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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:03 am    Post subject: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

I am thinking of getting a batch of aluminum fuel filler pipes made for the classic to replace the rubber trunk. Frank Mycroft sent me a drawing and has had the mod approved ( it may be with Ian as well).

a) does anyone else want one making, they would be cheaper in a batch
b) I can enquire locally but pointers as to where they could be made in the UK would be helpful (50mm x 1.5 pipe)

Regards Graeme


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:32 am    Post subject: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

Yes I have a copy of the Mod 13070 and it is available from me and on the
new web site. In LAA terms it will be a repeat Mod (£22.50) at present but
I can probably get it made a standard mod (then FOC) if there is enough
interest.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:55 am    Post subject: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

Hi Graeme

I will have one, it will probably save a bit of weight and my hose must be
getting towards the end of its life.

How many are you thinking of? There is a chap on our strip with a metal
working company who may be interested in a batch of work.

If you have a drawing and dimensions I can ask him.

Regards

Pete
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:16 am    Post subject: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

Hi Graeme.
I'm in for one if you are getting a batch made up.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:15 pm    Post subject: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

I am interested

Kevin Challis
G ODJG
On 4 Mar 2012, at 13:03, "graeme bird" <graeme(at)gdbmk.co.uk> wrote:

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I am thinking of getting a batch of aluminum fuel filler pipes made for the classic to replace the rubber trunk. Frank Mycroft sent me a drawing and has had the mod approved ( it may be with Ian as well).

a) does anyone else want one making, they would be cheaper in a batch
b) I can enquire locally but pointers as to where they could be made in the UK would be helpful (50mm x 1.5 pipe)

Regards Graeme

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:47 pm    Post subject: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

I started conversations with 3 potential manufactures a while back, confess I have let it slip, will look back into it this week and report back.
Cheers,
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:24 am    Post subject: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

Right, update;
I gave up on the three manufacturers I asked to bid on before, no wonder all the work is going to China !
Found someone [ a mate] to do the job, I need to know is how many are interested in this first batch.
I intend to keep a bunch in stock later, as ALL Classic Europa's are going to need one sooner or later, I have inspected 3 recently for Permit Renewal, all getting close to being too far gone.
Europa are not going to get any more rubber hoses made.
The pipes will be from 6023 [ heat treated to T3 condition after bending in the T 0 state] with rolled beads on each end. Tags on both ends to ground [ earth] to filler cap and ground circuit.
Will be a ''new'' Mod with the LAA as we can't use Franks Mod if there is the SLIGHTEST deviation.Frank used 6063 T6 [ YES T6 !] How did he bend that ? So different material spec needs a new Mod ! ?
Will be a complete Kit with all connecting hoses, clips, wire etc.....
I will have a firm price in a week or so, best guess at the moment for the pipe only is about £115 / £120, but that depends on the number ? Looking at the cost of the other items at the moment.
Best to ship [ especially to overseas] in multiples, as they will be big [ odd shape] can't be folded up like the rubber ones were ! ? [ mind, I expect Maureen would have tried !]
So, who wants one in about 3 to 4 weeks ?
I have had a pipe made from gash steel to trial fit, [ got 3 Europa's to check with, all slightly different !] if / when I get the go ahead from enough of you I will be ready to do sets for real in the alloy.
Looks like a win / win situation going to alloy, wont get the stink through the poor quality rubber, and it will be lighter. Also got a ''cunning plan'' to aid faster filling, will report back on that later.
So Guys, show me your money !
Nev



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:08 pm    Post subject: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

Hi nev, put me down for one.
Regards dave park. G-LDVO

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On 14 Mar 2012, at 19:35, "Neville Eyre" <neveyre(at)aol.co.uk (neveyre(at)aol.co.uk)> wrote:

[quote] Right, update;
I gave up on the three manufacturers I asked to bid on before, no wonder all the work is going to China !
Found someone [ a mate] to do the job, I need to know is how many are interested in this first batch.
I intend to keep a bunch in stock later, as ALL Classic Europa's are going to need one sooner or later, I have inspected 3 recently for Permit Renewal, all getting close to being too far gone.
Europa are not going to get any more rubber hoses made.
The pipes will be from 6023 [ heat treated to T3 condition after bending in the T 0 state] with rolled beads on each end. Tags on both ends to ground [ earth] to filler cap and ground circuit.
Will be a ''new'' Mod with the LAA as we can't use Franks Mod if there is the SLIGHTEST deviation.Frank used 6063 T6 [ YES  T6 !] How did he bend that ? So different material spec needs a new Mod ! ?
Will be a complete Kit with all connecting hoses, clips, wire etc.....
I will have a firm price in a week or so, best guess at the moment for the pipe only is about Â£115 / £120, but that depends on the number ? Looking at the cost of the other items at the moment.
Best to ship [ especially to overseas] in multiples, as they will be big [ odd shape] can't be folded up like the rubber ones were ! ? [ mind, I expect Maureen would have tried !]
So, who wants one in about 3 to 4 weeks ?
 I have had a pipe made from gash steel to trial fit, [ got 3 Europa's to check with, all slightly different !] if / when I get the go ahead from enough of you I will be ready to do sets for real in the alloy.
Looks like a win / win situation going to alloy, wont get the stink through the poor quality rubber, and it will be lighter. Also got a ''cunning plan'' to aid faster filling, will report back on that later.
So Guys, show me your money !
Nev 



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:35 pm    Post subject: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

Put me down for 1 kit
G ODJG

Kevin Challis

On 14 Mar 2012, at 19:20, Neville Eyre <neveyre(at)aol.co.uk (neveyre(at)aol.co.uk)> wrote:

[quote] Right, update;
I gave up on the three manufacturers I asked to bid on before, no wonder all the work is going to China !
Found someone [ a mate] to do the job, I need to know is how many are interested in this first batch.
I intend to keep a bunch in stock later, as ALL Classic Europa's are going to need one sooner or later, I have inspected 3 recently for Permit Renewal, all getting close to being too far gone.
Europa are not going to get any more rubber hoses made.
The pipes will be from 6023 [ heat treated to T3 condition after bending in the T 0 state] with rolled beads on each end. Tags on both ends to ground [ earth] to filler cap and ground circuit.
Will be a ''new'' Mod with the LAA as we can't use Franks Mod if there is the SLIGHTEST deviation.Frank used 6063 T6 [ YES T6 !] How did he bend that ? So different material spec needs a new Mod ! ?
Will be a complete Kit with all connecting hoses, clips, wire etc.....
I will have a firm price in a week or so, best guess at the moment for the pipe only is about £115 / £120, but that depends on the number ? Looking at the cost of the other items at the moment.
Best to ship [ especially to overseas] in multiples, as they will be big [ odd shape] can't be folded up like the rubber ones were ! ? [ mind, I expect Maureen would have tried !]
So, who wants one in about 3 to 4 weeks ?
I have had a pipe made from gash steel to trial fit, [ got 3 Europa's to check with, all slightly different !] if / when I get the go ahead from enough of you I will be ready to do sets for real in the alloy.
Looks like a win / win situation going to alloy, wont get the stink through the poor quality rubber, and it will be lighter. Also got a ''cunning plan'' to aid faster filling, will report back on that later.
So Guys, show me your money !
Nev



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

Obvioulsy, put me down for one.
Also Roger Mills and Ian Mansfield have expressed an interest

I did ask Europa if they wanted to handle them but no response as yet.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:08 pm    Post subject: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

Me too please Nev ...... Bob Fairall, kit 494. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 14 Mar 2012, at 19:32, "Neville Eyre" <neveyre(at)aol.co.uk (neveyre(at)aol.co.uk)> wrote:

[quote] Right, update;
I gave up on the three manufacturers I asked to bid on before, no wonder all the work is going to China !
Found someone [ a mate] to do the job, I need to know is how many are interested in this first batch.
I intend to keep a bunch in stock later, as ALL Classic Europa's are going to need one sooner or later, I have inspected 3 recently for Permit Renewal, all getting close to being too far gone.
Europa are not going to get any more rubber hoses made.
The pipes will be from 6023 [ heat treated to T3 condition after bending in the T 0 state] with rolled beads on each end. Tags on both ends to ground [ earth] to filler cap and ground circuit.
Will be a ''new'' Mod with the LAA as we can't use Franks Mod if there is the SLIGHTEST deviation.Frank used 6063 T6 [ YES  T6 !] How did he bend that ? So different material spec needs a new Mod ! ?
Will be a complete Kit with all connecting hoses, clips, wire etc.....
I will have a firm price in a week or so, best guess at the moment for the pipe only is about Â£115 / £120, but that depends on the number ? Looking at the cost of the other items at the moment.
Best to ship [ especially to overseas] in multiples, as they will be big [ odd shape] can't be folded up like the rubber ones were ! ? [ mind, I expect Maureen would have tried !]
So, who wants one in about 3 to 4 weeks ?
 I have had a pipe made from gash steel to trial fit, [ got 3 Europa's to check with, all slightly different !] if / when I get the go ahead from enough of you I will be ready to do sets for real in the alloy.
Looks like a win / win situation going to alloy, wont get the stink through the poor quality rubber, and it will be lighter. Also got a ''cunning plan'' to aid faster filling, will report back on that later.
So Guys, show me your money !
Nev 



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:30 pm    Post subject: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

Nev

Can you give dimensions for this please?

rgds
DJ


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From: Bob Fairall <Bob.Fairall(at)fairalls.co.uk>
To: "europa-list(at)matronics.com" <europa-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2012, 21:08
Subject: Re: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made


Me too please Nev ...... Bob Fairall, kit 494.

Sent from my iPhone

On 14 Mar 2012, at 19:32, "Neville Eyre" <neveyre(at)aol.co.uk (neveyre(at)aol.co.uk)> wrote:

[quote] Right, update;
I gave up on the three manufacturers I asked to bid on before, no wonder all the work is going to China !
Found someone [ a mate] to do the job, I need to know is how many are interested in this first batch.
I intend to keep a bunch in stock later, as ALL Classic Europa's are going to need one sooner or later, I have inspected 3 recently for Permit Renewal, all getting close to being too far gone.
Europa are not going to get any more rubber hoses made.
The pipes will be from 6023 [ heat treated to T3 condition after bending in the T 0 state] with rolled beads on each end. Tags on both ends to ground [ earth] to filler cap and ground circuit.
Will be a ''new'' Mod with the LAA as we can't use Franks Mod if there is the SLIGHTEST deviation.Frank used 6063 T6 [ YES T6 !] How did he bend that ? So different material spec needs a new Mod ! ?
Will be a complete Kit with all connecting hoses, clips, wire etc.....
I will have a firm price in a week or so, best guess at the moment for the pipe only is about £115 / £120, but that depends on the number ? Looking at the cost of the other items at the moment.
Best to ship [ especially to overseas] in multiples, as they will be big [ odd shape] can't be folded up like the rubber ones were ! ? [ mind, I expect Maureen would have tried !]
So, who wants one in about 3 to 4 weeks ?
I have had a pipe made from gash steel to trial fit, [ got 3 Europa's to check with, all slightly different !] if / when I get the go ahead from enough of you I will be ready to do sets for real in the alloy.
Looks like a win / win situation going to alloy, wont get the stink through the poor quality rubber, and it will be lighter. Also got a ''cunning plan'' to aid faster filling, will report back on that later.
So Guys, show me your money !
Nev



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:50 pm    Post subject: Re: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

Me too, please!
Hope it will reduce the gas smell.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:33 pm    Post subject: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

Dave
don't you have the XS cobra, you need Tim Ward's pipe
G
From: DAVID JOYCE <stranfaer(at)btinternet.com>
To: "europa-list(at)matronics.com" <europa-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2012, 22:28
Subject: Re: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made


Nev
 
Can you give dimensions for this please?

rgds
DJ

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From: Bob Fairall <Bob.Fairall(at)fairalls.co.uk>
To: "europa-list(at)matronics.com" <europa-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2012, 21:08
Subject: Re: Europa-List: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made


Me too please Nev ...... Bob Fairall, kit 494.

Sent from my iPhone

On 14 Mar 2012, at 19:32, "Neville Eyre" <neveyre(at)aol.co.uk (neveyre(at)aol.co.uk)> wrote:
[quote] Right, update;
I gave up on the three manufacturers I asked to bid on before, no wonder all the work is going to China !
Found someone [ a mate] to do the job, I need to know is how many are interested in this first batch.
I intend to keep a bunch in stock later, as ALL Classic Europa's are going to need one sooner or later, I have inspected 3 recently for Permit Renewal, all getting close to being too far gone.
Europa are not going to get any more rubber hoses made.
The pipes will be from 6023 [ heat treated to T3 condition after bending in the T 0 state] with rolled beads on each end. Tags on both ends to ground [ earth] to filler cap and ground circuit.
Will be a ''new'' Mod with the LAA as we can't use Franks Mod if there is the SLIGHTEST deviation.Frank used 6063 T6 [ YES T6 !] How did he bend that ? So different material spec needs a new Mod ! ?
Will be a complete Kit with all connecting hoses, clips, wire etc....
I will have a firm price in a week or so, best guess at the moment for the pipe only is about £115 / £120, but that depends on the number ? Looking at the cost of the other items at the moment.
Best to ship [ especially to overseas] in multiples, as they will be big [ odd shape] can't be folded up like the rubber ones were ! ? [ mind, I expect Maureen would have tried !]
So, who wants one in about 3 to 4 weeks ?
I have had a pipe made from gash steel to trial fit, [ got 3 Europa's to check with, all slightly different !] if / when I get the go ahead from enough of you I will be ready to do sets for real in the alloy.
Looks like a win / win situation going to alloy, wont get the stink through the poor quality rubber, and it will be lighter. Also got a ''cunning plan'' to aid faster filling, will report back on that later.
So Guys, show me your money !
Nev



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:02 am    Post subject: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

We would like one please Nev

Peter

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:08 am    Post subject: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

Nev, cancel last request mine is an xs?
Regards. Dave g-ldvo

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On 14 Mar 2012, at 20:17, "david park" <dpark748(at)hotmail.co.uk (dpark748(at)hotmail.co.uk)> wrote:

[quote]Hi nev, put me down for one.
Regards dave park. G-LDVO

Sent from my iPhone

On 14 Mar 2012, at 19:35, "Neville Eyre" <neveyre(at)aol.co.uk (neveyre(at)aol.co.uk)> wrote:

[quote] Right, update;
I gave up on the three manufacturers I asked to bid on before, no wonder all the work is going to China !
Found someone [ a mate] to do the job, I need to know is how many are interested in this first batch.
I intend to keep a bunch in stock later, as ALL Classic Europa's are going to need one sooner or later, I have inspected 3 recently for Permit Renewal, all getting close to being too far gone.
Europa are not going to get any more rubber hoses made.
The pipes will be from 6023 [ heat treated to T3 condition after bending in the T 0 state] with rolled beads on each end. Tags on both ends to ground [ earth] to filler cap and ground circuit.
Will be a ''new'' Mod with the LAA as we can't use Franks Mod if there is the SLIGHTEST deviation.Frank used 6063 T6 [ YES  T6 !] How did he bend that ? So different material spec needs a new Mod ! ?
Will be a complete Kit with all connecting hoses, clips, wire etc.....
I will have a firm price in a week or so, best guess at the moment for the pipe only is about Â£115 / £120, but that depends on the number ? Looking at the cost of the other items at the moment.
Best to ship [ especially to overseas] in multiples, as they will be big [ odd shape] can't be folded up like the rubber ones were ! ? [ mind, I expect Maureen would have tried !]
So, who wants one in about 3 to 4 weeks ?
 I have had a pipe made from gash steel to trial fit, [ got 3 Europa's to check with, all slightly different !] if / when I get the go ahead from enough of you I will be ready to do sets for real in the alloy.
Looks like a win / win situation going to alloy, wont get the stink through the poor quality rubber, and it will be lighter. Also got a ''cunning plan'' to aid faster filling, will report back on that later.
So Guys, show me your money !
Nev 



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:11 pm    Post subject: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

Neville,

Can you please put me down for one.

Many thanks

John Price

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From: Neville Eyre (neveyre(at)aol.co.uk)
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:20 PM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made


Right, update;
I gave up on the three manufacturers I asked to bid on before, no wonder all the work is going to China !
Found someone [ a mate] to do the job, I need to know is how many are interested in this first batch.
I intend to keep a bunch in stock later, as ALL Classic Europa's are going to need one sooner or later, I have inspected 3 recently for Permit Renewal, all getting close to being too far gone.
Europa are not going to get any more rubber hoses made.
The pipes will be from 6023 [ heat treated to T3 condition after bending in the T 0 state] with rolled beads on each end. Tags on both ends to ground [ earth] to filler cap and ground circuit.
Will be a ''new'' Mod with the LAA as we can't use Franks Mod if there is the SLIGHTEST deviation.Frank used 6063 T6 [ YES T6 !] How did he bend that ? So different material spec needs a new Mod ! ?
Will be a complete Kit with all connecting hoses, clips, wire etc.....
I will have a firm price in a week or so, best guess at the moment for the pipe only is about £115 / £120, but that depends on the number ? Looking at the cost of the other items at the moment.
Best to ship [ especially to overseas] in multiples, as they will be big [ odd shape] can't be folded up like the rubber ones were ! ? [ mind, I expect Maureen would have tried !]
So, who wants one in about 3 to 4 weeks ?
I have had a pipe made from gash steel to trial fit, [ got 3 Europa's to check with, all slightly different !] if / when I get the go ahead from enough of you I will be ready to do sets for real in the alloy.
Looks like a win / win situation going to alloy, wont get the stink through the poor quality rubber, and it will be lighter. Also got a ''cunning plan'' to aid faster filling, will report back on that later.
So Guys, show me your money !
Nev

-----Original Message-----
From: Neville Eyre <neveyre(at)aol.co.uk>
To: europa-list <europa-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 22:47
Subject: Re: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made

I started conversations with 3 potential manufactures a while back, confess I have let it slip, will look back into it this week and report back.
Cheers,
Nev.

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From: graeme bird <graeme(at)gdbmk.co.uk (graeme(at)gdbmk.co.uk)>
To: europa-list <europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)>
Sent: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:33
Subject: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made

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I am thinking of getting a batch of aluminum fuel filler pipes made for the
classic to replace the rubber trunk. Frank Mycroft sent me a drawing and has had
the mod approved ( it may be with Ian as well).

a) does anyone else want one making, they would be cheaper in a batch
b) I can enquire locally but pointers as to where they could be made in the UK
would be helpful (50mm x 1.5 pipe)

Regards Graeme

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Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
Just competed conversion to type
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:21 am    Post subject: Re: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

Hi, I would like one too.

I assume this is for the vertical pipe to the filler just ahead of the vents on top, rather than the XS-to-Classic retrofit arrangement, where the filler is on the side of the aircraft.

Can pay from UK account, and delivery to UK address.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:16 am    Post subject: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

Hi Neville.

Yes please, book one in for me. The kit sounds great just let me know how much and when.
I like the idea of getting rid of the smell of seeping fuel.
Is there a recommendation/current wisdom out there on the type of hose to use for the rest of the fuel system as mine is coming up for first replacement?

Let me know
Justin

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:24 am    Post subject: Re: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Reply with quote

Hi Neville,

Thanks for organising this and please count me in for a kit as well

Regards

Malcolm


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