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rcdettmer(at)charter.net
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Hello Commander Fans,
Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot side door in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this work..?? Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:20 am Post subject: Pilot Side Door |
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HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but certainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another airframe (I may know where there is one). jb
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:31 am Post subject: Pilot Side Door |
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Hi JB,
Any idea on the cost and who would be a good shop for such a job..? Thanks.
Randy
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Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but certainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another airframe (I may know where there is one). jb
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John Vormbaum
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:48 am Post subject: Pilot Side Door |
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Jim, isn’t there an STC kit for pilot doors? Maybe Morris, or Commander Aero, has one in their attic?
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Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but certainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another airframe (I may know where there is one). jb
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tylorhall(at)mac.com
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:43 am Post subject: Pilot Side Door |
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Air Center has the STC for the front door.
http://www.aircenterinc.com/
I had heard that Legacy in OK has some parts for the door like frames ?
JB, did you go by a look at it?
Tylor Hall
On Jan 6, 2012, at 10:15 AM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com (yourtcfg(at)aol.com) wrote:
[quote]HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but certainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another airframe (I may know where there is one). jb
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yourtcfg(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:43 am Post subject: Pilot Side Door |
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HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea who owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of that and would be the best place to have it done, having installed several. The factory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC installations were not that great. I just delivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I could see daylight around much of it from the pilot seat. It also required too much effort to operate. All items that can probably be addressed, but should have be done right to begin with. Another source might be John Towner in KC. He owns 35 Commanders and every one has a front door. A used door will cost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at least equal that, maybe more. Finished, if done correctly, it will ad most of that back in the value of the airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost nothing as they leak water, cold air and noise. jb
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yourtcfg(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:58 am Post subject: Pilot Side Door |
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HI RANDY......John Towner, Central Air owns and STC (SA2803CE) for at least the model 500B, should be the same for your airplane. jb
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rcdettmer(at)charter.net
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:06 am Post subject: Pilot Side Door |
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Thanks JB – great information.
Randy
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Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 10:38 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea who owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of that and would be the best place to have it done, having installed several. The factory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC installations were not that great. I just delivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I could see daylight around much of it from the pilot seat. It also required too much effort to operate. All items that can probably be addressed, but should have be done right to begin with. Another source might be John Towner in KC. He owns 35 Commanders and every one has a front door. A used door will cost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at least equal that, maybe more. Finished, if done correctly, it will ad most of that back in the value of the airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost nothing as they leak water, cold air and noise. jb
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jtaddington(at)verizon.ne
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: Pilot Side Door |
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It might not be that easy. I have been trying for at least 10 years to get an approval for John’s battery set up for my 500A. I finally found a guy that is a designee for the FAA and he is more crotchety than just about any FAA inspector. He said, after a few choice words, they can’t say no so I think I am just about to get the approval. We have it installed in the plane but may have to take it out and take a picture and then put it back. I may have made a big mistake in doing it while we are doing the annual inspection instead of after.
I would like to some day have a front door put in my 500A, good luck and I hope you don’t have any problems.
Jim Addington
N444BD
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:53 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY......John Towner, Central Air owns and STC (SA2803CE) for at least the model 500B, should be the same for your airplane. jb
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From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com>
To: commander-list <commander-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 10:45 am
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea who owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of that and would be the best place to have it done, having installed several. The factory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC installations were not that great. I just delivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I could see daylight around much of it from the pilot seat. It also required too much effort to operate. All items that can probably be addressed, but should have be done right to begin with. Another source might be John Towner in KC. He owns 35 Commanders and every one has a front door. A used door will cost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at least equal that, maybe more. Finished, if done correctly, it will ad most of that back in the value of the airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost nothing as they leak water, cold air and noise. jb
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From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net (rcdettmer(at)charter.net)>
To: commander-list <commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 9:32 am
Subject: RE: Pilot Side Door
Hi JB,
Any idea on the cost and who would be a good shop for such a job..? Thanks.
Randy
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Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ([email]owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com?[/email])] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com (yourtcfg(at)aol.com)
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but certainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another airframe (I may know where there is one). jb
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John Vormbaum
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:36 pm Post subject: Pilot Side Door |
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Jim, what is special about John’s battery setup? What’s different about it from a normal 500B? (signed, a curious 500B owner)
Good luck with your install. I hope you don’t have to undo/redo it.
/John
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 4:18 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pilot Side Door
It might not be that easy. I have been trying for at least 10 years to get an approval for John’s battery set up for my 500A. I finally found a guy that is a designee for the FAA and he is more crotchety than just about any FAA inspector. He said, after a few choice words, they can’t say no so I think I am just about to get the approval. We have it installed in the plane but may have to take it out and take a picture and then put it back. I may have made a big mistake in doing it while we are doing the annual inspection instead of after.
I would like to some day have a front door put in my 500A, good luck and I hope you don’t have any problems.
Jim Addington
N444BD
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:53 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY......John Towner, Central Air owns and STC (SA2803CE) for at least the model 500B, should be the same for your airplane. jb
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jtaddington(at)verizon.ne
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:20 pm Post subject: Pilot Side Door |
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John, the STC is for the 500B but did not include any other models. It is a much cheaper battery that is much better than the regular aircraft batteries. I paid $300 for the two 12 volt batteries where I was given an $850 for the 24 volt. The aircraft 12 volt batteries were something like $185 each and don’t last as long. These are waterless so you don’t have to vent them and they don’t leak. You have a 500B sot you can get the STC from John for your plane and not have any problems. Jim
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 6:34 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pilot Side Door
Jim, what is special about John’s battery setup? What’s different about it from a normal 500B? (signed, a curious 500B owner)
Good luck with your install. I hope you don’t have to undo/redo it.
/John
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 4:18 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pilot Side Door
It might not be that easy. I have been trying for at least 10 years to get an approval for John’s battery set up for my 500A. I finally found a guy that is a designee for the FAA and he is more crotchety than just about any FAA inspector. He said, after a few choice words, they can’t say no so I think I am just about to get the approval. We have it installed in the plane but may have to take it out and take a picture and then put it back. I may have made a big mistake in doing it while we are doing the annual inspection instead of after.
I would like to some day have a front door put in my 500A, good luck and I hope you don’t have any problems.
Jim Addington
N444BD
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:53 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY......John Towner, Central Air owns and STC (SA2803CE) for at least the model 500B, should be the same for your airplane. jb
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From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com>
To: commander-list <commander-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 10:45 am
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea who owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of that and would be the best place to have it done, having installed several. The factory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC installations were not that great. I just delivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I could see daylight around much of it from the pilot seat. It also required too much effort to operate. All items that can probably be addressed, but should have be done right to begin with. Another source might be John Towner in KC. He owns 35 Commanders and every one has a front door. A used door will cost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at least equal that, maybe more. Finished, if done correctly, it will ad most of that back in the value of the airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost nothing as they leak water, cold air and noise. jb
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From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net (rcdettmer(at)charter.net)>
To: commander-list <commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 9:32 am
Subject: RE: Pilot Side Door
Hi JB,
Any idea on the cost and who would be a good shop for such a job..? Thanks.
Randy
[img]cid:image001.gif(at)01CCCCB0.06860AA0[/img]
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ([email]owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com?[/email])] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com (yourtcfg(at)aol.com)
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but certainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another airframe (I may know where there is one). jb
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:45 pm Post subject: Pilot Side Door |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> JIM ,I HAVE TWIN COMMANDER ENGINEERING ORDER 5800211. IT'S FOR CONVERSION OF THE 500B 24V BATTERY TO TWO 12V CONCORDES. IT'S AN EASY JOB AND VERY COST EFFECTIVE AS WELL AS PROVIDING MORE AMP HOURS AND PROBABLY LONGER LIFI. GOOD LUCK, LLOYD. N6290X.
PS : SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS USE # 800211.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: Pilot Side Door |
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Jim, if you are talking of gell batts the lead acid are much better and cheaper, they withstand temp changes and you get the 'tiltite' caps (12v).
Donnie 205/492-8444
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From: Jim Addington <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 8:16 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
John, the STC is for the 500B but did not include any other models. It is a much cheaper battery that is much better than the regular aircraft batteries. I paid $300 for the two 12 volt batteries where I was given an $850 for the 24 volt. The aircraft 12 volt batteries were something like $185 each and don’t last as long. These are waterless so you don’t have to vent them and they don’t leak. You have a 500B sot you can get the STC from John for your plane and not have any problems. Jim
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 6:34 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pilot Side Door
Jim, what is special about John’s battery setup? What’s different about it from a normal 500B? (signed, a curious 500B owner)
Good luck with your install. I hope you don’t have to undo/redo it.
/John
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 4:18 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pilot Side Door
It might not be that easy. I have been trying for at least 10 years to get an approval for John’s battery set up for my 500A. I finally found a guy that is a designee for the FAA and he is more crotchety than just about any FAA inspector. He said, after a few choice words, they can’t say no so I think I am just about to get the approval. We have it installed in the plane but may have to take it out and take a picture and then put it back. I may have made a big mistake in doing it while we are doing the annual inspection instead of after.
I would like to some day have a front door put in my 500A, good luck and I hope you don’t have any problems.
Jim Addington
N444BD
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:53 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY...... John Towner , Central Air owns and STC (SA2803CE) for at least the model 500B, should be the same for your airplane. jb
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jtaddington(at)verizon.ne
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:41 pm Post subject: Pilot Side Door |
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Lloyd, thanks for the offer but we are too far along and I think we can get there from here. The batteries we are using are just like the Concord and we put them on their side and bottom to bottom. I think these are 25 amps each.
Jim
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 8:41 PM
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Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
JIM ,I HAVE TWIN COMMANDER ENGINEERING ORDER 5800211. IT'S FOR CONVERSION OF THE 500B 24V BATTERY TO TWO 12V CONCORDES. IT'S AN EASY JOB AND VERY COST EFFECTIVE AS WELL AS PROVIDING MORE AMP HOURS AND PROBABLY LONGER LIFI. GOOD LUCK, LLOYD. N6290X.
PS : SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS USE # 800211.
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jtaddington(at)verizon.ne
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:44 pm Post subject: Pilot Side Door |
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These are B & C batteries, that is what John’s STC called for, together they are lighter than the 24V battery.
Jim
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:23 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
Jim, if you are talking of gell batts the lead acid are much better and cheaper, they withstand temp changes and you get the 'tiltite' caps (12v).
Donnie 205/492-8444
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From: Jim Addington <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 8:16 PM
Subject: RE: Pilot Side Door
John, the STC is for the 500B but did not include any other models. It is a much cheaper battery that is much better than the regular aircraft batteries. I paid $300 for the two 12 volt batteries where I was given an $850 for the 24 volt. The aircraft 12 volt batteries were something like $185 each and don’t last as long. These are waterless so you don’t have to vent them and they don’t leak. You have a 500B sot you can get the STC from John for your plane and not have any problems. Jim
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 6:34 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pilot Side Door
Jim, what is special about John’s battery setup? What’s different about it from a normal 500B? (signed, a curious 500B owner)
Good luck with your install. I hope you don’t have to undo/redo it.
/John
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 4:18 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pilot Side Door
It might not be that easy. I have been trying for at least 10 years to get an approval for John’s battery set up for my 500A. I finally found a guy that is a designee for the FAA and he is more crotchety than just about any FAA inspector. He said, after a few choice words, they can’t say no so I think I am just about to get the approval. We have it installed in the plane but may have to take it out and take a picture and then put it back. I may have made a big mistake in doing it while we are doing the annual inspection instead of after.
I would like to some day have a front door put in my 500A, good luck and I hope you don’t have any problems.
Jim Addington
N444BD
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:53 PM
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Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY...... John Towner , Central Air owns and STC (SA2803CE) for at least the model 500B, should be the same for your airplane. jb
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To: commander-list < commander-list(at)matronics.com >
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 10:45 am
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea who owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of that and would be the best place to have it done, having installed several. The factory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC installations were not that great. I just delivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I could see daylight around much of it from the pilot seat. It also required too much effort to operate. All items that can probably be addressed, but should have be done right to begin with. Another source might be John Towner in KC. He owns 35 Commanders and every one has a front door. A used door will cost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at least equal that, maybe more. Finished, if done correctly, it will ad most of that back in the value of the airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost nothing as they leak water, cold air and noise. jb
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From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net (rcdettmer(at)charter.net)>
To: commander-list <commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 9:32 am
Subject: RE: Pilot Side Door
Hi JB,
Any idea on the cost and who would be a good shop for such a job..? Thanks.
Randy
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Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ([email]owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com?[/email])] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com (yourtcfg(at)aol.com)
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 AM
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Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but certainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another airframe (I may know where there is one). jb
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From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net (rcdettmer(at)charter.net)>
To: commander-list <commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:54 am
Subject: Pilot Side Door
Hello Commander Fans,
Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot side door in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this work..?? Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
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BillLeff1(at)aol.com
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I installed my front door on a field approval (hint - that becomes approved data). It fits better than any factory door I have seen. I John Towner can't help you let me know, I may l know where a couple of doors may be.
Bill Leff
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[quote]From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 19:07:45 GMT+00:00
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
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Thanks JB – great information.
Randy
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
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HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea who owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of that and would be the best place to have it done, having installed several. The factory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC installations were not that great. I just delivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I could see daylight around much of it from the pilot seat. It also required too much effort to operate. All items that can probably be addressed, but should have be done right to begin with. Another source might be John Towner in KC. He owns 35 Commanders and every one has a front door. A used door will cost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at least equal that, maybe more. Finished, if done correctly, it will ad most of that back in the value of the airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost nothing as they leak water, cold air and noise. jb
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Thanks Bill,
I may give you a call if we proceed.
Randy
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Dettmer Architecture
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805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 4:15 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pilot Side Door
I installed my front door on a field approval (hint - that becomes approved data). It fits better than any factory door I have seen. I John Towner can't help you let me know, I may l know where a couple of doors may be.
Bill Leff
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Phone
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From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net (rcdettmer(at)charter.net)>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 19:07:45 GMT+00:00
Subject: RE: Pilot Side Door
Thanks JB – great information.
Randy
[img]cid:image001.gif(at)01CCCD59.6B83E090[/img]
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] ([email][mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com][/email]) On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com (yourtcfg(at)aol.com)
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 10:38 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea who owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of that and would be the best place to have it done, having installed several. The factory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC installations were not that great. I just delivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I could see daylight around much of it from the pilot seat. It also required too much effort to operate. All items that can probably be addressed, but should have be done right to begin with. Another source might be John Towner in KC. He owns 35 Commanders and every one has a front door. A used door will cost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at least equal that, maybe more. Finished, if done correctly, it will ad most of that back in the value of the airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost nothing as they leak water, cold air and noise. jb
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Randy,
I'm sure jimmy Schiller at palm beach aviation has a front door on the shelf. If you need his number let me know.
Dale Alston
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On Jan 7, 2012, at 7:28 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net (rcdettmer(at)charter.net)> wrote:
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Thanks Bill,
I may give you a call if we proceed.
Randy
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Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BillLeff1(at)aol.com (BillLeff1(at)aol.com)
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 4:15 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Pilot Side Door
I installed my front door on a field approval (hint - that becomes approved data). It fits better than any factory door I have seen. I John Towner can't help you let me know, I may l know where a couple of doors may be.
Bill Leff
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Phone
-----Original message-----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net (rcdettmer(at)charter.net)>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 19:07:45 GMT+00:00
Subject: RE: Pilot Side Door
Thanks JB – great information.
Randy
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Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 10:38 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea who owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of that and would be the best place to have it done, having installed several. The factory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC installations were not that great. I just delivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I could see daylight around much of it from the pilot seat. It also required too much effort to operate. All items that can probably be addressed, but should have be done right to begin with. Another source might be John Towner in KC. He owns 35 Commanders and every one has a front door. A used door will cost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at least equal that, maybe more. Finished, if done correctly, it will ad most of that back in the value of the airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost nothing as they leak water, cold air and noise. jb
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Thanks Dale,
I’ll let you know if I need a door.
Randy
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Dettmer Architecture
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San Luis Obispo, CAÂ 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Calvin D. Alston
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:47 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
Randy,
I'm sure jimmy Schiller at palm beach aviation has a front door on the shelf. If you need his number let me know.
Dale Alston
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 7, 2012, at 7:28 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net (rcdettmer(at)charter.net)> wrote:
[quote]
Thanks Bill,
I may give you a call if we proceed.
Randy
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Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] ([email][mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com][/email]) On Behalf Of BillLeff1(at)aol.com (BillLeff1(at)aol.com)
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 4:15 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Pilot Side Door
I installed my front door on a field approval (hint - that becomes approved data). It fits better than any factory door I have seen. I John Towner can't help you let me know, I may l know where a couple of doors may be.
Bill Leff
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Phone
-----Original message-----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net (rcdettmer(at)charter.net)>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 19:07:45 GMT+00:00
Subject: RE: Pilot Side Door
Thanks JB – great information.
Randy
<image001.gif>
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 10:38 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea who owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of that and would be the best place to have it done, having installed several. The factory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC installations were not that great. I just delivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I could see daylight around much of it from the pilot seat. It also required too much effort to operate. All items that can probably be addressed, but should have be done right to begin with. Another source might be John Towner in KC. He owns 35 Commanders and every one has a front door. A used door will cost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at least equal that, maybe more. Finished, if done correctly, it will ad most of that back in the value of the airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost nothing as they leak water, cold air and noise. jb
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