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n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:32 am Post subject: Midwest Paint Shops

Looking for a paint shop for my RV-10, preferably in the Midwest.  I live in SE Michigan.



Not looking to spend top dollar for the award winning finish, but want a nice 3-color paint job for the money.



Thanks

-Mike Kraus

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wgreenley

Joined: 09 Jan 2010
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Location: Dowagiac, MI

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:46 am Post subject: Midwest Paint Shops

I have heard good things about the paint shop at Benton harbor (KBEH).

 Bill 

 Working on the wings

 Greenley On Jan 27, 2012 7:36 AM, "Michael Kraus" <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net (n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net)> wrote:[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net (n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net)>

 

 Looking for a paint shop for my RV-10, preferably in the Midwest.  I live in SE Michigan.

 

 Not looking to spend top dollar for the award winning finish, but want a nice 3-color paint job for the money.

 

 Thanks

 -Mike Kraus

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EdKranz

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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:18 am Post subject: Midwest Paint Shops

They might be on the higher end of things, but Wipaire at my home field of KSGS South Saint Paul, MN has a very good paint shop. 



If you were at OSH11, Wipaire had the tiger painted Kodiak on floats.

 

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I have heard good things about the paint shop at Benton harbor (KBEH).

 Bill 

 Working on the wings

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 Looking for a paint shop for my RV-10, preferably in the Midwest.  I live in SE Michigan.

 

 Not looking to spend top dollar for the award winning finish, but want a nice 3-color paint job for the money.

 

 Thanks

 -Mike Kraus

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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:49 am Post subject: Midwest Paint Shops

Wipaire at South St. Paul in Minnesota (KSGS) is a great shop. They  

are not the cheapest, but the work is very high quality. They were  

willing to give me space in their shop to disassemble the airplane  

for paint and then to re-assemble it after paint. I felt much better  

about doing it that way rather than having the paint shop remove and  

re-install the flight controls. I was concerned about having someone  

that had never worked on an RV-10 do that work, and I wanted to put  

things back together for my own peace of mind. Three and a half years  

later the paint still looks fantastic. (except for a few owner  

induced boo-boos  )



David Maib

40559

Flying



On Jan 27, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Michael Kraus wrote:



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 <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>



 Looking for a paint shop for my RV-10, preferably in the Midwest.   

 I live in SE Michigan.



 Not looking to spend top dollar for the award winning finish, but  

 want a nice 3-color paint job for the money.



 Thanks

 -Mike Kraus

 RV-10 Flying



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Ed Godfrey

Joined: 05 May 2009
Posts: 47

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:28 am Post subject: Midwest Paint Shops

Mike,

         I belong to a flying club at KDPA and we had one of our 172's     painted  at Flying Colors in Benton Harbor. Ken did a real nice job     and I am planning on taking my 10 there when I get ready for     painting. 

     

     Ed Godfrey

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I have heard good things about the paint shop at Benton harbor         (KBEH).

         Bill 

         Working on the wings

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           Looking for a paint shop for my RV-10, preferably in the           Midwest.  I live in SE Michigan.

           

           Not looking to spend top dollar for the award winning finish,           but want a nice 3-color paint job for the money.

           

           Thanks

           -Mike Kraus

           RV-10 Flying

           

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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Midwest Paint Shops

Prices vary greatly...$7,000-$13,000. You know which end of the scale I chose. It won't win awards and it is going to be hangared 99% of its life. My paint guy is in SE Ohio. 



David Maib's paint job looked excellent back in November 2011 for transition trng. I am like David...I'll take it apart and reassemble myself.

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bill.peyton

Joined: 19 Sep 2010
Posts: 198
Location: St. Louis, MO

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Midwest Paint Shops

There is a great paint shop in Quincy Il at UIN. I have seen his work and it is great. Price for RV-8 was 8K.

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Lew Gallagher

Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 402
Location: Greenville , SC

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:49 am Post subject: Midwest Paint Shops

Hey Bill,



On this topic, I've been watching the price of painting with great interest 

to see how badly I'm underpricing my labor.  I'm currently finishing up an 

RV-8A with yellow wings/tail feathers, silver metallic fuse, flat black 

anti-glare between windshield and cowl, red cowl spinner wheel pants -- and 

I'm doing ALL the fiberglass fitting fabrication prep (cowl, canopy,wheel 

pants,air box, etc.), as well as aluminum prep priming.



Are these prices being posted covering all that, or just supplying/applying 

the paint?



Later, - Lew



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bill.peyton

Joined: 19 Sep 2010
Posts: 198
Location: St. Louis, MO

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Midwest Paint Shops

Lew,

I think that the current rate for unpainted and more importantly, un-prepared RVs seems to be $7K at the low end and $15K at the high end.  I am planning on painting my self with the help of my buddy who owns a body shop and paint booth a few miles from my home.  I expect the paint to cost at least $2500 to $3500.

Bill

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carl.froehlich(at)verizon
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:27 am Post subject: Midwest Paint Shops

Total material cost for my 10 was $3700 (three color PPG base/clear coat

high end metallic).  As I'm an amateur painter, about $400 of that was

"redo" cash.  The $3700 included all paint accessories such as fine line

tape, buffing compounds and masking.  Painting was done in a homemade paint

booth in the hangar (2x4 frame and plastic with a couple of large exhaust

fans).   I'd guess you could do a traditional single stage paint job with a

couple of stripes for well under $2500, including primer.



Having someone to help who knows how to paint would have been wonderful.  I

painted my 8A myself and figured the 10 would be about the same.  I was

wrong.  The 10 is a lot harder.  Looking back, if I could find someone to do

a nice job for under $12K I'd jump at it.  I'd guess it would be hard

finding someone other than a 10 or Lancair builder who really knows how to

do the fiberglass prep work on a 10.



Carl

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Lew Gallagher

Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 402
Location: Greenville , SC

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:00 am Post subject: Midwest Paint Shops

Hey Guys,



Let me try a direct question:  How much would you expect to pay someone to 

take the raw fiberglass (canopy, cowl, doors, pants, fairings, wingtips), 

fit it (and I mean mount the canopy, install windows with Weldon/glass in 

edges, assemble/fit the doors,fit the cowl with hinge pins/sky bolts, etc., 

align the pants to air flow, etc.) seal all the pinholes, prime it;  prime 

all the aluminum exterior surfaces (wings, control surfaces, vert/horiz 

stab, fuse), final paint tri color(either Imron, acrylic enamel, or 

urethane -- no clear coat)?



I've done this now for an RV-10 and an RV-8A  for much less than $7K (all 

materials/paint included).



It takes about 230 hrs.  So far I've done it for friends and love the 

challenge of it, but now I'm getting referrals and have to re-think this.



Any educated guesses would be appreciated.  I have an idea what my time is 

worth, but was curious what the professionals would charge, or what folks 

would be willing to pay.



Later, - Lew

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barnettephillip(at)yahoo.
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:42 am Post subject: Midwest Paint Shops

Let me get in line before the price increase!!



Seriously, can't really imagine what that should commercially price out as!!!



Phil B



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On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:55 AM, <lewgall(at)charter.net> wrote:



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 Hey Guys,

 

 Let me try a direct question:  How much would you expect to pay someone to take the raw fiberglass (canopy, cowl, doors, pants, fairings, wingtips), fit it (and I mean mount the canopy, install windows with Weldon/glass in edges, assemble/fit the doors,fit the cowl with hinge pins/sky bolts, etc., align the pants to air flow, etc.) seal all the pinholes, prime it;  prime all the aluminum exterior surfaces (wings, control surfaces, vert/horiz stab, fuse), final paint tri color(either Imron, acrylic enamel, or urethane -- no clear coat)?

 

 I've done this now for an RV-10 and an RV-8A  for much less than $7K (all materials/paint included).

 

 It takes about 230 hrs.  So far I've done it for friends and love the challenge of it, but now I'm getting referrals and have to re-think this.

 

 Any educated guesses would be appreciated.  I have an idea what my time is worth, but was curious what the professionals would charge, or what folks would be willing to pay.

 

 Later, - Lew

carl.froehlich(at)verizon
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:43 am Post subject: Midwest Paint Shops

If you can do all this in 230 hours, you are truly a magician.  I know I

took at least twice that long.



Carl



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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:27 pm Post subject: Midwest Paint Shops

I imagine most professional shops would be charging $75 to $85  per  

hour at a minimum. You could be pushing $20K at that rate. That would  

not be out of line for doing all that work, IMHO.



David Maib

40559

Flying



On Feb 5, 2012, at 12:55 PM, lewgall(at)charter.net wrote:



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 Hey Guys,



 Let me try a direct question:  How much would you expect to pay  

 someone to take the raw fiberglass (canopy, cowl, doors, pants,  

 fairings, wingtips), fit it (and I mean mount the canopy, install  

 windows with Weldon/glass in edges, assemble/fit the doors,fit the  

 cowl with hinge pins/sky bolts, etc., align the pants to air flow,  

 etc.) seal all the pinholes, prime it;  prime all the aluminum  

 exterior surfaces (wings, control surfaces, vert/horiz stab, fuse),  

 final paint tri color(either Imron, acrylic enamel, or urethane --  

 no clear coat)?



 I've done this now for an RV-10 and an RV-8A  for much less than  

 $7K (all materials/paint included).



 It takes about 230 hrs.  So far I've done it for friends and love  

 the challenge of it, but now I'm getting referrals and have to re- 

 think this.



 Any educated guesses would be appreciated.  I have an idea what my  

 time is worth, but was curious what the professionals would charge,  

 or what folks would be willing to pay.



 Later, - Lew

Lew Gallagher

Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 402
Location: Greenville , SC

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:17 am Post subject: Midwest Paint Shops

Thanks for the input, guys.  Makes be even more proud of these beauties!



Oh yeah, the 230 hrs. is for the RV8A.  I decided I needed to have a more 

accurate estimate, so I've been keeping track.  The -10 with the doors, 

windows, more surface, etc. was more, but I didn't keep track of the hours 

on that one.



Later - Lew



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John Ackerman

Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Posts: 130
Location: Prescott, AZ

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:04 pm Post subject: Midwest Paint Shops

It seems to me that David's estimate is about right. I sure wish I had the skills to do it in that tiny amount of time (compared to what most of us spent to do all that).

However... ahem... do you really want to become a professional builder? Probably those of us who did 51% + of the work learn more from that set of tasks than most others - there's a reason they call it "fiberglass hell", but is sure is educational.

John Ackerman

40458

Flying

On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:21 PM, David Maib wrote:

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 I imagine most professional shops would be charging $75 to $85  per hour at a minimum. You could be pushing $20K at that rate. That would not be out of line for doing all that work, IMHO.

 David Maib

 40559

 Flying

 On Feb 5, 2012, at 12:55 PM, lewgall(at)charter.net wrote:

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> Hey Guys,

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> Let me try a direct question:  How much would you expect to pay someone to take the raw fiberglass (canopy, cowl, doors, pants, fairings, wingtips), fit it (and I mean mount the canopy, install windows with Weldon/glass in edges, assemble/fit the doors,fit the cowl with hinge pins/sky bolts, etc., align the pants to air flow, etc.) seal all the pinholes, prime it;  prime all the aluminum exterior surfaces (wings, control surfaces, vert/horiz stab, fuse), final paint tri color(either Imron, acrylic enamel, or urethane -- no clear coat)?

> 

> I've done this now for an RV-10 and an RV-8A  for much less than $7K (all materials/paint included).

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> It takes about 230 hrs.  So far I've done it for friends and love the challenge of it, but now I'm getting referrals and have to re-think this.

> 

> Any educated guesses would be appreciated.  I have an idea what my time is worth, but was curious what the professionals would charge, or what folks would be willing to pay.

> 

> Later, - Lew

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