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 Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:55 pm Post subject: Checking out in the mono/conventional gear Europa, Instructo |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> Guys,
We haven't breached the subject of instructors for Bi annual or initial checkouts in the Europa for some time and it would be great to have a list updated annually somewhere. So I'll do it for here in the States.
I have a list, but my instructors are getting far and few between, as they are getting older and letting their ratings drop do to health and liability concerns...
Background:
Insurance companies are getting tougher on all tail draggers, especially the mono wheel.
Richard Kundel informed me his insurance company requires 10 hours of dual in make and model (conventional gear) before solo and 5 hours additional solo before taking passengers and he has a tail wheel endorsement. Another client of mine is in need of a CFI Glider instructor for his bi annual and it must be in the Europa.
Because I own a trigear and have a little more flight experience, my insurance company doesn't care what I get my bi annual in. This is not the case for all and it is particularly painful for those selling their Europa and trying to find someone to check out the new owner for insurance purposes. But I lost my local CFI who I checked out in my plane, and I was really letting it hang out as the plane could not be used for checkouts for a fee. Very painful now.
Jerry Hope out of Greenville TN is the only CFI owner I know at the moment who is current. He is also checked out in my aircraft.
Any others?
Name, Location, Type CFI, (CFIG, CFII etc.), Does he have or own and will he use his personal Europa to train in.
Kindly Respond
Bud Yerly
Europa Tech Support
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ken carp
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Location: Knoxville, TN
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:18 pm Post subject: Checking out in the mono/conventional gear Europa, Instructo |
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Interesting problem. I am interested in selling my Europa but would like to have it updated by you first. Actually, I was hoping someone would buy it and get the work done. It needs new bungee and some of gas line replacement. Then there are the tail plane mods that I have not done. Then I was thinking the buyer might want to convert it to a tri gear. Maybe I should just chop it up for parts. Any ideas about these issues?
Ken carpenter
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On Feb 16, 2012, at 5:54 PM, "Bud Yerly" <budyerly(at)msn.com (budyerly(at)msn.com)> wrote:
[quote] <?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> Guys,
We haven't breached the subject of instructors for Bi annual or initial checkouts in the Europa for some time and it would be great to have a list updated annually somewhere. So I'll do it for here in the States.
I have a list, but my instructors are getting far and few between, as they are getting older and letting their ratings drop do to health and liability concerns...
Background:
Insurance companies are getting tougher on all tail draggers, especially the mono wheel.
Richard Kundel informed me his insurance company requires 10 hours of dual in make and model (conventional gear) before solo and 5 hours additional solo before taking passengers and he has a tail wheel endorsement. Another client of mine is in need of a CFI Glider instructor for his bi annual and it must be in the Europa.
Because I own a trigear and have a little more flight experience, my insurance company doesn't care what I get my bi annual in. This is not the case for all and it is particularly painful for those selling their Europa and trying to find someone to check out the new owner for insurance purposes. But I lost my local CFI who I checked out in my plane, and I was really letting it hang out as the plane could not be used for checkouts for a fee. Very painful now.
Jerry Hope out of Greenville TN is the only CFI owner I know at the moment who is current. He is also checked out in my aircraft.
Any others?
Name, Location, Type CFI, (CFIG, CFII etc.), Does he have or own and will he use his personal Europa to train in.
Kindly Respond
Bud Yerly
Europa Tech Support
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Remi Guerner
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:29 am Post subject: Re: Checking out in the mono/conventional gear Europa, Instr |
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Hi Bud,
As you know, there is a lot more hassle associated with flying here in Europe than in the US: higher fuel cost, landing fees, and a lot of other factors. But regarding insurance it is a lot easier and cheaper here, at least in France:
- we can get insurance for a Monowheel Europa without any requirement for dual nor prior experience in type. The premium for liability is the same as for any two seater. Number of seats and number of authorized pilots are the only parameters. For hull insurance, the declared value is the only factor.
- there is no formal BFR here but only a requirement to fly one hour with a CFI on board every two years. But I can fly this hour in a Cessna or any type of single engine plane.
If I want to do it in my monowheel, I can do it with any instructor who accept to seat in my airplane. He does not have to be experienced in the Monowheel.
I did not want to miss this occasion to point out that it is not always worse here!
Best regards
Remi Guerner
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budyerly(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:52 pm Post subject: Checking out in the mono/conventional gear Europa, Instructo |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> Ken, and others considering selling their older Europas.
A good flying airplane in need of a bit of maintenance is not worth cutting up. Sell it.
Bringing an older plane up to good maintenance standards (cosmetically older, but well maintained) is given below as an example: In the military we called this a major phase or IRAN. Inspect and Repair as Necessary.
This is the process I go through for any 10 year old Europa XS monowheel airplane (500-800 hours) to bring it up to good flying standards: This takes about 3-4 weeks to do working every day. It is a super annual.
Confirm the oil is purged properly and start and run the engine if possible and get a compression and oil check.
If starting the engine is suspect, pull the plugs and fog the cylinders to prevent corrosion while in for the major phase.
Then do the following:
I really dislike mono maintenance so, I would set the plane in my rack,
Pull the engine, clean it thoroughly, accomplish any service mods and ADs
Check the coolers and mountings for wear/leaks
Probably send the gearbox to Lockwood for a few hundred for a rebuild if never done.
Rebuild both carbs and replace the jets
IRAN the prop and bring it back up to new status.
Pull the firewall
Inspect the engine and gear frames, change the mounts and accomplish corrosion control.
Disassemble the gear, inspect and replace all bushings and repair as necessary
Go from nose to tail and change out all the rubber parts (hoses, ignition wires, rubber shock block, fuel lines, tires if applicable) if it hasn't been done within 5 years.
Flush the fuel tank and inspect.
Inspect the bearings in the wings and flap outrigger bushings and repair/replace.
Accomplish the mods needed and required:
Mods not done by you if I recall (its been 10 years), that you should have put in or at least checked since your build:
Mod 73
# Mandatory. Tailplane retention - applicable to all Europas.
Really just check yours as you had covers which glassed the TP bearings in pretty well. If not, it is a 4 hour job.
Mod 72
# Mandatory. Undercarriage mounting frame strengthening - the bulletin includes a mandatory inspection for all Europas delivered before end 2006, and a modification for some Europas depending on engine, engine mounting, and propeller.
With the engine pulled, and my big drill bit, it's a no brainer.
Mod 70
# Mandatory. Mass balance arm modification - applicable to all Europas delivered before February 2005
This is a good mod for the monowheel. It incorporates very good machined fittings in robust tubing. I do retain the cables and put light turnbuckles on them so the mass balance does not bang around.
Mod 66
# Gas strut repositioning. This Mod moves the gas strut anchor point on the door, reducing the stress on it.
I don’t recall if we moved your struts, and I'll bet the struts you have are pretty weak.
Mod 62
# Replacement of tailplane torque tube drive pins. This modification introduces 3/8” diameter pins in place of the existing ¼” pins; the bearing stress is reduced by 1/3rd, which will tolerate ground loads better than before. Only if the existing ones are loose. If they are tight SB15 should fix this.
I would not let my painter see the plane as he would want to sand off that Polyfiber Paint, but it is good paint and dings are fixable and I am sure it has held up well as you always hangared the plane. However, sanding down the paint to primer does allow you to find delaminations quite easily. Then sand with 320, prime and repaint. If the interior just needs a cleaning, fine.
Doing the above is really a pain in a lonely hangar in the middle of winter, but not so bad when you have the facilities we have here.
If I were buying a used aircraft, I would pull the panel and inspect and repair as necessary any avionics or electrical problems, (which I doubt you have) to be sure of proper operation.
Then I would go fly the PEE out of it as it would be good as new.
Conversion to a trigear with a speed kit is costly if done prior to a sale . It takes three weeks of labor to do this plus the parts. Then the plane needs repaint.
If you leave it to the new owner, he probably will risk not making sure the above inspections are done as he assumes he got the deal of the century and figures it hasn't broken yet, so why worry. Best to find a retiree with grown kids and no wife to sell it to in that case. Doing all the required maintenance (unless you have diligently kept it up yourself), alone in a hangar would take months. It would even take a month here. The mono is a nasty job unless you get it off the floor like I do it.
Selling it as is, is the smart thing to do. The EAA sales document is very thorough. A new owner buying, as is, looks to a bit of risk on any experimental and more so if he fails to inspect and repair before flight. The EAA sales contract is clear but if the new owner has small kids, talk to AOPA's lawyers. The kids can sue (or a lawyer for them) as their rights to their parents loss cannot be signed away by a parents contract, and we don't want that.
10 year old aircraft, poorly maintained with sketch documentation do not command a high sale price. If you dump it on the market, then we other owners get hurt. A seller, paying out of pocket for the above maintenance before the sale, may spend the equal of the selling price in labor. Further, mono wheels for new owners are uninsurable which drops the price further..
I can always sell a trigear that is built and flying, but a mono is tougher. It takes a special guy who understands the plane is not a tail dragger, it is a mono wheel. This is something you have mastered Ken. Frankly you always made landing the mono look easy.
I'll email you some other info this weekend on prices and options to give you a game plan. I don't envy your decision.
Jim Brown just went through this and his new owner is converting the plane to a trigear, even though his bird was an excellent looking, well maintained mono, ready to fly with annual, it is getting converted by the new owner.. Jim let it go knowing it would make the sale...
Regards,
Bud Yerly
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h&jeuropa
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Checking out in the mono/conventional gear Europa, Instr |
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We needed a CFI to help with operating our monowheel. Since Jim was pretty proficient on non-pavement runways, he was able to fly with an experienced tailwheel CFI we located, initially on grass and then on pavement. After the CFI acquired about 10 hours dual with Jim, we had him added to our insurance as an approved pilot at no additional charge. Then he was able to fly with Heather until she got the 10 hours dual with a CFI that insurance required.
So if an owner wants to sell a monowheel, and they are comfortable with it on non-pavement runways, they could find a local CFI and do as we did to help the new owner get proficient and satisify insurance experience requirements.
We insure with US Speciality and use SkySmith as our underwriter. We found that SkySmith was able to get us insurance when others couldn't.
The CFI we used is in Grand Rapids, MI. His name is Randy Passeno, cell 616-821-1980 and email randy.passeno(at)gmail.com. He works M-F full time so it is probably difficult to use him for Europa transition very far from MI.
The biggest help from Randy was working out speeds, power settings and attitudes for the Europa. Our results are somewhat different than those in the monowheel POH but they work well.
Jim & Heather
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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:31 am Post subject: Checking out in the mono/conventional gear Europa, Instructo |
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Hello Jim,
would you like to specify more your results - that
were interesting?
Raimo
OH-XRT
Finland
The biggest help from Randy was working out
speeds, power settings and attitudes for the
Europa. Our results are somewhat different than
those in the monowheel POH but they work well.
Jim & Heather
N241BW
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