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Just doing a little light research on user fees.
Did you know . . . The original FAA Authorization Bill, H.R. 3539, was written and passed by a Republican House and a Republican Senate in 1996? Of course, it was signed by Clinton. This bill covered all authorization for 15 years. Hence, the fight last year and near shutdown of the FAA. A large portion of the section on user fees was found to be illegal.
Quote: "Section 273 of the Federal Aviation Administration Reauthorization Act (P.L. 104-264) authorized the collection of new user fees for foreign overflights. These fees were to be charged for air traffic control services provided to aircraft that neither take off from, nor land, in the United States
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:16 am Post subject: User fees |
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Congress (both House and Senate) was controlled by Democrats from 2006-2010 when the house again became Republican. The Senate is still controlled by Democrats.
Congressman John Mica, who is from the North Florida area where I am from is Chairman of the House Transportation & Infrastructure Committee and holds the FAA purse strings is adamantly opposed to user fees, but there is a lot of strong lobbyist out their pushing for these fees.
Claude Allen
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On Jan 22, 2012, at 1:56, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
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Just doing a little light research on user fees.
Did you know . . . The original FAA Authorization Bill, H.R. 3539, was written and passed by a Republican House and a Republican Senate in 1996? Of course, it was signed by Clinton. This bill covered all authorization for 15 years. Hence, the fight last year and near shutdown of the FAA. A large portion of the section on user fees was found to be illegal.
Quote: "Section 273 of the Federal Aviation Administration Reauthorization Act (P.L. 104-264) authorized the collection of new user fees for foreign overflights. These fees were to be charged for air traffic control services provided to aircraft that neither take off from, nor land, in the United States.
When the FAA set about writing the regulations that would establish this fee, it went beyond the intent of Congress by also proposing a general aviation (GA) overflight user fee. On May 19, 1997, the FAA began charging the fee for all foreign overflights, including those by GA aircraft, with the exception of Canada-to-Canada flights.
Foreign airlines sued the FAA, claiming the FAA acted unlawfully in employing an expedited procedure to implement these fees, and that they violated the anti-discrimination provisions of international aviation agreements. The court made its decision on January 30, 1998. The court decided that the fees themselves were not illegal, but that the value-oriented "Ramsey pricing" method they had used to determine the fees did violate the law. As a result of the court decision, the FAA suspended the fee program." End quote FAA authorization was reopened in Summer 2006,
Quote "For over a year, the Bush administration has claimed that the existing aviation tax revenues are falling short of the FAA's expenses, noting that ticket prices are not linked to their productivity costs. They also claim that the current tax-based funding system promotes an unstable operating environment for the FAA, making long-term financial planning impossible. Stating tight budget years make continued funding from the General Fund unlikely, the administration proposes to implement a user-fee-based system of revenue collections. The commercial airlines fully support this proposal because they believe it will result in a reduction in their operating expenses and permit them to be profitable. The airlines also believe that a fee-based system will give them more say in how the FAA's air traffic control system is run, permitting them to bully general aviation further away from their major operating airports and airspace areas.
User Fee time line
July 2006 — EAA launches its campaign to prevent user fees after the Bush Administration, FAA, and airline industry unveil their plans to impose user fees on general aviation.
June 2007 — U.S. Senate introduces S.B. 1300, “The Aviation Investment and Modernization Act of 2007,” a bill to authorize appropriations for the Federal Aviation Administration for fiscal years 2008 through 2011, to improve aviation safety and capacity, to modernize the air traffic control system, and for other purposes. The bill includes provisions for substantial hikes in fuel excise taxes and a $25-per-flight IFR user fee for turbine-powered general aviation aircraft.
June 2007 — U.S. House of Representatives introduces H.R. 2881: The FAA Reauthorization Act of 2007. The bill includes fuel tax increases and hikes in other existing fees, but no general aviation user fees.
July 2007 — At AirVenture Oshkosh 2007, top executives of the major general aviation organizations and several federal lawmakers meet in an open forum to discuss the impact of and voice their united oppositition to user fees.
September 2007 — The FAA Reauthorization Act of 2003 expires. Congress extends the Act’s revenue and spending provisions to June 30, 2008.
September 2007 — U.S. House of Representatives passes H.R.2881, with a 65% hike in aviation fuel taxes but no general aviation user fees.
September 2007 — S.B. 1300 stalls as Senate’s Finance Committee and Aviation Subcommittee argue over user fees.
April 2008 — Senate committees reach a compromise that drops the IFR user fee from the bill but retains a 65% increase in aviation jet fuel taxes on business-jet operators. The bill stalls again in committee over disagreements on other amendments unrelated to user fees or aviation.
June 2008 —With the FAA budget reauthorization bill stalled in the Senate and FAA funding about to expire, Congress votes to extend the existing FAA budget through the end of September 2008. The budget extension will keep the lights on at the agency; it leaves a great deal of long-term FAA programs and projects in limbo because no one knows what the final FAA budget bill will include.
June-July 2008 —The airline industry, the FAA, and the Bush administration continue to push for GA user fees and airline-dominated control of FAA revenues and spending. EAA and the general aviation community continue the fight against user fees.
February 2009 – U.S. House of Representatives introduces H.R. 915: The FAA Reauthorization Act of 2009. (The 111th session of Congress convened on January 6, 2009.) Extension granted through September 30, 2009.
Today’s government continues to work under a continuing resolution for FAA funding. Eventually, Congress will have to pass a new FAA budget bill. No one can safely predict what compromises the FAA budget bill will contain when it finally reaches president’s desk but EAA continues to work every day to prevent the introduction of new user fees and taxes on the general aviation community." End quote Fortunately, I've been unable to find any Senators or Congressmen in favor of future user fees.
Gary
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:44 am Post subject: User fees |
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On 1/22/2012 3:12 AM, allenc3(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
| Quote: | Congress (both House and Senate) was controlled by Democrats from
2006-2010 when the house again became Republican. The Senate is still
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I was trying to say that on the other mailing list but the
Censorship Troll didn't allow my message (but strangely did allow
several other politically oriented messages to go through, isn't that
just nice how that happens).
Don't be fooled into thinking this is a Republican versus
Democrat issue. We have both Democrats and Republicans that are in
favor and are against user fees. Both Bush and Obama are in favor of
user fees.
The simple reality is that there isn't a huge difference between
the two major parties these days. If we as a country want a real
change, we are going to have to start seriously considering candidates
with other, or no, party affiliation.
I think we can all agree that if user fees get a start, we are all
in for a big heap o' trouble. Many of us (likely including myself) will
have to stop flying due to the cost. Regardless of which political
party you cheer for at each election, let's band together to make sure
our voices are heard as a unanimous shout against any form of user fee.
-Dj
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:01 pm Post subject: User fees |
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I agree. It's lobbyists promoting the fees. I haven't identified any politician that promotes the fees. Now, if Citizens United gets overturned, so corporations like the airlines can't control politicians, maybe we'll have a chance.
From: "allenc3(at)bellsouth.net" <allenc3(at)bellsouth.net>
To: "teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: User fees
Congress (both House and Senate) was controlled by Democrats from 2006-2010 when the house again became Republican. The Senate is still controlled by Democrats.
Congressman John Mica, who is from the North Florida area where I am from is Chairman of the House Transportation & Infrastructure Committee and holds the FAA purse strings is adamantly opposed to user fees, but there is a lot of strong lobbyist out their pushing for these fees.
Claude Allen
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 22, 2012, at 1:56, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Just doing a little light research on user fees.
Did you know . . . The original FAA Authorization Bill, H.R. 3539, was written and passed by a Republican House and a Republican Senate in 1996? Of course, it was signed by Clinton. This bill covered all authorization for 15 years. Hence, the fight last year and near shutdown of the FAA. A large portion of the section on user fees was found to be illegal.
Quote: "Section 273 of the Federal Aviation Administration Reauthorization Act (P.L. 104-264) authorized the collection of new user fees for foreign overflights. These fees were to be charged for air traffic control services provided to aircraft that neither take off from, nor land, in the United States.
When the FAA set about writing the regulations that would establish this fee, it went beyond the intent of Congress by also proposing a general aviation (GA) overflight user fee. On May 19, 1997, the FAA began charging the fee for all foreign overflights, including those by GA aircraft, with the exception of Canada-to-Canada flights.
Foreign airlines sued the FAA, claiming the FAA acted unlawfully in employing an expedited procedure to implement these fees, and that they violated the anti-discrimination provisions of international aviation agreements. The court made its decision on January 30, 1998. The court decided that the fees themselves were not illegal, but that the value-oriented "Ramsey pricing" method they had used to determine the fees did violate the law. As a result of the court decision, the FAA suspended the fee program." End quote
FAA authorization was reopened in Summer 2006,
Quote "For over a year, the Bush administration has claimed that the existing aviation tax revenues are falling short of the FAA's expenses, noting that ticket prices are not linked to their productivity costs. They also claim that the current tax-based funding system promotes an unstable operating environment for the FAA, making long-term financial planning impossible. Stating tight budget years make continued funding from the General Fund unlikely, the administration proposes to implement a user-fee-based system of revenue collections. The commercial airlines fully support this proposal because they believe it will result in a reduction in their operating expenses and permit them to be profitable. The airlines also believe that a fee-based system will give them more say in how the FAA's air traffic control system is run, permitting them to bully general aviation further away from their major operating airports and airspace areas.
User Fee time line
July 2006 — EAA launches its campaign to prevent user fees after the Bush Administration, FAA, and airline industry unveil their plans to impose user fees on general aviation.
June 2007 — U.S. Senate introduces S.B. 1300, “The Aviation Investment and Modernization Act of 2007,” a bill to authorize appropriations for the Federal Aviation Administration for fiscal years 2008 through 2011, to improve aviation safety and capacity, to modernize the air traffic control system, and for other purposes. The bill includes provisions for substantial hikes in fuel excise taxes and a $25-per-flight IFR user fee for turbine-powered general aviation aircraft.
June 2007 — U.S. House of Representatives introduces H.R. 2881: The FAA Reauthorization Act of 2007. The bill includes fuel tax increases and hikes in other existing fees, but no general aviation user fees.
July 2007 — At AirVenture Oshkosh 2007, top executives of the major general aviation organizations and several federal lawmakers meet in an open forum to discuss the impact of and voice their united oppositition to user fees.
September 2007 — The FAA Reauthorization Act of 2003 expires. Congress extends the Act’s revenue and spending provisions to June 30, 2008.
September 2007 — U.S. House of Representatives passes H.R.2881, with a 65% hike in aviation fuel taxes but no general aviation user fees.
September 2007 — S.B. 1300 stalls as Senate’s Finance Committee and Aviation Subcommittee argue over user fees.
April 2008 — Senate committees reach a compromise that drops the IFR user fee from the bill but retains a 65% increase in aviation jet fuel taxes on business-jet operators. The bill stalls again in committee over disagreements on other amendments unrelated to user fees or aviation.
June 2008 —With the FAA budget reauthorization bill stalled in the Senate and FAA funding about to expire, Congress votes to extend the existing FAA budget through the end of September 2008. The budget extension will keep the lights on at the agency; it leaves a great deal of long-term FAA programs and projects in limbo because no one knows what the final FAA budget bill will include.
June-July 2008 —The airline industry, the FAA, and the Bush administration continue to push for GA user fees and airline-dominated control of FAA revenues and spending. EAA and the general aviation community continue the fight against user fees.
February 2009 – U.S. House of Representatives introduces H.R. 915: The FAA Reauthorization Act of 2009. (The 111th session of Congress convened on January 6, 2009.) Extension granted through September 30, 2009.
Today’s government continues to work under a continuing resolution for FAA funding. Eventually, Congress will have to pass a new FAA budget bill. No one can safely predict what compromises the FAA budget bill will contain when it finally reaches president’s desk but EAA continues to work every day to prevent the introduction of new user fees and taxes on the general aviation community." End quote
Fortunately, I've been unable to find any Senators or Congressmen in favor of future user fees.
Gary
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User fees have been used since 1971. It's lobbying from AOPA and EAA that's kept it in check. They need your check.
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On 1/22/2012 3:12 AM, allenc3(at)bellsouth.net (allenc3(at)bellsouth.net) wrote:
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I was trying to say that on the other mailing list but the Censorship Troll didn't allow my message (but strangely did allow several other politically oriented messages to go through, isn't that just nice how that happens).
Don't be fooled into thinking this is a Republican versus Democrat issue. We have both Democrats and Republicans that are in favor and are against user fees. Both Bush and Obama are in favor of user fees.
The simple reality is that there isn't a huge difference between the two major parties these days. If we as a country want a real change, we are going to have to start seriously considering candidates with other, or no, party affiliation.
I think we can all agree that if user fees get a start, we are all in for a big heap o' trouble. Many of us (likely including myself) will have to stop flying due to the cost. Regardless of which political party you cheer for at each election, let's band together to make sure our voices are heard as a unanimous shout agSearch & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, gt;
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