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jdm(at)wideworld.net
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 5:16 pm Post subject: Nose Repairs Needed

Question for the group.  I cracked the gel coat and..... er.... ah.... well, 

a little more on a nose up landing.  It repairable but I can't tell if it's 

polyester or epoxy.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thank you in advance!



John Murr



Original Firestar

John Bickham

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 170
Location: St. Francisville, LA

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: Nose Repairs Needed

Hey John M.



I can help a little on this.  Just went through the same thing.  I had a freind who helped me.  Some may know him from MV 2004 - Bruce Williams (Kitfox).  He loves to play with fiberglass.  He has built a couple of glass planes.  He basically worked on this while I worked on some other stuff.



This is what I ordered from Aircraft Spruce.  Not sure if you are talking about just a few small cracks or worse.  I deformed mine to where it lost it's original shape. If your job is smaller, may not need all this.  We had some material left over.  It wasn't cheap and it was a lot of labor (sanding).  Think I spent about $100.00 plus sandpaper.  New cone was over $400.



Need to epoxy prime, sand smooth to fill and blend and if necessary prime one more time before final finish coats.



09-00100	DACRON FABRC 1.8 OZ X 64" #611 (release fabric)



4533-60	S-GLASS-STYLE 4533 5.8 OZ. 60" (Bi-directional)



01-07355	VINYL ESTER 411-350PA 1G KIT 

If you need more help,  Bruce would be the one to really talk to.  Contact me off-list.



Check the before and after pictures to see what I was up against.  Hope this was helpful.  Got to remember to put thee attactments in backwards order!

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Thanks too much,

John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA

I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that I have the greatest respect for.

jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:24 am Post subject: Nose Repairs Needed

John, The rule is that you can put epoxy over polyester, but not the other

way around. Prep the area with 220 grit sandpaper tapering out 2" either

side of the crack, use peel ply over the patch so it won't lift the edges

and also to save a lot of time filling the weave for finish.



On 5/25/06, John Murr <jdm(at)wideworld.net> wrote:

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 Question for the group.  I cracked the gel coat and..... er.... ah....

 well,

 a little more on a nose up landing.  It repairable but I can't tell if

 it's

 polyester or epoxy.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thank you in advance=

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 Original Firestar





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Rick Girard

"Pining for a home on the Range"

planecrazzzy
Guest

Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:36 am Post subject: Re: Nose Repairs Needed

I notice that it had a  nose skid "hoop" on it....

 was it just too small ?  



 Mines been called a Monster but it works like it should... and until I'm satisfied that I don't need it any more....It'll stay on...



 The nose is off the ground 5" when the hoop touches...



Here's some pictures of it...

 http://wingsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=174



Gotta Fly...

Mike in MN

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jdm(at)wideworld.net
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: Nose Repairs Needed

I don't have a hoop. You must have me confused with someone else.  I

picture of my plane is on Frappr (South Central PA)



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jdm(at)wideworld.net
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: Nose Repairs Needed

thanks!

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jdm(at)wideworld.net
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: Nose Repairs Needed

Thanks!

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planecrazzzy
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: Nose Repairs Needed

I was looking at the "BEFORE" picture......It has a "hoop" but yet the nose was damaged.... ( Bickham's )



 Gotta Fly...

Mike / N381PM

wcm(at)tampabay.rr.com
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 4:19 am Post subject: Nose Repairs Needed

That's because his "hoop" wasn't the same diameter as a 55 gal. oil drum.



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 I was looking at the "BEFORE" picture......It has a "hoop" but yet the 

 nose was damaged.... ( Bickham's )



 Gotta Fly...

 Mike / N381PM



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John Bickham

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 170
Location: St. Francisville, LA

Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 5:53 am Post subject: Re: Nose Repairs Needed

Just in case there is some confusion.   I think we are talking about two different incidents.  The damage to my nose cone (before & after pics) was the result of an engine out, off-field landing in a hayfield.  Due to bad pilot decision making.  It dropped in from 8 -10 feet.  Not a simple nose over.



I was lucky nothing hurt me.  First thing I checked for while the dust was settling was if a broken piece of tubing was sticking in me somewhere.  No hoop would have minimized the damage in my case.  I concede that my situation was my own fault.  However, engine outs are part of the business.  I'm not sure I would want that long piece of tubing down there aimed at my nasal cavity - like a pungee stick.



Not being critical of the large hoop idea.  Think it may be good for taxi test.  Just sharing my perspective and limited bad experience.  To each his own.



Be safe.  It just takes a few small wrong decisions to put you in a terrible spot.  The first mistake is usually "nothing like that will ever happen to me".

planecrazzzy
Guest

Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 7:45 am Post subject: Re: Nose Repairs Needed

 	  wcm(at)tampabay.rr.com wrote: 	
		  That's because his "hoop" wasn't the same diameter as a 55 gal. oil drum.



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 My Hoop isn't that big , But THANKS for being a "SMART" Azz



  Gotta go now.....

planecrazzzy
Guest

Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Nose Repairs Needed

 	  John Bickham wrote: 	
		  Just in case there is some confusion.   I think we are talking about two different incidents.  The damage to my nose cone (before & after pics) was the result of an engine out, off-field landing in a hayfield.  Due to bad pilot decision making.  It dropped in from 8 -10 feet.  Not a simple nose over.



	


 Oouch !  I hope that was all that was damaged.... Well, it probly bent the

gear too...



 Gotta Fly...

Mike in MN



PS Yesterday was the first day that I could fly my plane without a coat...

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