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ChangDriver
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 Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:04 am Post subject: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim |
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NTSB Identification: CEN12LA227
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Wednesday, April 04, 2012 in Breckenridge, TX Aircraft: Grumman F8F-1, registration: N14HP Injuries: 1 Fatal.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. On April 4, 2012, at 1410 central daylight time, a Grumman model F8F-1 airplane, N14HP, was substantially damaged when it collided with terrain during a low-altitude aerobatic maneuver performed shortly after takeoff from Stephens County Airport (KBKD), Breckenridge, Texas. A postimpact fire ensued. The commercial pilot was fatally injured. The airplane was registered to and operated by Breckenridge Aviation Museum, under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91 without a flight plan. Day visual meteorological conditions prevailed for the personal flight that was originating at the time of the accident.
A witness to the accident reported that he was in his airplane preparing to depart when the accident airplane was taxiing toward runway
17. He told the accident pilot, via radio, that he wanted to watch the accident airplane takeoff ahead of him. The accident pilot reportedly announced over the radio that he was going to perform a Half Cuban Eight aerobatic maneuver after takeoff and then overfly the runway in the opposite direction. The witness stated that after liftoff the accident airplane climbed 100 to 200 feet in a shallow climb before it pitched-up into a near vertical climb. The airplane continued the climb in an inside loop before leveling out, inverted, about 500 feet above the runway heading the opposite direction of the takeoff. The witness then saw the airplane's wings roll suddenly before the airplane entered a near vertical descent. The witness described the final portion of the aerobatic maneuver as a split-S maneuver, or a descending half loop, from which the airplane was unable to recover before colliding with terrain on a southeasterly heading. The witness stated that there was an explosion when the airplane collided with terrain and that a postimpact fire ensued.
At 1415, the airport's automated surface observing system reported the following weather conditions: wind 280 degrees at 8 knots; clear skies; visibility 10 miles; temperature 21 degrees Celsius; dew point 07 degrees Celsius; altimeter setting 29.88 inches of mercury.
And this is what Howard usually performed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BURpV8FxE38
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:02 pm Post subject: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim |
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| Quote: | >14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Wednesday, April 04, 2012 in Breckenridge, TX Aircraft: Grumman F8F-1, registration: N14HP Injuries: 1 Fatal.
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| Quote: | >This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.
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Enough said.
Mark Bitterlich
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fish(at)aviation-tech.com
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:20 am Post subject: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim |
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Mark,
You seem to have lots of questions and even more answers (see your
emails below).
So I will answer one for you:
Question: on 4-6-12 you asked when we all lost our manners.
Answer: You seem to be the only one using personnel attacks on posters!
Evidence: 04-06-12 attack against me, and 04-05-12 attack against Brian.
(see below to remind you).
I am sure I can find more if I search through the board.
Statement: on 04-06-12 you said that more comments from you only make
the problem worse and you were out.
Response: Then today you post again! (can't seem to keep you mouth shut,
can you!)
On 04-05-12 you wrote "My common sense says to keep my mouth shut. My IQ
says to keep my mouth shut. However, the retired Marine in me insists I
reply to this person. Above all, I am a retired Marine."
I may be wrong, but I believe that the Marine Coprs teaches ethics,
which you seem to lack!
Perhaps, you need to return to the Corps and take more ethics classes if
you with to tell people you are an ex-marine (and diminish respect for
your Corps!)
Now with these comments, I am done answering your post (and since I have
ethics and common sense, you will not hear from me again on these matters).
Laterrrrrrr
John Fischer
On 4/5/2012 8:58 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E wrote:
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My common sense says to keep my mouth shut. My IQ says to keep my mouth shut. However, the retired Marine in me insists I reply to this person. Above all, I am a retired Marine. So here I go.
Here's a straw poll.
How many YAK List readers asked for Mr. Lloyds opinion on this pilots death?
How many Yak List readers needed another lecture from Mr. Lloyd on how smart he is, and how dumb everyone else is?
How many Yak List readers feel that his comments are inappropriate, uncaring, show no compassion for a dead pilots family or friends, are totally judgemental, and are based purely on his constant belief that anything that comes out of his mouth must be true?
Brian, take a hike. Again. Please. Your comments make me want to puke. I am a retired service member, I have spent 42 years in service to my country, and I am out here at Yuma Az. doing it again right now, and I do not think that you have the slightest clue of what it means to show compassion and honor to the service this man gave to YOUR country. To you, none of that matters.
Here's a big revelation for you. Sometimes the TRUTH does not matter. REALLY. Sometimes it is about shutting your mouth and showing honor and respect for others that deserve it. This is not saying that I admit to your interpretation of "The Truth". Very simply, I do not. This is me telling you that you need to shut your pie hole. You're a really great high school teacher. Let's leave it at that. Now please DROP THIS and move on to some other topic.
Mark Bitterlich
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On 4/6/2012 12:04 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
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Thanks John,
I am sure the family and friends of Mr. Pardue will be absolutely delighted at the lessons you have espoused at the cost of his death ... which you know absolutely nothing about.
Mark Bitterlich
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On 4/6/2012 12:38 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E wrote:
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And with that ... I'm out of this thread. More comments from me only worsen the problem. Manners: When did we all lose them?
Mark Bitterlich
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On 4/9/2012 9:47 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E wrote:
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>> 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Wednesday, April 04, 2012 in Breckenridge, TX Aircraft: Grumman F8F-1, registration: N14HP Injuries: 1 Fatal.
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>> This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.
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Enough said.
Mark Bitterlich
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czech6(at)mesanetworks.ne
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:42 am Post subject: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim |
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You boys done? He's dead, a lot of us that new him, miss him. Don't care who's fault. Friend is gone. Go off line and beat each other up.
I suggest the 3 or 4 of you try not to be an expert on everything. The rest of us are actually quite stupid.
After 28,000 hrs, flying fighters, flying airliners, I have a low altitude waver, doing all the things I probably shouldn't have, I must admit, I don't know a quarter of what you guys know.
You all are a wealth of knowledge from accident investigation to heart health problems.
There is nothing you folks can't discuss with authority and expertise.
I bow to those that have placed themselves on high!
Bill
On Apr 10, 2012, at 10:16 AM, John Fischer <fish(at)aviation-tech.com> wrote:
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Mark,
You seem to have lots of questions and even more answers (see your emails below).
So I will answer one for you:
Question: on 4-6-12 you asked when we all lost our manners.
Answer: You seem to be the only one using personnel attacks on posters!
Evidence: 04-06-12 attack against me, and 04-05-12 attack against Brian. (see below to remind you).
I am sure I can find more if I search through the board.
Statement: on 04-06-12 you said that more comments from you only make the problem worse and you were out.
Response: Then today you post again! (can't seem to keep you mouth shut, can you!)
On 04-05-12 you wrote "My common sense says to keep my mouth shut. My IQ says to keep my mouth shut. However, the retired Marine in me insists I reply to this person. Above all, I am a retired Marine."
I may be wrong, but I believe that the Marine Coprs teaches ethics, which you seem to lack!
Perhaps, you need to return to the Corps and take more ethics classes if you with to tell people you are an ex-marine (and diminish respect for your Corps!)
Now with these comments, I am done answering your post (and since I have ethics and common sense, you will not hear from me again on these matters).
Laterrrrrrr
John Fischer
On 4/5/2012 8:58 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:
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> My common sense says to keep my mouth shut. My IQ says to keep my mouth shut. However, the retired Marine in me insists I reply to this person. Above all, I am a retired Marine. So here I go.
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> Here's a straw poll.
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> How many YAK List readers asked for Mr. Lloyds opinion on this pilots death?
>
> How many Yak List readers needed another lecture from Mr. Lloyd on how smart he is, and how dumb everyone else is?
>
> How many Yak List readers feel that his comments are inappropriate, uncaring, show no compassion for a dead pilots family or friends, are totally judgemental, and are based purely on his constant belief that anything that comes out of his mouth must be true?
>
> Brian, take a hike. Again. Please. Your comments make me want to puke. I am a retired service member, I have spent 42 years in service to my country, and I am out here at Yuma Az. doing it again right now, and I do not think that you have the slightest clue of what it means to show compassion and honor to the service this man gave to YOUR country. To you, none of that matters.
>
> Here's a big revelation for you. Sometimes the TRUTH does not matter. REALLY. Sometimes it is about shutting your mouth and showing honor and respect for others that deserve it. This is not saying that I admit to your interpretation of "The Truth". Very simply, I do not. This is me telling you that you need to shut your pie hole. You're a really great high school teacher. Let's leave it at that. Now please DROP THIS and move on to some other topic.
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> Mark Bitterlich
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On 4/6/2012 12:04 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:
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> Thanks John,
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> I am sure the family and friends of Mr. Pardue will be absolutely delighted at the lessons you have espoused at the cost of his death ... which you know absolutely nothing about.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
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On 4/6/2012 12:38 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:
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> And with that ... I'm out of this thread. More comments from me only worsen the problem. Manners: When did we all lose them?
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> Mark Bitterlich
On 4/9/2012 9:47 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:
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>>> 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Wednesday, April 04, 2012 in Breckenridge, TX Aircraft: Grumman F8F-1, registration: N14HP Injuries: 1 Fatal.
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>>> This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.
>>>
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> Enough said.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:53 pm Post subject: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim |
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Glad you got this off your chest John.
After careful consideration, I do not believe your message is worth my
time responding to.
Mark Bitterlich
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czech6(at)mesanetworks.ne
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:15 pm Post subject: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim |
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That is a step in the right direction. Thank you
Bill
On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:03 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil> wrote:
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Glad you got this off your chest John.
After careful consideration, I do not believe your message is worth my
time responding to.
Mark Bitterlich
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim |
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Bill, I do not ascribe to your definition of the "right direction". I do not acknowledge your opinion to be the "right" or the "wrong" one. Excuse me, but who are you to tell me any darn thing? You're not. If you have some form of technical expertise, then please offer it. If you want to tell others how to go about flying and living their lives, then stop. Please. I will be glad to do likewise.
What I am saying is that I am sick and tired of people trying to tell others how to go about flying MY airplanes on the YAK LIST. None of you folks have the right to do so, and I am not looking for any of your opinions. Who are ANY of you to tell me how to go about flying MY airplane? I paid for it, none of you did, and good luck with trying to come up with a rationale that condones you telling me any darn thing. Freaking control addicts.
I did not ask for your opinion of safety. I did not ask for your opinion about flying. So shut the heck up.
Have I added my comments on things dealing with dead pilots, service members, etc.?
Yep. I have. In response to others that stuck their darn nose in where it does not belong.
SO STOP TELLING OTHER PEOPLE HOW YOU THINK THEY SHOULD FLY THEIR AIRPLANES!
If people on this list.. me, you everyone else, can stop telling other people how they should go about doing their businesses, this would be a much happier place.
Let's go back to HELPING each other and let's stay away from LECTURING each other. And no folks, the "Safety" aspect just does not wash.
Mark Bitterlich
p..s I could be wrong, but I don't freaking think so.
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From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Bill Geipel
Sent: Tue 4/10/2012 8:12 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim
That is a step in the right direction. Thank you
Bill
On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:03 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil> wrote:
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Glad you got this off your chest John.
After careful consideration, I do not believe your message is worth my
time responding to.
Mark Bitterlich
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czech6(at)mesanetworks.ne
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:19 am Post subject: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim |
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I rest my case. Nothing to add to the Yak list that anyone cares about. Is it breezy up there?
Bill
On Apr 10, 2012, at 10:28 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil> wrote:
[quote]
Bill, I do not ascribe to your definition of the "right direction". I do not acknowledge your opinion to be the "right" or the "wrong" one. Excuse me, but who are you to tell me any darn thing? You're not. If you have some form of technical expertise, then please offer it. If you want to tell others how to go about flying and living their lives, then stop. Please. I will be glad to do likewise.
What I am saying is that I am sick and tired of people trying to tell others how to go about flying MY airplanes on the YAK LIST. None of you folks have the right to do so, and I am not looking for any of your opinions. Who are ANY of you to tell me how to go about flying MY airplane? I paid for it, none of you did, and good luck with trying to come up with a rationale that condones you telling me any darn thing. Freaking control addicts.
I did not ask for your opinion of safety. I did not ask for your opinion about flying. So shut the heck up.
Have I added my comments on things dealing with dead pilots, service members, etc.?
Yep. I have. In response to others that stuck their darn nose in where it does not belong.
SO STOP TELLING OTHER PEOPLE HOW YOU THINK THEY SHOULD FLY THEIR AIRPLANES!
If people on this list.. me, you everyone else, can stop telling other people how they should go about doing their businesses, this would be a much happier place.
Let's go back to HELPING each other and let's stay away from LECTURING each other. And no folks, the "Safety" aspect just does not wash.
Mark Bitterlich
p..s I could be wrong, but I don't freaking think so.
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From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Bill Geipel
Sent: Tue 4/10/2012 8:12 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim
That is a step in the right direction. Thank you
Bill
On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:03 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil> wrote:
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> Glad you got this off your chest John.
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> After careful consideration, I do not believe your message is worth my
> time responding to.
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> Mark Bitterlich
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