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maca2790

Joined: 26 Jan 2011
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Location: Australia

Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject: Windscreen Gap

Hi Guys,

I'm getting ready to Bond the Windscreen in but I am worried about how to close a Gap that is between the Glare Shield and the Windscreen.



On the Starboard side it's worse than the Port side see the attached Photo.



cheers



John MacCallum

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n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
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Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:40 pm Post subject: Windscreen Gap

Get it down as tight as you can, then fill the gap with flox and epoxy slurry mixed to a peanut butter consistency then immediately start your Lay-up.



-Mike Kraus

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On Feb 29, 2012, at 10:10 PM, "maca2790" <vk2gcn(at)cirruscomms.com.au> wrote:



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 Hi Guys,

 I'm getting ready to Bond the Windscreen in but I am worried about how to close a Gap that is between the Glare Shield and the Windscreen.

 

 On the Starboard side it's worse than the Port side see the attached Photo.

 

 cheers

 

 John MacCallum

 41016

 VH-DUU

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:46 pm Post subject: Windscreen Gap

You may also wish to mix a black pigment into the resin so the fabric doesn't stand out so much while viewing from inside the plane.



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 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:38:28 -0500

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 Get it down as tight as you can, then fill the gap with flox and epoxy slurry mixed to a peanut butter consistency then immediately start your Lay-up.

 

 -Mike Kraus

 Sent from my iPhone

 

 On Feb 29, 2012, at 10:10 PM, "maca2790" <vk2gcn@cirruscomms.com.au> wrote:

 

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 > Hi Guys,

 > I'm getting ready to Bond the Windscreen in but I am worried about how to close a Gap that is between the Glare Shield and the Windscreen.

 > 

 > On the Starboard side it's worse than the Port side see the attached Photo.

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 > cheers

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 > John MacCallum

 > 41016

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n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:37 am Post subject: Windscreen Gap

Good point, I used black epoxy dye in all the resin used around all the windows, including the flox.

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On Feb 29, 2012, at 11:44 PM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com (indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com)> wrote:



[quote]   You may also wish to mix a black pigment into the resin so the fabric doesn't stand out so much while viewing from inside the plane.



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		   Subject: Re: Windscreen Gap

 From: n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net (n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net)

 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:38:28 -0500

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net (n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net)>

 

 Get it down as tight as you can, then fill the gap with flox and epoxy slurry mixed to a peanut butter consistency then immediately start your Lay-up.

 

 -Mike Kraus

 Sent from my iPhone

 

 On Feb 29, 2012, at 10:10 PM, "maca2790" <vk2gcn(at)cirruscomms.com.au (vk2gcn(at)cirruscomms.com.au)> wrote:

 

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 > Hi Guys,

 > I'm getting ready to Bond the Windscreen in but I am worried about how to close a Gap that is between the Glare Shield and the Windscreen.

 > 

 > On the Starboard side it's worse than the Port side see the attached Photo.

 > 

 > cheers

 > 

 > John MacCallum

 > 41016

 > VH-DUU

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 > Read this topic online here:

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 > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367577#367577

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 > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2035_176.jpg

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carl.froehlich(at)verizon
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:58 am Post subject: Windscreen Gap

On the narrow gap between the bottom of the windscreen and fuselage itself, fill with micro balloons.  This is not a structural issue.  Sand to make a nice fillet to overlay the cloth.

I used carbon fiber and standard West epoxy for the bottom windscreen fairing instead of fiberglass.  It looks nice from the inside and I find for applications such as this it is easier to work with.  Make sure you rough up the glass and fuselage bond areas with 30 or so grit paper.  I used   a bunch of cheap Harbor Freight black electrical tape to mask off the glass and fuselage.  A couple of layers and it provides a nice sanding shield for your finish micro balloon sanding.

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On Feb 29, 2012, at 11:44 PM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com (indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com)> wrote:

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		     You may also wish to mix a black pigment into the resin so the fabric doesn't stand out so much while viewing from inside the plane.

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		   Subject: Re: Windscreen Gap

 From: n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net (n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net)

 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:38:28 -0500

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 --> RV10-List message posted by: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net (n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net)>

 Get it down as tight as you can, then fill the gap with flox and epoxy slurry mixed to a peanut butter consistency then immediately start your Lay-up.

 -Mike Kraus

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 29, 2012, at 10:10 PM, "maca2790" <vk2gcn(at)cirruscomms.com.au (vk2gcn(at)cirruscomms.com.au)> wrote:

 > --> RV10-List message posted by: "maca2790" <vk2gcn(at)cirruscomms.com.au (vk2gcn(at)cirruscomms.com.au)>

 > 

 > Hi Guys,

 > I'm getting ready to Bond the Windscreen in but I am worried about how to close a Gap that is between the Glare Shield and the Windscreen.

 > 

 > On the Starboard side it's worse than the Port side see the attached Photo.

 > 

 > cheers

 > 

 > John MacCallum

 > 41016

 > VH-DUU

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 > Read this topic online here:

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 > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367577#367577

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 > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2035_176.jpg

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bill.peyton

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:40 am Post subject: Re: Windscreen Gap

I also started with a large gap such as you have.  I was able to narrow it down a bit by some additional sanding at the front.  I still ended up with an 1/8 on the right side.  I mixed up a peanut butter consistency of West 404 and 105 epoxy structural filler to fill the gap.  The issue you have with leaving the gap is when you finish the side for paint, you will end up with a bulge.  Be sure to paint the area directly under the window with whatever color you are going to end up with on the dash, it is easy to do prior and hard to do after.  If you are going to use textile on the dash, paint the color of the material around the edges where the plexi meets the metal.  You might also consider painting a mask on the INSIDE of the plexi around the entire perimeter.  This will hide any gaps or bad areas of glass seen from the inside.  Also be sure you add black dye to the epoxy.  You can obtain this from West Marine.

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johngoodman

Joined: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 530
Location: GA

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Windscreen Gap

I went with a metal fairing instead. Got it from M.L. Skunk Works. Here is his site:

http://www.mlblueskunk.com/Windscreen_Fairings.html



John

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jkreidler

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Location: Sheboygan Falls WI

Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:19 am Post subject: Re: Windscreen Gap

"I used carbon fiber and standard West epoxy for the bottom windscreen fairing instead of fiberglass."



I thought I read somewhere that you should not use carbon fiber cloth in direct contact with aluminum because it promotes corrosion.  Not sure if this is a tale or based in fact - but probably worth further research.

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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:32 am Post subject: Windscreen Gap

It is a fact.  The material has both advantages and clear disadvantages.  Fasteners are usually the first to fail.   

Search out the " Nobility" table of materials. 

John #40600. On Mar 2, 2012 5:26 AM, "jkreidler" <jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com (jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com)> wrote:[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: "jkreidler" <jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com (jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com)>

 

 "I used carbon fiber and standard West epoxy for the bottom windscreen fairing instead of fiberglass."

 

 I thought I read somewhere that you should not use carbon fiber cloth in direct contact with aluminum because it promotes corrosion.  Not sure if this is a tale or based in fact - but probably worth further research.

  

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 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI

 Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler

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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:40 am Post subject: Windscreen Gap

The different conductivity of aluminum vs. carbon is increased by using the aluminum as the aircraft voltage ground return path.  The carbon can retain moisture.  Adhesives of carbon to aluminum and carbon to other fibers set off the difference - Nobility Table.  One technique is a cloth boundary between the two dissimilar materials.  Then all the electron flow is through the fasteners.  Carbon, Kevlar, combinations bring a higher level of sophistication that "Good old E glass or S glass" against aluminum alclad.

  

Research the FAA AC pubs on Inspection Techniques for various forms of corrosion.  Research builders of plastic aircraft for the challenges such as the carbon cub, Lancair Evolution, Legacy or comparable builds.  All decisions carry risk.  Weigh them and fly safe.

  

John

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It is a fact.  The material has both advantages and clear disadvantages.  Fasteners are usually the first to fail.   

Search out the " Nobility" table of materials. 

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 "I used carbon fiber and standard West epoxy for the bottom windscreen fairing instead of fiberglass."

 

 I thought I read somewhere that you should not use carbon fiber cloth in direct contact with aluminum because it promotes corrosion.  Not sure if this is a tale or based in fact - but probably worth further research.

   

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 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI

 Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler

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rleffler

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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:26 pm Post subject: Windscreen Gap

True, but if the carbon is encased in epoxy, there shouldn't be an issue.



bob



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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:02 pm Post subject: Windscreen Gap

It's the same reason you should never use a pencil for marking aluminum.



Michael



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maca2790

Joined: 26 Jan 2011
Posts: 59
Location: Australia

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: Windscreen Gap

Thank you everyone for your replies.

I have applied two layers of Glass and then  built up the side of the Glare shield so that the gap is only around 1/8 ".



I will be using Sikaflex 295 UV and then the Glass layup as per the plans.



cheers



John MacCallum

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