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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:41 pm    Post subject: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

I spoke with them recently about an engine. It appears that neither Aerosport nor Barrett's build kit engines anymore. From what I gather, Lycoming has raised the kit prices to the point that there is no competitive margin for a house shop.
Aerosport will do a buildup of a 540 core, they just couldn't find one when I was looking. Barrett did find me one and I went with them.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:44 am    Post subject: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

Question is your Kit over five yrs and if so do you have the spinner kit? Looking for and old kit that would have the old front spinner support. Van has changed to their own and it does not fit the old spinner with the Hartzel Prop.
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I spoke with them recently about an engine.  It appears that neither Aerosport nor Barrett's build kit engines anymore.  From what I gather, Lycoming has raised the kit prices to the point that there is no competitive margin for a house shop.
Aerosport will do a buildup of a 540 core, they just couldn't find one when I was looking. Barrett did find me one and I went with them.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

I went through this discovery back during the summer as I was researching the various options in prep for OSH. That's when I noticed that 540's had dropped off the Mattituck order form. Further research uncovered the whole Lycoming kit issue that you're dealing with today. That's when going with a zero-time rebuilt became choice #1. Talked to Rhonda from Barrett at OSH and the rest is history- they are delivering my rebuilt C4B5 next Tuesday!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:27 am    Post subject: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

I don't think Mattituck is doing it either. I think Lycoming pulled it from them as well.

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I spoke with them recently about an engine. It appears that neither Aerosport nor Barrett's build kit engines anymore. From what I gather, Lycoming has raised the kit prices to the point that there is no competitive margin for a house shop.
Aerosport will do a buildup of a 540 core, they just couldn't find one when I was looking. Barrett did find me one and I went with them.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:03 am    Post subject: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

Yep Mattituck stopped building new TMX 540s last Spring due to the "new" business relationship that Lycoming developed. I had a discussion with Mahlon from Mattituck about this over on VAF. My personal opinion is this move by Lycoming was purely an attempt to eliminate competition for their Thunderbolt engines. YMMV....

In the end, a BPE rebuilt became the best option for me.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:56 am    Post subject: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

You will be so much happier to have a BPA rebuilt than a new engine. You'll
need to fly 40 versus 25 hours, but having that engine will run so much more
smoothly than a new Lycoming.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:02 am    Post subject: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

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You will be so much happier to have a BPA rebuilt than a new engine. You'll
need to fly 40 versus 25 hours, but having that engine will run so much more
smoothly than a new Lycoming.
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Whether the engine is new or overhauled has no bearing on the hours for Phase I testing. Only whether it is a certified configuration of engine and prop or not is what determines that.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:23 am    Post subject: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

You are correct, if one uses Lycoming parts it would be certified. I was
thinking about Eci cylinders as applied to me.
Thank you for that clarification.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:37 am    Post subject: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

ECI cylinders, if PMA'd would not change that situation. More likely stuff like electronic ignition or non-certified prop will cause the extra time. You can have a certified engine that has 99.9% PMA parts with only the sump with the data plate being OEM.

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You are correct, if one uses Lycoming parts it would be certified. I was thinking about Eci cylinders as applied to me.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:57 am    Post subject: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

In my case I'll get the 40 hr Phase I due to the addition of an AFP FI system which will make it a experimental BPE IO-540-C4B5 with a BPE serial number instead of a Lycoming IO-540.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:08 am    Post subject: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

Technically Todd, it's an IO-540X. The engine is rated at 2700 max
continuous rpm.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:16 am    Post subject: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

Which raises the interesting question of why Lycoming issued different
model numbers for the 250 hp Aztec C4B5 vs the 260 hp Comanche D4A5,
which besides governor setting are allegedly identical. I suppose the
feds against aviation made them do it.

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Technically Todd, it's an IO-540X. The engine is rated at 2700 max
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:27 am    Post subject: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

Most likely Kelly, it is airframe related and requested by the
manufacturer. You are correct though, they are identical engines. Except
for the OEM data plate.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:28 am    Post subject: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

It's possible the aircraft manufacturer wanted the hp restriction due to
airframe issues. Rather than design and build a completely different
engine, it was easier to restrict an engine already in production.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:15 am    Post subject: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

Correct...I have an aerosport rebuilt, Hartzell combo with a 25 hr phase 1

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> You will be so much happier to have a BPA rebuilt than a new engine. You'll
> need to fly 40 versus 25 hours, but having that engine will run so much more
> smoothly than a new Lycoming.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:47 pm    Post subject: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

Speaking of costs for an opposing 6 cylinder engines. I hold in my hand a receipt for a factory new 2008 "crate" Porsche Boxster S engine shipped over from Stuttgart Germany representing 280 Hp of Autobahn fun for... $13,643.81. No core charge required. I am still not sure why the huge price difference between a Lycoming and this type of engine. At some point after 2, 3 or 4 rebuilds we can't lay the difference on liability costs.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:35 am    Post subject: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

The difference is continuous power versus intermittent power. Operating auto engines at anything close to 100% power for any length of time will result in 'less than desirable' results.

It is kind of like buying a 5 HP vacuum cleaner or air compressor which plugs into a standard 120V 15A wall outlet, good advertising, but just not reality when we use physics. Well,that is not quite fair I am sure the Porsche engine will actually make 280HP for a period of time.

So the real difference is the heft the Lycoming is built with. Speaking of heft, aluminum is right around $1.00 per pound (raw material for casting), so that Porsche at ~$13k versus that Lycoming at ~$48k,buys you an extra 35,000 lbs of heft -or - wait....


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:49 am    Post subject: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

On 1/22/2012 8:35 AM, jkreidler wrote:
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The difference is continuous power versus intermittent power. Operating auto engines at anything close to 100% power for any length of time will result in 'less than desirable' results.


Hi Jason,
Do you have any proof of this, or is this merely a guess on your part?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:03 am    Post subject: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Reply with quote

Jason,
I understand the differences but do the operating parameters of one vs. the other naturally make one design 3+ times more costly? It seems like starting an engine and within 2 minutes hitting the freeway going 70, stop & go traffic Phoenix in July or Sheboygan Falls, WI in January would be harder on an engine than our gentle slow taxi and hold till the oil temp reaches 100 etc... The Porsche engine looks more complicated and sophisticated to me. And the volume argument is difficult to understand since every 6 years or so the engine is updated while the IO-540 seems basically static. One would think basic economics would come into play and over time a static design would come down in price with competitive pressure. Oh wait competition.. Never mind. I know I am not covering anything new here it's just that it looks like soon enough a base IO-540 will pierce the $50,000.00 mark (zeros added for emphasis) which will further reduce the number of people able to enjoy our great sport further damaging GA.

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