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carl.froehlich(at)verizon
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:33 pm Post subject: RV-10 transition training

All,

 

Looks like the FSDO will be out the first week or so in May to sign off the RV-10 project.  My insurance requires 2 hours of transition time in an RV-10 with a CFI.  While I know the Van’s guy in Dallas is available, I would prefer something closer to home (Fredericksburg, Virginia).

 

Any RV-10 CFI guy/gals out there on this side of the Mississippi willing to help me out?



Carl

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rv10flyer(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:57 pm Post subject: RV-10 transition training

My insurance gave me two options 1) Oregon 2) Texas both Vans signed off  “official RV-10 Cfi’s”. I didn’t care as I had my training in Texas, but make  sure the 2 hours is with any Cfi and not the signed off ones. I asked when I  called EAA for the quote-is was pretty clear it HAD to be with the signed off  cfi’s and not my neighbor who was a Cfi that owned a RV-10.

 Sounds like you have this covered however.

  

    

  From: Carl Froehlich (carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net) 

 Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:31 PM

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 Subject: RV-10 transition training

  



   

All, 

  

Looks like the  FSDO will be out the first week or so in May to sign off the RV-10  project.  My insurance requires 2 hours of transition time in an RV-10 with  a CFI.  While I know the Van’s guy in Dallas is available, I would prefer  something closer to home (Fredericksburg, Virginia). 

  

Any RV-10 CFI  guy/gals out there on this side of the Mississippi willing to help me  out? 



Carl

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rnewman(at)tcwtech.com
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: RV-10 transition training

Carl,     I did my transition training with Dave Maib  in New Smyrna Beach, FL.    It was a great experience and I  certainly would highly recommend Dave’s training services.

  

 Bob Newman

 N541RV  

 60 hrs.

  

    

  From: Carl Froehlich (carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net) 

 Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:31 PM

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All, 

  

Looks like the  FSDO will be out the first week or so in May to sign off the RV-10  project.  My insurance requires 2 hours of transition time in an RV-10 with  a CFI.  While I know the Van’s guy in Dallas is available, I would prefer  something closer to home (Fredericksburg, Virginia). 

  

Any RV-10 CFI  guy/gals out there on this side of the Mississippi willing to help me  out? 



Carl

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kearney

Joined: 20 Sep 2008
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:15 pm Post subject: RV-10 transition training

Carl

I spent a couple of days with David in early March. It was a great experience. 

Cheers

Les



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On 2012-04-14, at 5:26 PM, bob-tcw <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com (rnewman(at)tcwtech.com)> wrote:



[quote]        Carl,     I did my transition training with Dave Maib  in New Smyrna Beach, FL.    It was a great experience and I  certainly would highly recommend Dave’s training services.

  

 Bob Newman

 N541RV  

 60 hrs.

  

    

  From: Carl Froehlich (carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net) 

 Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:31 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com) ; Mid-AtlRVwing(at)yahoogroups.com (Mid-AtlRVwing(at)yahoogroups.com)  

 Subject: RV-10 transition training

  



   

All, 

  

Looks like the  FSDO will be out the first week or so in May to sign off the RV-10  project.  My insurance requires 2 hours of transition time in an RV-10 with  a CFI.  While I know the Van’s guy in Dallas is available, I would prefer  something closer to home (Fredericksburg, Virginia). 

  

Any RV-10 CFI  guy/gals out there on this side of the Mississippi willing to help me  out? 



Carl

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dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 454
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:22 am Post subject: Re: RV-10 transition training

Carl, send me an email or PM. I should be able to help with your Transition Training.

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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
New Smyrna Beach, FL

tsts4

Joined: 06 Aug 2007
Posts: 167
Location: Tampa, FL

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:18 am Post subject: Re: RV-10 transition training

Carl,

I seen to recall Mitch Lock, Van's East Coast rep in Maryland, was providing transition training.  It might be worth and e-mail or call to find out for sure:  mitchl(at)vansaircraft.com, 240.427.8847



Let me know the results because I'll be needing transition training soon myself and would prefer something local as well being just up I-95 from you.

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Todd Stovall
aka "Auburntsts" on EAA and VAF
RV-10 N728TT -- Flying

carl.froehlich(at)verizon
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:30 am Post subject: RV-10 transition training

Todd,



That was Plan A - using the Van's RV-10 at St. Mary's in Maryland (about

10min by air from my place - VA42).  Chip Lock told me this was no longer

available. 



Swing by Dogwood and you can look over the project if you like.



Carl



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rleffler

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 680

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:36 am Post subject: RV-10 transition training

There are several very qualified cfi's providing transition training.  I actually decided to change cfi when somebody reconfigured their panel to something very similar to mine.  For me, I decided the transition training would be more beneficial using the same efis and autopilot I have in my panel.  Just something you may want to consider besides geographic location. 

Bob

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On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:18 AM, "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net> wrote:






Carl,

I seen to recall Mitch Lock, Van's East Coast rep in Maryland, was providing transition training.  It might be worth and e-mail or call to find out for sure:  mitchl(at)vansaircraft.com, 240.427.8847



Let me know the results because I'll be needing transition training soon myself and would prefer something local as well being just up I-95 from you.



--------

Todd Stovall

728TT (reserved)

RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse

www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts





Read this topic online here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370840#370840

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Bob Leffler
N410BL - Phase I
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tsts4

Joined: 06 Aug 2007
Posts: 167
Location: Tampa, FL

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:23 am Post subject: Re: RV-10 transition training

Bob,

Good point on the equipment.  I'd like to transition with at least the same EFIS.  But first thing first, does anyone have a list of all the CFIs providing RV-10 transition training?  If we collectively can come up with one perhaps we can their avionics so pilots can have that info to help inform their choice.

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Todd Stovall
aka "Auburntsts" on EAA and VAF
RV-10 N728TT -- Flying

carl.froehlich(at)verizon
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:48 am Post subject: RV-10 transition training

Bob,



Do you have a list of these CFI?



Carl



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rleffler

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 680

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:43 pm Post subject: RV-10 transition training

I don't have list that is compiled.  I think most of them are pretty well know.   I am going with Alex D. Since he is the. My one that I am aware of that has an AFS panel.  David Maib and Pierre Smith are the only other east coast ones that I'm aware.   Also, be forewarned I know that several are considering stopping due insurance rates increasing this year for loda trainers. 



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On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> wrote:



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 Bob,

 

 Do you have a list of these CFI?

 

 Carl

 

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Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: RV-10 transition training

Sort of a follow up on Bob's post:



I'm a cfii, and I went to the trouble of getting a letter of deviation authority (LODA) from the local FSDO allowing me to give transition training in my RV-10. Jenny at NationAir thought that I'd be acceptable to insurance companies. However, I've been quoted an extra $2K, above and beyond what I pay now, for the insurance. I'm just not sure the market in the Bay area (I'm at KLVK, 30 miles east of SFO) can support that, financially, so I've held off on any advertising. I was able to add my next-door hangar pilot to my existing policy for a not-outrageous rate, so I will give him the instruction. I'd be curious to know how many pilots, in a typical year, seek out or need RV-10 type-specific training. As you are probably aware, CFI's are limited to that in their own airplanes. No flight reviews, no IPCs, etc.



As to this thread:  I wouldn't put too much weight on having the same EFIS. The thrust of this training is really basic VFR piloting. I'd say what's more important, can you land the plane if the EFIS totally quits? Which it may do on a first flight. In a few hours of dual you really want to concentrate on making flying the plane second nature, so that, when you do have your first flight, you can be familiar enough with the flying that you can also look at engine instruments, scan for traffic, etc. Once you're out of phase 1 then hire an instructor, if need be, to instruct you in your plane, using your EFIS, autopilot, GPS navigator, etc.

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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB

dlm34077(at)q.com
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:05 pm Post subject: RV-10 transition training

I trained 5 pilots at no charge except fuel; I was able to temporarily add them to my insurance as named while training at no additional expense. If you decide to try the LODA route your bucket can not be full (as a retiree, mine was); the ability to provide specific endorsements, for example, high performance or complex airplane (a normal result of transition training), may not be acceptable in the LODA. I concur with the EFIS comment; transition training is basic “fly the airplane” stuff, not button pushing.  

   

   

   

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Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
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Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: RV-10 transition training

"I was able to temporarily add them to my insurance as named while training at no additional expense"



Wow! That's what I've done too but it was not at no extra cost. Can you say who you use as agent and what insurance company?



You're right about training in an experimental aircraft which the cfi provides, for compensation or hire: The FAA will not allow anything other than "transition training". Even though you accomplish all the things that would normally be done in a Flight Review, or for a High Performance endorsement, my LODA explicitly forbids me from signing off on these things.



(PS As I'm sure you know, a complex endorsement requires a retractable, so it's not applicable to a -10 anyway).

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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB

rv10flyer

Joined: 25 Aug 2009
Posts: 364

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: RV-10 transition training

I did my training with David Maib and highly recommend him. I spent 5.8 hours learning to fly the plane. Well worth the money.

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Wayne G.

rleffler

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 680

Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:46 am Post subject: Re: RV-10 transition training

 	  Bob Turner wrote: 	
		  Sort of a follow up on Bob's post:



As to this thread:  I wouldn't put too much weight on having the same EFIS. The thrust of this training is really basic VFR piloting. I'd say what's more important, can you land the plane if the EFIS totally quits? Which it may do on a first flight. In a few hours of dual you really want to concentrate on making flying the plane second nature, so that, when you do have your first flight, you can be familiar enough with the flying that you can also look at engine instruments, scan for traffic, etc. Once you're out of phase 1 then hire an instructor, if need be, to instruct you in your plane, using your EFIS, autopilot, GPS navigator, etc. 	




I didn't initially respond to Bob's email because I had a different opinion.  I just finished my transition training with Alex D. this weekend.    I decided to fly wIth Alex because he was the only instructor with an AFS panel.



That first flight I was overwhelmed by both the aircraft and the panel.   I asked to have the panel set to the six pack screen so that. I could focus on looking out the window and flying the aircraft.    I was having difficulties quickly glancing and flying the information I was looking for.   That extra time spent find the information I was looking for distracted me and caused other issues.   Using the six pack, which was a familiar interface, solved my issues.



However, I did have several conversations on the ground going over menu and configuration options which I found very valuable.  Although I've flown in the right seat behind the same edits, it isn't the same when you are the pic.



I'll probably use t he six pack during the initial flights of phase I.



So I still think taking transition training the same EFIS is beneficial.  However, any change in user interface may cause distractions and a learning curve.   Learning a new user interface and an aircraft at the same time may be too much change to handle at one time.



I will say that training with Alex was very beneficial, as I'm sure the same is with the others providing transition training.   Alex is one of the best instructors that I ever taken training from.   I highly recommend Alex's training program.

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