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tigeryak18t
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 Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:34 am Post subject: Yak-List: |
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Not only what Richard says is true but it is reflected othe behavior of our European CAA.
I would add that not only the way we fly is I
Portent for all of us but also the way we maintain our plane also affect all the community.
An for the very same reasons that Richard is saying regarding the fact that they are not certificated and not known outside of Russia is a good reason to behave in all matters of our life with our planes. Our CAA have ears and eyes and they don't want to be involved in any risks.
So I will say that the way we behave affect a lot of people.
Didier Blouzard+33(0)6 2424 3672
Le 11 avr. 2012 à 15:53, "Richard Goode" <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> a écrit :
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Mark, I am sorry to say but you are wrong on this one. IF you were flying your Yak in total isolation in some strange country with no aviation control, then, you might be right, and in those circumstances it would not particularly matter how you fly, or, indeed, if you decided to destroy the aeroplane and kill yourself. However, you don’t, and what you do with your aeroplane inevitably affects all of us.
The first simple fact is is that Yaks do not have a great safety record, to an extent because of the way that they are flown; to an extent poor maintenance, but insurance is becoming increasingly difficult to obtain, and if Yaks generally have a poor safety record, then it could be impossible to insure, and in Europe that means impossible to fly – I suspect that would the same in the US.
Again you will be aware of certification and registration issues in Europe, and today there is no long-term solution to fly Yak-50 and 52 in Germany; France; Holland; Belgium, and other countries. These aircraft are not certificated, and the National Authorities do not want to go out of their way to create legal systems for them to be able to fly, although we are hopeful that this can be organised. BUT, if there is an excuse that these planes have a poor safety record, are generally crashing – in whatever part of the world – then that would be used as an excuse not to give them airworthiness paperwork.
The bottom line is that how we fly our aircraft does greatly affect other people.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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William Halverson
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:04 pm Post subject: Yak-List: |
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It occurs to me that both sides are right ... after all, we want to fly
like we want to as long as we can, right?
The question is how to do that, given we now live in a nation that is
one vote away from forcing us all to buy health care insurance. Recall
it's the same nation that gave the FAA the authority to regulate the
airways and airman privileges within states - something the framers
would have found .... extreme.
Marks' point harks back to the framers, too: hang together or hang
separately.
I recall hearing Denver died because his a/c had a weird tank switch in
it and while switching tanks he augered in. So damn sad. Could be the
Bearcat death may have some such explanation.
Until we get the facts, I'll vote for hanging together ... and after
that, too.
William Halverson
YAK55
On 4/11/2012 8:32 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
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You're absolutely right Doc (and Richard too). It would probably be a good idea to petition the FAA to prohibit Experimental Exhibition Catagory aircraft from participating in Aerobatic Competition. Also in Aerobatic Practice. Also from Formation Flying. Also in Airshow Flying. Also in any aerobatics below 1500 feet. Also in Air Racing. Safe operation of our aircraft should always be at the top of our list of actions we take before and during flight operations. These is no need to take these kinds of risks. People that take the kinds of risks mentioned above that get involved in any kind of accident might very well F#%K it up for me, and that is simply unacceptable.
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Richard,
We in the colonies really are damned lucky to have the experimental show category. Safe operation of our aircraft should always be at the top of our list of actions we take before and during our flight operations. We live and fly in a self cleaning oven that proves every so often that rules can be broken or bent but the laws of physics are laws that can never be broken. It does not matter how old or how experienced we are. If you break the laws of physics then be prepared to pay the ultimate price. If that happens, the self cleaning oven will have claimed another.
There are bold pilots and there are old pilots but there are no old bold pilots. Its' your ass bust it if you like but don't F#%EUR it up for me.
Doc
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On Apr 11, 2012, at 8:53 AM, "Richard Goode"<richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com> wrote:
Mark, I am sorry to say but you are wrong on this one. IF you were flying your Yak in total isolation in some strange country with no aviation control, then, you might be right, and in those circumstances it would not particularly matter how you fly, or, indeed, if you decided to destroy the aeroplane and kill yourself. However, you don't, and what you do with your aeroplane inevitably affects all of us.
The first simple fact is is that Yaks do not have a great safety record, to an extent because of the way that they are flown; to an extent poor maintenance, but insurance is becoming increasingly difficult to obtain, and if Yaks generally have a poor safety record, then it could be impossible to insure, and in Europe that means impossible to fly - I suspect that would the same in the US.
Again you will be aware of certification and registration issues in Europe, and today there is no long-term solution to fly Yak-50 and 52 in Germany; France; Holland; Belgium, and other countries. These aircraft are not certificated, and the National Authorities do not want to go out of their way to create legal systems for them to be able to fly, although we are hopeful that this can be organised. BUT, if there is an excuse that these planes have a poor safety record, are generally crashing - in whatever part of the world - then that would be used as an excuse not to give them airworthiness paperwork.
The bottom line is that how we fly our aircraft does greatly affect other people.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com<http://www.russianaeros.com/>
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