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jchang10

Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 227

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:19 am Post subject: Rear Seat Heat Issue

I haven't seen this issue brought up much here. A common complaint brought up by rear seat passengers, is that all of the heat is at their feet and little to none above their waist. Has anyone addressed this in their plane? It is so odd that the front seats get almost all of the heat to be toasting, but the rear seat passengers are chilled.



A factor contributing to the cold air is that the baggage area cover has those corrugated bends, which allows cold air from the tailcone to move forward. In fact, it seems most of my air in the cabin flows aft to forward. I will try and seal those gaps up somehow eventually.



Another idea is to add some kind of directional control to the heat openings, such as the rotating air vents. I have to look into how to retrofit them in and whether or not it would be effective.



Any thoughts?



Jae

coop85(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:46 am Post subject: Rear Seat Heat Issue

Jae,

   I haven't really had much of a problem with heating the cabin, even in very cold weather.  A big difference may be that I installed the Flightline Interiors package which includes a lining on the back bulkhead which completely seals it from airflow.  You may want to work on sealing the gaps as you mentioned before working too hard on the other solutions.



One problem I have not yet dealt with is the leaking cold air through the front vents.  There have been a number of posting on how to solve this on the forum, I've just been too lazy to apply them.  A rag in the vent is an effective, but decidedly poor solution if you come across rain.



Marcus



do not archive



On Jan 15, 2012, at 2:19 PM, jchang10 wrote:






I haven't seen this issue brought up much here. A common complaint brought up by rear seat passengers, is that all of the heat is at their feet and little to none above their waist. Has anyone addressed this in their plane? It is so odd that the front seats get almost all of the heat to be toasting, but the rear seat passengers are chilled.



A factor contributing to the cold air is that the baggage area cover has those corrugated bends, which allows cold air from the tailcone to move forward. In fact, it seems most of my air in the cabin flows aft to forward. I will try and seal those gaps up somehow eventually.



Another idea is to add some kind of directional control to the heat openings, such as the rotating air vents. I have to look into how to retrofit them in and whether or not it would be effective.



Any thoughts?



Jae





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rv10flyer(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject: Rear Seat Heat Issue

I bought the aluminum vents from Steinair, I haven't noticed any leaks. What 

type of vents are you using?



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jchang10

Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 227

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue

Hmm, a few people mentioned once they added a backing to the baggage cover to seal those gaps, they have not had any complaints about rear seat heat.



I'll start looking for something to use for backing, and hope it solves my problem too.



Thanks again!

Jae

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gengrumpy(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:39 pm Post subject: Rear Seat Heat Issue

I got my fire retardant treated foam from Abby at Flightline Interiors.



On Jan 15, 2012, at 2:30 PM, jchang10 wrote:



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 Hmm, a few people mentioned once they added a backing to the baggage cover to seal those gaps, they have not had any complaints about rear seat heat.

 

 I'll start looking for something to use for backing, and hope it solves my problem too.

 

 Thanks again!

 Jae

 

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coop85(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:01 pm Post subject: Rear Seat Heat Issue

I used the standard plastic ones.  There's a fix reported to add some sealant to the barrel after putting wax on the valve portion.



Marcus

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On Jan 15, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Pascal wrote:






I bought the aluminum vents from Steinair, I haven't noticed any leaks. What type of vents are you using?



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:14 pm Post subject: Rear Seat Heat Issue

I had plastic.  They leaked something awful.  I now have aluminum.  They seal pretty well.

Big difference, but big difference in price too.

Tim

On Jan 15, 2012, at 3:57 PM, Marcus Cooper <coop85(at)verizon.net> wrote:



[quote] 

 

 I used the standard plastic ones.  There's a fix reported to add some sealant to the barrel after putting wax on the valve portion.

 

 Marcus

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 On Jan 15, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Pascal wrote:

 

 

 

 I bought the aluminum vents from Steinair, I haven't noticed any leaks. What type of vents are you using?

 

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rv10flyer(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:28 pm Post subject: Rear Seat Heat Issue

I mentioned the ones I bought from Steinair. At the time I was building 

these came recommended- I hesitated buying a couple as they are expensive, 

but they have been quite solid and never opened or leaked in flight.  I 

recommend these as being a good decision for those still needing vents. 

http://www.steinair.com/store.cfm?tlcatid=30



I do recall that there was a thread, maybe VAF that mentioned a while back 

that the plastic ones did have a problem but there was a solution, seems you 

found that.

Pascal



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dmaib(at)mac.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:32 pm Post subject: Rear Seat Heat Issue

I have these aluminum ones from Vans. They are expensive, but they work great with no leaking of air or water. They fit right on the Van's mounting with no modification. My Flightline Interiors rear bulkhead panel probably cuts down on some of the cold air coming out of the tail, but it is still pretty cold in the back seat on long flights in cold temps. The baggage area stays very cool, as well.



David Maib

40559

Flying



On Jan 15, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Tim Olson wrote:

[quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

I had plastic.  They leaked something awful.  I now have aluminum.  They seal pretty well.

Big difference, but big difference in price too.

Tim





On Jan 15, 2012, at 3:57 PM, Marcus Cooper <coop85(at)verizon.net (coop85(at)verizon.net)> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Marcus Cooper <coop85(at)verizon.net (coop85(at)verizon.net)>

I used the standard plastic ones.  There's a fix reported to add some sealant to the barrel after putting wax on the valve portion.

Marcus

do not archive

On Jan 15, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Pascal wrote:

--> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net (rv10flyer(at)verizon.net)>

I bought the aluminum vents from Steinair, I haven't noticed any leaks. What type of vents are you using?

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rv10flyer

Joined: 25 Aug 2009
Posts: 364

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue

I have the larger eyeball vents from Stein. They leak so little it is barely noticeable. I have sealed the corrugations. I have aileron pushrod boots from Abby. I have painted interior. 



I like it cool in the plane, so I wear a tshirt while the rest of my family dresses much warmer. We flew this morning at 20F on the ground. They all have small lightweight wool blankets and need them. If we went down in a remote area or if the need arose to escape through fire we are more prepared. 



Agree, there is more than enough heat, but not in the right areas. I may try to redirect it, but the family is fine dressing in warm cotton/wool clothing. When we land we needed the warm clothes anyway. I just pull mine out of the baggage area.



We will never be nice and toasty like in an airliner, a car or house because of the low insulation values. Airliners have double pane windows which help alot at -60C.

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jchang10

Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 227

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:46 am Post subject: Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue

Also, i should have mentioned that I do have the upgraded Van's Al vents. They seal out the air well, so i don't think they are the issue. Blankets are required equipment for back seat passengers any time the temps get into the 30F's or below.



Thanks again,

Jae

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#40533 RV-10
First flight 10/19/2011
Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011

jeff(at)westcottpress.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:33 am Post subject: Rear Seat Heat Issue

Hi Jae,



I've seen a mod where the rear seat heat is redirected to eyeball  

vents on top of the tunnel cover. I though I had a picture of it  

somewhere in my archives but haven't been able to find it.



Jeff Carpenter

40303

On Jan 16, 2012, at 9:46 AM, jchang10 wrote:



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 >



 Also, i should have mentioned that I do have the upgraded Van's Al  

 vents. They seal out the air well, so i don't think they are the  

 issue. Blankets are required equipment for back seat passengers any  

 time the temps get into the 30F's or below.



 Thanks again,

 Jae



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 #40533 RV-10

 First flight 10/19/2011

 Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011





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msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:43 pm Post subject: Rear Seat Heat Issue

I went the same route, there was no way my wife was going to let me get away with unheated seats in the great white north.  The company I went with when I  got them was http://www.heatedseatkits.com.  I picked mine up around 5 years ago and they are still in business so that’s a good sign.  I’m going to run mine off a fuse block that is for similar accessories (baggage  light, rear seat power) but is still cutoff by one of the battery contactors on my dual PC680’s. 

  

Michael 

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Judge

 Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 9:42 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Rear Seat Heat Issue 

    

I think the best solution to rear seat heat is seat heaters. You can get the elements from amazon for around $60 a seat and they only draw about 5 amps on the high setting, on the low setting about 1.5 amps. 

  

  

  

My wife, who is chronically cold, really loves them and pretty much only uses the low setting even when it's really cold. If you put the switch by the passenger you also let them take care of themselves which is always nice. 

  

  

  

Here is the kit I bought: 

  

  

  

http://www.amazon.com/Setting-Universal-Carbon-Fiber-Heater/dp/B004JOBWZ0/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1326728237&sr=8-6  

  

  

  

The install was really easy. 

  

  

  

If the 5 A current draw is an issue you cold probably ditch the high low switch and just wire them in series with your own switch. 

  

  

   

Bill 

  

N84WJ, RV-8, 695 hrs 

  

http://rv-8.blogspot.com/ 

 

  

  

  

  

  

  

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 Subject: Rear Seat Heat Issue

 From: "jchang10" <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com (jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com)>

 

 

 I haven't seen this issue brought up much here. A common complaint brought up by

 rear seat passengers, is that all of the heat is at their feet and little to

 none above their waist. Has anyone addressed this in their plane? It is so odd

 that the front seats get almost all of the heat to be toasting, but the rear

 seat passengers are chilled.

 

 A factor contributing to the cold air is that the baggage area cover has those

 corrugated bends, which allows cold air from the tailcone to move forward. In

 fact, it seems most of my air in the cabin flows aft to forward. I will try and

 seal those gaps up somehow eventually.

 

 Another idea is to add some kind of directional control to the heat openings, such

 as the rotating air vents. I have to look into how to retrofit them in and

 whether or not it would be effective.

 

 Any thoughts?

 

 Jae

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363873#363873

 

    	
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