maybe the small size of the heading display on the GRT.



What's left are multi-part clearances, which absolutely get written on 

paper, and routine freq changes which still get written but I find 

myself naturally using the scratchpad if I don't have a pencil in my 

hand.  I didn't expect that.



So right now, I'm keeping pencils and pens on the left side wall where 

they can be accessed but not accessed unconciously.  Given that 

situation, I'm naturally deciding to use the scratch pad for freq changes.



In addition, the scratch pad has a keyboard input option too.  It's 

actually 2 scratch pads - one for hand scritching and one for keyboard.  

Clearing one doesn't clear the other.  So for fuel data at fuel stops 

and other in flight notes that I want to retain, I'm keying into the 

scratch pad for later reference.  A nice feature.



So, the scratch pad has become a part of my 'system'.  On my last 

flight, my paper scratch had had some throw away freqs on it, and so did 

my iPad scratch pad.  The keyed in scratch pad will be copied into a 

spreadsheet later today.  Nice feature!



I know if I fabricate a pencil holder for my knee board, I'll go back to 

pencil and paper exclusively so I'm going to hold off on that for awhile 

and see how paperless I can get.



Bill "loving my AP" Watson

GRT EFIS, TT AP, G430W



On 12/13/2011 8:05 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:

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 That brings up an issue that I'd like to hear what people think about. As good of an idea as it is to have the scratch pad in Foreflight, I have yet to find it useful at all. When flying, I always use paper to write frequencies so I can list them out as well as write the name of the center I am talking to and the Baro that they gave me (and squawk code as applicable). The scratch pad is useless in this type of application in my opinion. How many people use the scratch pad in flight and how many use paper?



 Jesse Saint

 The conundrum is whether to use the 2/3 size cover to scratch paper for freqs and clearances, or to use ForeFlight's scratchpad for writing freqs (perhaps not long clearances).  Since the 2/3 size cover is such good protection, I'll just stick with paper and the scratch pad for now.

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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:29 am Post subject: Re: ipad Accessory

For VFR or common IFR routes that I normally do I don't write anything down.  I feed the instruments as they speak with emer power on jets and backup power on my RV-10.  I do have the ipad handy if I need to scratch something down.

For IFR routes I normally don't fly I use the paper print out from fltplan.com.  I write down the ATIS on the bottom and the clearance right next to the planned clearance.  This way I have everything on one piece pf paper.  It also has the times, fuel burn, etc.  It even states if RAIM is available throughout the entire route.

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Albert Gardner

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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:46 am Post subject: ipad Accessory

OK, I found the source for my ipad accessory as well as a lot of other stuff

for ipad's such as RAM mounts, Bad Elf gps, ipad stuff. Prices look ok and

they had what I badly needed. As I said I had purchased the shell and carry

bag at OSK but couldn't remember who from. I'm experimenting with a center

console mount for the ipad.

http://www.mygoflight.com



Albert Gardner

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John Ackerman

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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:47 pm Post subject: ipad Accessory

All our flying has been VFR so far...In our plane the FO has complete control of the ipad, and she uses the scratch pad for her notes, and maps to follow position, airport data, etc.

The captain uses a conventional kneeboard and note pad. It works out well; she is able to keep the data she wants - tach times, etc. Helps a lot with "what altitude did he say?" kind of stuff, too. I'm told that the iPad is essential  equipment, (even though much of the info is available on the EFISes).



On Dec 13, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

[quote]INteresting discussion, as one who still flies an aircraft with steam gauges and only a wing leveler. Frequency changes are dialed into standby on either com radio, heading is set with HSI heading bug, altitude is written down, as are any changes to FP route, squawk is dialed into transponder..........all of the above when in the air. On the ground getting clearance, I have FP clearance written in sequence, so that I only have to note changes, altitude, heading and squawk. All on paper. Gives some ideas how the -10 glass panel with no steam gauges routine will differ.

 

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 Well, necessity can be the mother of discovery...

 

 When I saw the scratch pad, my first thought was, "nice touch but won't replace paper and pencil".  Well, it won't but in fact, on my last flight I found myself -naturally- using the scratch pad for freq changes!  The primary reason being that I haven't found a place to put my pencil(s) yet.

  

 Before I had an AP, having a pencil (and a backup pencil) attached to my clipboard was essential.  And in round gauge land, writing everything down was equally essential.  In that environment, pens weren't even reliable enough.

  

 In my current glassed over state, I've settled into 'writing' baro changes directly into my GRT EFIS.  I'm also writing altitude clearances directlyl into the EFIS (though I miss the little stick-on pointer I used to use on my round altimeter but in the end, it didn't drive an AP or otherwise remind me to level off at the right time).  I'm still writing most vectors on paper (or the scratch pad) but I'm not sure why - maybe the small size of the heading display on the GRT.

  

	




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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:18 am Post subject: Re: ipad Accessory

I think there is a great opportunity for a new feature or app.  For the most part as your chugging along you just get handed off from frequency to frequency.  The hardest part can be just understanding the name of the next place youâ€™re being handed off to.  It would be really cool if I had an app that would look at my current position, altitude, and direction of flight and give me a short list of what frequency (and name) I could expect next.  I know going into an airport it is really nice to have a heads up and all of the radios tuned, we are able to do this because we have plates which tell us all of the frequencies in order.  Too bad we canâ€™t have this same thing in the air as we cross from center to center.



I see it as a list of potential next frequencies and names with a check box next to each one, once I am given the next frequency I check the box, it gets added to the list and the next set of potential frequencies are dynamically listed.  Oh yea, if it makes you feel better you could also put a spinner box there for the current barometer.  Just a thoughtâ€¦.

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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:45 am Post subject: ipad Accessory

Some of the EFIS's show nearest ATC.  My G3X shows it from the nearest menu. 

I use this a lot if I'm using flight following in the west and check-on or 

off with the new centers.  It states the name of the facility and frequency.



Also, in the info area I have closest barometer as one of my selections so 

it is constantly updating as I'm flying cross-country.

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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:07 am Post subject: ipad Accessory

I was going to say the same thing. I often hit NRST - ATC and

try to pre-load the next handoff.  And I also do NRST - WX and

keep the altimeter updated.  None of this is on the iPad side,

but the EFIS side, so there are good tools out there that

help.  And, even though I do GPS direct much of the time, I

still load NRST - VOR and try to keep one tuned in on X/C

flights because if you decide to call and report position or

use FlightWatch, you'll want to report your position in relation

to a VOR...and that way I can have the mileage-to handy.

Tim

On 12/14/2011 7:41 AM, Seano wrote:

[quote] 



 Some of the EFIS's show nearest ATC. My G3X shows it from the nearest

 menu. I use this a lot if I'm using flight following in the west and

 check-on or off with the new centers. It states the name of the facility

 and frequency.



 Also, in the info area I have closest barometer as one of my selections

 so it is constantly updating as I'm flying cross-country.

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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:37 am Post subject: Re: ipad Accessory

Yup - your both right, the data is available by other means (it is also on the charts).  I was thinking of this more from the standpoint of building a log of frequencies used.  Often on a return flight following the same path you can just invert you previous paper log and know what to expect.  Or of you do the same flight again and again, having a log keeps you ahead of the game by knowing what to expect.  After all, you never want the airplane to arrive anywhere unless your head beat it there by a few minutes.



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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:35 am Post subject: ipad Accessory

Different strokes...

I have to admit to making little or no effort to anticipate enroute freq 

changes (or altimeter settings).  Flying the same route a couple of 

times, it's amazing how well you can recall stuff, making it easier on 

repeat visits.



When things get busy, I focus on the freq and don't worry about picking 

up the facility name - if I miss it, "approach" or "center" gets the job 

done.



The hardest time to figure out who to call is leaving an uncontrolled 

airport in the boonies with the intent of picking up a previously filed 

plan in the air.  NRST center or approach works but it may take 1 or 

more changes before the right ATC facility is engaged.  The trick is to 

retain the last freq before you land - that usually works the first time.



I try to file direct 100% but 50% of my flying is up against the east 

coast where direct IFR is almost impossible around NYC, DC, and the FL 

coast.  It's still very much airways (!!) and VORs.  ForeFlight on the 

iPad shines here because I put the clearance directly into the iPad, 

then view it on the low enroute chart and translate it into waypoints on 

the G430.

e.g. 8NC8 PXT V16 DIXIE RBV JERYY V249 SAX KPN

That was a recent clearance I got  in the air.  I used to be able to eat 

that in the soup while hand flying.... not sure I'm up to that right 

now.  I know I'll never choose to do that again without an AP.



I'm in the habit of putting the first half of the flight in the G430 and 

then just a few waypoints for the 2nd half knowing that things will 

change enroute.  NYC Tracon will try to cut every corner and straighten 

out the flight once there, but the original clearance will be 

circuitous.  JAX center manages the busy coastal interstate using  

airways and altitudes to keep things separate but once the thunder 

bumpers get started it's all about deviations to stay out of the clouds 

with a lot of VFR traffic mixed in (I really need some traffic 

capability, com'on NavWorx!)



Outside of those areas, it's just file direct and often the only ATC 

question is "what's your on course heading for that?".



I'm not in the habit of backing myself up by tuning VORs but know I 

should.  Not using Flight Watch much anymore I guess because it seems 

easier to use the on board weather to get the long range picture.  But I 

haven't really flown in any serious weather for quite awhile so we'll 

see how that works.  Frankly, XM weather on my G396 was better than XM 

on my GRTs but I'm holding my breath until I get ADS-B installed and 

then see where I'm at.



Bill "still needing a lot of proficiency work to get up to spec in the 

system" Watson



On 12/14/2011 9:03 AM, Tim Olson wrote:

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 I was going to say the same thing. I often hit NRST - ATC and

 try to pre-load the next handoff.  And I also do NRST - WX and

 keep the altimeter updated.  None of this is on the iPad side,

 but the EFIS side, so there are good tools out there that

 help.  And, even though I do GPS direct much of the time, I

 still load NRST - VOR and try to keep one tuned in on X/C

 flights because if you decide to call and report position or

 use FlightWatch, you'll want to report your position in relation

 to a VOR...and that way I can have the mileage-to handy.

 Tim

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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:10 am Post subject: ipad Accessory

On 12/14/2011 9:32 AM, Bill Watson wrote:

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		   The hardest time to figure out who to call is leaving an uncontrolled

 airport in the boonies with the intent of picking up a previously filed

 plan in the air. NRST center or approach works but it may take 1 or more

 changes before the right ATC facility is engaged. The trick is to retain

 the last freq before you land - that usually works the first time.




	


Or to look at the approach plate...the freq used there is

likely the one you'll need.



 	  Quote: 	
		   Outside of those areas, it's just file direct and often the only ATC

 question is "what's your on course heading for that?".




	


I haven't flown IFR out East, but in all my travels, it's been

rare that I can't go direct, so it's been great.  I just don't

try to do it around the major metro areas.  When I have, they've

often just vectored me around places like KATL and KMSP though

to their liking.



 	  Quote: 	
		   I'm not in the habit of backing myself up by tuning VORs but know I

 should. Not using Flight Watch much anymore I guess because it seems

 easier to use the on board weather to get the long range picture. But I

 haven't really flown in any serious weather for quite awhile so we'll

 see how that works. Frankly, XM weather on my G396 was better than XM on

 my GRTs but I'm holding my breath until I get ADS-B installed and then

 see where I'm at.



 Bill "still needing a lot of proficiency work to get up to spec in the

 system" Watson




	


My personal prediction is that even once someone gets ADS-B installed,

they'll prefer XM/WSI to ADS-B weather if they're a serious

x/c flier.  I don't believe the coverage will be as good down

low and especially pre-takeoff, I think it'll leave people

with a lot to be desired.  I remember on one of my trips

back from the Bahamas, if I hadn't seen the WSI picture

on the ground, I'd have cancelled the takeoff and trip.

But seeing it gave me the ability to know exactly how I

was going to route around a big cell as soon as I took off, and

get out of the area. With ADS-B you'd spend more time

worrying when you don't have coverage.  So Satellite based

systems will always have a place, for the serious x/c

traveler. I spend very little time doing local flights, so

to me, in-flight WX is probably second to none in the

glass-cockpit capability I need.



Tim

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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:58 am Post subject: ipad Accessory

On 12/14/2011 11:06 AM, Tim Olson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 On 12/14/2011 9:32 AM, Bill Watson wrote:

> 

> The hardest time to figure out who to call is leaving an uncontrolled

> airport in the boonies with the intent of picking up a previously filed

> plan in the air. NRST center or approach works but it may take 1 or more

> changes before the right ATC facility is engaged. The trick is to retain

> the last freq before you land - that usually works the first time.

>

 Or to look at the approach plate...the freq used there is

 likely the one you'll need.

Yep, another advantage of having -all- the plates easily accessed on the 

iPad

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 My personal prediction is that even once someone gets ADS-B installed,

 they'll prefer XM/WSI to ADS-B weather if they're a serious

 x/c flier.  I don't believe the coverage will be as good down

 low and especially pre-takeoff, I think it'll leave people

 with a lot to be desired.  I remember on one of my trips

 back from the Bahamas, if I hadn't seen the WSI picture

 on the ground, I'd have cancelled the takeoff and trip.

 But seeing it gave me the ability to know exactly how I

 was going to route around a big cell as soon as I took off, and

 get out of the area. With ADS-B you'd spend more time

 worrying when you don't have coverage.  So Satellite based

 systems will always have a place, for the serious x/c

 traveler. I spend very little time doing local flights, so

 to me, in-flight WX is probably second to none in the

 glass-cockpit capability I need.

Tim, can you say a bit more about ADS-B weather?  I'm not at all clear 

on how that works but it sounds like on the ground you can't get a 

complete picture?  Or no picture at all?  Weather coverage for only a 

limited area?

Bill

BTW - concerning IFR around NYC - often the best technique is to cancel 

IFR, then ask for vectors, or stay out of the Class B and just tell them 

what you are going to do.  You definitely get the sense that the 

controllers would often suggest cancellation that if they could but I 

don't think they can.  J Mac used to write a lot about the frustration 

of getting into KHPN from the south.

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:10 pm Post subject: ipad Accessory

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		  >

 Tim, can you say a bit more about ADS-B weather? I'm not at all clear on

 how that works but it sounds like on the ground you can't get a complete

 picture? Or no picture at all? Weather coverage for only a limited area?



 Bill




	




The short answer is basically that since it's all ground tower

based, you won't have reception at low low altitudes in all

areas. I think the basic guarantee is that they're going

to cover XX % of the U.S. at an altitude of 5000 feet or

above.  There will be many many areas that work fine

at 1000' AGL.  There will be some that work on the ground, too.

But in general, unless there is a GBT (Tower) on your airport,

you will be unlikely to get signal until you're at least off

the ground a little....and in some areas, it may be up to

5000'.   At my home airport, it's about 1000' right now.



So, strategic pre-takeoff planning can be difficult unless

you use some 3G service on your iPad, and you may find

that you have various areas where you don't get coverage

in the U.S.



Also, I've found on a few trips that due to icing, the flight

wasn't really "completeable" if you climbed, but by staying

below an overcast at 1000' with 20 mile viz, you could stay

out of the moisture and do fine.  I've navigated around

lines of weather and done the "run south 'til you're

past the line and then cut West" thing a few times.  It wasn't

quite scud running, because you had good viz. But it's

the same concept.  When you are in those situations you

really want to have the WX picture, but if you aren't

going to have reception until 2000' in your area, your

options become limited.  To me, you need WX info nearly

100% of the time on days when WX is a factor...and

you'd need it 120% of the time on days when you

really have to work your way around the wx.  Sadly,

those are the days that ADS-B may not take good enough

care of you.



Where I see a huge value is for people who have XM/WSI on

one device, but want "free" wx on their EFIS.  Having WX

displayed directly on your EFIS is a huge plus.  So if you

have a 396, you're doing good. But adding ADS-B on your

EFIS would be better.

Tim

eagerlee

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
Posts: 35

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:36 am Post subject: ipad Accessory

it's keyboard scratchpad on Foreflight for my  notes.  Flight plan and clearances are copy/paste into the scratchpad.  Squack codes, altitudes, frequencies, ATC identities are all entered with the  iPad touch keyboard.  I carry the iPad on my conventional kneeboard which  has a paper/pencil supply but as yet not needed.

  

 PH

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