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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 2:56 am Post subject: Balanced Field Length. Was: site

Good Morning Robert,  



Even for a free lunch?

 

Just as an observation, how important is a balanced field length? 

 

I certainly would prefer to have such available, but there are always  

Risk/Reward evaluations to be made. 

 

It has been a long time, but it is my recollection that the landing strip  at 

Camp David was no where near 2600 feet long when President Eisenhower was  

using it with an Aero Commander. 

 

Admittedly, they no longer fly fixed wing airplanes into or out of Camp  

David and that is probably due to the lack of a balanced field length, but it is  

interesting that a balanced field length was not felt to be required at the 

time  Ike (a licensed pilot) was Commander In Chief.

 

If the flight into an airport that does not provide a balanced field length  

avoids an automobile drive across fifty miles of mountain roads, which is the  

safest?

 

As Always, It All Depends!

 

Happy  Skies,



Old Bob

AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

Stearman  N3977A

Brookeridge Air Park LL22

Downers Grove, IL 60516

630  985-8503



 

In a message dated 5/26/2006 5:08:47 A.M. Central Standard Time,  

rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com writes:



Jim-



I zoomed in the google earth photo- and I saw a little sign  about half way

down the runway that reads:  "Free lunch for all  commander owners."



Too bad I can't get a balanced field length for the  685 on 2600' of turf....





Robert  Randazzo

n395v

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450

Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 3:26 am Post subject: Re: Balanced Field Length. Was: site

Crunk, who frequently flew a 520 and 560F in and out of a 2100' grass strip conveyed a really great philosophy to on of his neighbors who objected to his Twins at their little airpark.



His neighbors objection was that if Jim lost an engine before he could fly say 1500' Jim would end up in the pond at the end of the strip.



Jim smiled and said yes you are correct. I will be right there  in the pond with you when you lose your single engine at the same spot in the takeoff.



yes there are tradeoffs but we all used to and still do fly single engine planes knowing that if we lose one we are going off field.

Having said that I do not think 2600' of grass is a good idea in a loaded 685.

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Milt

BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 3:37 am Post subject: Balanced Field Length. Was: site

In a message dated 5/26/2006 6:27:35 A.M. Central Standard Time,  

n395v(at)hughes.net writes:



Having  said that I do not think 2600' of grass is a good idea in a loaded  

685.





Even for a free lunch?

 

Happy  Skies,



Old Bob

AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

Stearman  N3977A

Brookeridge Air Park LL22

Downers Grove, IL 60516

630  985-8503

john(at)vormbaum.com
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 7:57 am Post subject: Balanced Field Length. Was: site

Bob,



"There's no such thing as a free lunch!"



I think that would be especially true of a loaded 685 on a 2,600-ft. runway. 

Unless, of course, you're talking about the scavengers at the end of the 

runway. They might even have a free BBQ.



What Morris has always said about the 685 is, "if you can see the end of the 

runway, it's not long enough!"



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		   Having  said that I do not think 2600' of grass is a good idea in a loaded

 685.



 Even for a free lunch?



 Happy  Skies,



 Old Bob

n395v

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450

Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Balanced Field Length. Was: site

[quote=Even for a free lunch?[/quote]



Not even if lunch involved Nicole Kidman in a significant way.

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Milt

nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:39 am Post subject: Balanced Field Length. Was: site

Now, wait a cotton-pickin' minute there, Milt.



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BillLeff1(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:46 am Post subject: Balanced Field Length. Was: site

There was a guy who operated a 685 from an 1800 ft grass strip in  Wisconsin. 

I still have some pieces of it from the crash site! It worked  O)K until an 

engine quit!

 

Bill Leff

rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 10:54 am Post subject: Balanced Field Length. Was: site

O.B.



Well-  the word "FREE" is a very compelling one to the airline pilot side of

my personality...  UAL trained me well...



In fact- one could argue that the logical extension of their training would

be to have me fly for free- but I fell out of the nest before indoctrination

was completed.  (That's a discussion for another day.   hehehe )



I joked about the BFL- and in actuality I never used one in my personal

flying until this airplane.  The 685 is a marvelously capable airplane- but

I never lose sight of the fact that I have 435hp per side where the turbo

commander version of this same airframe has 700....  Out here in Nevada-

there isn't an airport to be found that doesn't have rising terrain in at

least 2 quadrants-  so I've upped the safety cushion on my flying to ensure

I never find myself without any options.  (Anyone ever notice that they

always point the longest runway at the highest terrain?  Why IS that????)



I routinely fly the SNJ-6 into Quincy, CA for breakfast- and while that

runway is *just* long enough for the 685- I shudder to think of my options

in the event of a failure...  Even in the SNJ I have to circle the valley a

few times to climb about the surrounding ridges...



I think all that airline training whipped the dare-devil right out of me.





Hows that stearman, Bob?  That's an airplane I've never flown but always

admired....



Robert Randazzo

 



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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 11:04 am Post subject: Balanced Field Length. Was: site

Free lunch AND Nicole?  Hmmmm...



<Scratches chin a moment and subtracts 20C from the field temp>



It might work.......



Rob

 



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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: Balanced Field Length. Was: site

Hey Bill!



I read that NTSB report when I first started looking at this airplane- and I

think that one officially fell into the category of:  "He did what????"



For those who haven't read it:



http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=CHI97LA011&rpt=fa



(The runway was 1400 feet......OUCH)



Rob 



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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 11:28 am Post subject: Balanced Field Length. Was: site

In a message dated 5/26/2006 1:55:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,  

rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com writes:



I think  all that airline training whipped the dare-devil right out of  me.





Hows that Stearman, Bob?  That's an airplane I've never  flown but always

admired....



Robert  Randazzo



Good Afternoon Robert,

 

UAL worked on me for thirty-eight years and didn't break my spirit at all! 

 

Stick in there and you will survive!

 

The Stearman is a blast! Stop in if you are ever over this way. You can try  

it out.

 

Do Not Archive

 

Happy  Skies,



Old Bob

AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

Stearman  N3977A

Brookeridge Air Park LL22

Downers Grove, IL 60516

630  985-8503

Jim Addington

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 62
Location: Denton, Texas

Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 11:50 am Post subject: Balanced Field Length. Was: site

I opened up 500' on the north end and 250' on the south end, but to get that

on the map would have required an other study so they told me to just put it

down as over run. It was never a problem for my 500A even with just 2600'. I

rented my plane to an FAA airport inspector that said he went in and out of

a 1000' strip in Alaska. I can get it down in a 1000' but getting off

usually takes 1200', don't how he did it unless he had a good wind.



Jim Addington

N444BD  500A



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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: Balanced Field Length. Was: site

It all depends on what he ate, I guess.

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Jim Addington

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 62
Location: Denton, Texas

Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 2:10 pm Post subject: Balanced Field Length. Was: site

Had not thought about that, maybe he was getting a bean boost.



Jim



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allen_reed2(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: Balanced Field Length. Was: site

Lucille made it in and out of our 1700 ft strip,with half a field to spare!=

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ood Morning Robert,  > > Even for a free lunch?>  > Just as an observation,=

 how important is a balanced field length? >  > I certainly would prefer to=

 have such available, but there are always  > Risk/Reward evaluations to be=

 made. >  > It has been a long time, but it is my recollection that the lan=

ding strip  at > Camp David was no where near 2600 feet long when President=

 Eisenhower was  > using it with an Aero Commander. >  > Admittedly, they n=

o longer fly fixed wing airplanes into or out of Camp  > David and that is =

probably due to the lack of a balanced field length, but it is  > interesti=

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rport that does not provide a balanced field length  > avoids an automobile=

 drive across fifty miles of mountain roads, which is the  > safest?>  > As=

 Always, It All Depends!>  > Happy  Skies,> > Old Bob> AKA> Bob Siegfried> =

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