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Watkinsdw

Joined: 15 Mar 2009
Posts: 138
Location: Deerfield Beach, FL

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:28 pm Post subject: Everglades flight

Hi, Gang,

I tried a very low tech video with my phone in one hand and the stick in the other yesterday. A little awkward, but it gives you a sense of what's in our back yard down here in S. Florida. It was a beautiful day for Kolbing!

Hope you enjoy it.

Dave Watkins

Mk III Classic



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfNTL_AQTQw

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Everglades flight

That brought back memories. I learned to fly out of Opa-Locka with Burnside-Ott, and all my flights were over the glades. 



Before I proposed to my wife, we had taken the Piper Colt up to Sebring to watch the races and on the way back, we were at around 3,000' over maybe that same road, and I reached down under my left leg and turned off the fuel, counted to ten, and turned off the master. (They were close to each other down under the left thigh of whoever was in the left seat.)



As the engine started to poop out, she looked up from reading her book and asked what was wrong. I pointed to the gauges all falling to the left and said we would just have to land on that road. She shrugged, carefully put the bookmark into the page and secured the book, pulled the shoulder harness as tight as it would go, said "OK," and sat quietly to watch the show.



At that point, I knew I had a keeper. 



But she was a bit P.O.'d at me when I turned the gas back on and flipped the switch and everything came back to normal...

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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:47 pm Post subject: Everglades flight

Great video can't wait to complete my move to FL. 



One question which is the most friendly airport for Kolbs with the cheapest enclosed hanger in South Florida. I am planing of moving to Fort Lauderdale so I can work out of KFXE, but anywhere I can store the Kolb folded or otherwise till I can finish it would be good. I am also thinking of selling it as I am too busy to work on it in a reasonable pace not sure what is the going selling price for a mostly completed M3X with a Suzuki 1.3 16 valves DBL OHC motor. The T hangers at KFXE are too small for the M3X to store with the Beech Sierra.



Ron (at) KFHU 

Heading to FLA soon.



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Hi, Gang,

I tried a very low tech video with my phone in one hand and the stick in the other yesterday. A little awkward, but it gives you a sense of what's in our back yard down here in S. Florida. It was a beautiful day for Kolbing!

Hope you enjoy it.

Dave Watkins

Mk III Classic



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfNTL_AQTQw





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Watkinsdw

Joined: 15 Mar 2009
Posts: 138
Location: Deerfield Beach, FL

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Everglades flight

Hi, Ron, 

I share space in a 1/2 t- hanger rented by my flying club at KPMP.

If it weren't an option, I'd consider Airglades at Clewiston, on the SW side of Lake Okeechobee. Good t- hangers w/ hydraulic doors go for $225/ month plus tax ($250 in all.)

They have a good paved runway plus a grass strip (my preference.)

Let me know when you arrive!

Dave

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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:48 pm Post subject: Everglades flight

Dave there is one draw back to Airglades at Clewiston and that being some time the sky divers think they rule the air when jumping.

 I live west of there and make it a point to stay clear of Airglades when flying in that area any more. I have been in there both by air and driven and they are not the friendliest persons when it comes to our type aircraft. MK 111 C/912 UL

 

  

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 Hi, Ron, 

 I share space in a 1/2 t- hanger rented by my flying club at KPMP.

 If it weren't an option, I'd consider Airglades at Clewiston, on the SW side of Lake Okeechobee. Good t- hangers w/ hydraulic doors go for $225/ month plus tax ($250 in all.)

 They have a good paved runway plus a grass strip (my preference.)

 Let me know when you arrive!

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Watkinsdw

Joined: 15 Mar 2009
Posts: 138
Location: Deerfield Beach, FL

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:58 am Post subject: Re: Everglades flight

Thanks for the additional info on Airglades.

My experience has been that if you listen to Unicom on the way in, you can work around the jumpers.

As far as the attitude about experimentals, I have heard the same thing. They seem to prefer general aviation. However, there are at least five hangers in the hands of experimentals- two drifters, a challenger and a Titan, plus a couple others.

Can't beat the rent around here if you prefer not to fold.

Finally, there are lots of emergency landing sites in that area, unlike my neck of the woods...

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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:17 am Post subject: Everglades flight

Lol; the thought occurred to me that the reason they maybe annoyed with experimentals is that someone may have rubbed someone the wrong away at some distant past time, and it started the we are better they they are complex. Jumpers and experimenters are close in personality traits, both go up not knowing the shape they will be in when they are back on the ground. Both groups in general like beer, so buying a beer or maybe Sarsaparilla if they are so inclined may just get them to decide its better to fly a Kolb, or maybe jump out of one than kibbitz slights. 



Using radios on the Unicom friq in many cases will stop the jumper pilot from getting ticked off and blaming the "experimental" for  delay$ in jump$.



Ron Mason

Still (at) KFHU



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Thanks for the additional info on Airglades.

My experience has been that if you listen to Unicom on the way in, you can work around the jumpers.

As far as the attitude about experimentals, I have heard the same thing. They seem to prefer general aviation. However, there are at least five hangers in the hands of experimentals- two drifters, a challenger and a Titan, plus a couple others.

Can't beat the rent around here if you prefer not to fold.

Finally, there are lots of emergency landing sites in that area, unlike my neck of the woods...





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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362912#362912



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koxxy

Joined: 19 Oct 2011
Posts: 28
Location: Beaverton, OR

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:02 pm Post subject: Everglades flight

My FBO here was quite frank about it: Certified GA customers tend to buy his avgas and use his A&P services, so he moves those customers to the top of his hangar waiting list.

 

For price comparison: a regular size, fairly new T-hangar would go for $250 to $275 / month, including AC power. 2500' narrow runway (but also no waiting for clearance!), 30 minutes from downtown Portland, OR.

 

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Ron  (at)  KFHU <captainron1(at)cox.net (captainron1(at)cox.net)> wrote:

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 Lol; the thought occurred to me that the reason they maybe annoyed with experimentals is that someone may have rubbed someone the wrong away at some distant past time, and it started the we are better they they are complex. Jumpers and experimenters are close in personality traits, both go up not knowing the shape they will be in when they are back on the ground. Both groups in general like beer, so buying a beer or maybe Sarsaparilla if they are so inclined may just get them to decide its better to fly a Kolb, or maybe jump out of one than kibbitz slights. 

  

 Using radios on the Unicom friq in many cases will stop the jumper pilot from getting ticked off and blaming the "experimental" for  delay$ in jump$.

 

 Ron Mason

 Still (at) KFHU

 

 

 

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 Thanks for the additional info on Airglades.

 My experience has been that if you listen to Unicom on the way in, you can work around the jumpers.

 As far as the attitude about experimentals, I have heard the same thing. They seem to prefer general aviation. However, there are at least five hangers in the hands of experimentals- two drifters, a challenger and a Titan, plus a couple others.

  Can't beat the rent around here if you prefer not to fold.

 Finally, there are lots of emergency landing sites in that area, unlike my neck of the woods...

 

 

 

 

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Dana

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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:12 pm Post subject: Everglades flight

At 03:58 PM 1/10/2012, Martin Koxxy wrote:

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 Can't blame him at all...



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Richard Pike

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Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Everglades flight

 	  koxxy wrote: 	
		  My FBO here was quite frank about it: Certified GA customers tend to buy his avgas and use his A&P services, so he moves those customers to the top of his hangar waiting list. <snip> 

	




That may be illegal. If there is discrimination based on who spends the most money, the FAA can pull any airport funds that they may be getting. The threat of that may balance the playing field. 

Check out FAR 5190.6, and especially this paragraph:

http://www.faa.gov/airports/resources/publications/orders/compliance_5190_6/media/5190_6b_chap9.pdf

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Kingsport, TN 3TN0

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koxxy

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Location: Beaverton, OR

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:23 pm Post subject: Everglades flight

Thanks, Richard - I had no idea this is regulated to this degree. I'm not sure if this particular airport receives federal funding, but it does not look like that would be a necessary requirement.

In my case, though, I will be dependent on the FBO's help and support, and I'd hate to jeopardize our otherwise good relationship by filing a complaint. Besides, I cannot afford the hangar rent anyway. But this is important information for others looking for a hangar.

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org (richard(at)bcchapel.org)> wrote:

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 koxxy wrote:

 > My FBO here was quite frank about it: Certified GA customers tend to buy his avgas and use his A&P services, so he moves those customers to the top of his hangar waiting list.

 >

 That may be illegal. If there is discrimination based on who spends the most money, the FAA can pull any airport funds that they may be getting. The threat of that may balance the playing field.

 Check out FAR 5190.6, and especially this paragraph:

 http://www.faa.gov/airports/resources/publications/orders/compliance_5190_6/media/5190_6b_chap9.pdf

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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:51 pm Post subject: Everglades flight

Yes  Airglades does and has gotten federal funding and is run but the country. They are in the process of working to get commerial freight haulers to use the airport as a hub.

 The Gyro club had a leased club house at the La Belle airport  which is also run by the county. They had they monthy fly-in there for several years.with good turn outs. The county would not renew the lease and tore the building down. I might ad the airport board are all older GA and look down on our type of aircraft. Five or six years ago they was close to 30 UL's and heavy UL's not including gryo's and now maybe a little more than a hand full between the two airports.  

  Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:21:14 -0800

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From: martinkoxxy(at)gmail.com

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Thanks, Richard - I had no idea this is regulated to this degree. I'm not sure if this particular airport receives federal funding, but it does not look like that would be a necessary requirement.

In my case, though, I will be dependent on the FBO's help and support, and I'd hate to jeopardize our otherwise good relationship by filing a complaint. Besides, I cannot afford the hangar rent anyway. But this is important information for others looking for a hangar.

 On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org (richard(at)bcchapel.org)> wrote:

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koxxy wrote:

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		   My FBO here was quite frank about it: Certified GA customers tend to buy his avgas and use his A&P services, so he moves those customers to the top of his hangar waiting list.

That may be illegal. If there is discrimination based on who spends the most money, the FAA can pull any airport funds that they may be getting. The threat of that may balance the playing field.

Check out FAR 5190.6, and especially this paragraph:

http://www.faa.gov/airports/resources/publications/orders/compliance_5190_6/media/5190_6b_chap9.pdf

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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:21 am Post subject: Everglades flight

Hi,

 mixing a/c and parachutists is possible but damn  dangerous.

  

 When I was gliding I sometimes trailed to a field  about 30 miles away where a/c, gliders and parachutists all mixed.   Everything seemed to be on a `see and be seen` basis. I never had a call on my  glider radio. There were no ultralights in those days so the a/c, spam cans of  various sorts, tended to do `proper` circuits. Gliders of course crept into the  field at all altitudes and from all directions and were not averse to trying to  scrape away if they found a tickle of `up` while they were on the approach. It  was not unusual to find a Cessna on downwind, a glider trying to thermal at  400feet on the crosswind leg and a couple of parachutist dropping into the  middle of the whole thing.

 All in all an accident waiting to happen. It never  did but it was a close call  on several occasions. Luckily the airfield  management sold out to another group and they brought some order to things  before there was a disaster.

 I think the next problem the field faced was  Madonna, who bought a house about 5 miles away and wanted to stop `all those  noisy little airplanes` disturbing her beauty sleep. She only occupied the place  about 2 days a year but she was quite happy to have the field closed for her  convenience. She failed but it was a fight.

  

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gotime242

Joined: 09 Jul 2010
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Location: West Palm Beach, FL

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:42 am Post subject: Re: Everglades flight

I kept my kolb at a hangar at Lantana airport in west palm beach. Hangar prices are insane in S Fl, but you might be able to get into where I kept mine with the wings folded for 200/month. Lantana is a nice uncontrolled field with three runways, where there are experimentals flying around often. 



Let me know if that interests you at all. 



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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject: Everglades flight

I talk to you when I am there



Thanks 

Ron

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I kept my kolb at a hangar at Lantana airport in west palm beach. Hangar prices are insane in S Fl, but you might be able to get into where I kept mine with the wings folded for 200/month. Lantana is a nice uncontrolled field with three runways, where there are experimentals flying around often. 



Let me know if that interests you at all. 



Dylanshine(at)gmail.com





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