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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 5:35 am Post subject: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED

All-

    While some HF tools are a good deal, I haven't received any =

recommendations for their welders. Considering the Lincoln my uncle is =

lending me is 35 years old and still works fine, looks like I'll go with =

either Lincoln or Miller.

    I'm very comfortable with a stick welder, but realize it's =

yesterday's technology. The more options, the more outlay.=20

To help me narrow my choices:

    1. What are the specific advantages to MIG and TIG, and how often =

can I expect to have to use them? If I only need the features once or =

twice, I'd be money ahead to contract those welds out instead of buying =

more welder than I need.

    2. Welding rods are expensive, and the last couple inches of each =

are unusable. It makes sense from this standpoint to have continuous =

feed, but what is the relative expense of a spool of flux wire?=20

    All input appreciated.

                                                                        =

Bill

                              =20

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barcusc(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 5:53 am Post subject: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED

First, I am not an expert at welding, just a back yard do-it- yourself guy 

with no training in welding. That said, I have a Stick Welder, Acetylene and 

a MIG. I don't have any experience with a TIG but I consider the MIG a great 

all around welder for a guy like me. I have worked on cars, built and 

repaired go carts, minibikes and I just finished building a utility trailer 

with no difficulty. I have welded thin mower decks and heavy wall tube with 

no difficulty.



Clyde Barcus

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skyguynca(at)skyguynca.co
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:01 am Post subject: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED

Me personally, I own a Miller Syncrowave Tig (which also does stick) and a

Miller Mig welder. I bought them several years ago at a place on the

internet at a really great deal and free shipping. Both units cost me around

$1800.00 and I have used both extensively since their purchase for welding

both aluminum and steel without a single problem. Infact I learned to weld

with these and all I can say about Miller is the price is right and the

quality is outstanding.



David Mikesell

23597 N. Hwy 99

Acampo, CA 95220

209-609-8774

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p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:17 am Post subject: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED

Bill,



If you only want to use a welder for a short time, it might be 

advisable to rent one.  That way you get first class equipment and 

don't even have to find a place to store it in your shop.



Paul

XL wings

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larry(at)macsmachine.com
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:53 am Post subject: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED

Bill,

I spent the last 8 years helping the Army decide the particulars you 

describe and can recommend

Lincoln over any other weld machine because it's the Rolls of welders, 

but it's _expensive_. The

Miller line is well represented and you could do as well with a used 

machine like the Synchrowave

which does TIG.  I don't think MIG has much going for it if you become 

proficient with stick and

TIG.  I still use OxyAcetylene for bending things and consider it 

indispensable and cheap.  The

personal weld machine need not be much above 125 to 150 amps, but a good 

name brand will

be worth the cost new or used for obtaining parts.  The TIG capability 

provided with the big three

names is pretty much a draw in performance as you're never much above 90 

amps.  MIG is

cheap, but the wire feeder, spools, drive mechanisms, timers, and the 

mix of changing parts like

these have become a pain for most who only use it to connect steel parts 

and doesn't provide

neat welds unless you really get down with it for a protracted period of 

time.  By that time, you'll

find the MIG welder you need spools for or the special drivers are no 

longer available as spares.



That's why I recommended the Miller EconoTIG or any equal from a good 

brand name supplier

and good used machines are always available at 50-60% of new.



You were looking for a welder as a lifetime keeper, you start here.  I 

think I've used my welder

about 300% more than I'd planned over the past 20-years.  I use 

Oxyacetylene at least twice

what I'd have guessed over the last 40-years. Don't go too cheap because 

it'll pay you back better

than the stock market.



Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com

Bill Naumuk wrote:



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All-

    While some HF tools are a good deal, I haven't received any =

recommendations for their welders. Considering the Lincoln my uncle is =

lending me is 35 years old and still works fine, looks like I'll go with =

either Lincoln or Miller.

    I'm very comfortable with a stick welder, but realize it's =

yesterday's technology. The more options, the more outlay.=20

To help me narrow my choices:

    1. What are the specific advantages to MIG and TIG, and how often =

can I expect to have to use them? If I only need the features once or =

twice, I'd be money ahead to contract those welds out instead of buying =

more welder than I need.

    2. Welding rods are expensive, and the last couple inches of each =

are unusable. It makes sense from this standpoint to have continuous =

feed, but what is the relative expense of a spool of flux wire?=20

    All input appreciated.

                                                                        =

Bill

                              =20

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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED

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nfivesl(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:28 pm Post subject: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED

Bill:

Perhaps my experience can be of use to you.  I read

all the emails about the MIG/TIG/Oxy-Acet welding and

didn't see anything about welding thin 4130 (airplane

parts).  I'm familiar with all three of these types of

welding and each has it's place.  For all of the

welded items I have built for my  601XL, the MIG I

have is useless.  I sold my stick welder long ago for

the same reason.  I was able to use it to tack a few

parts, but for all of the other welding on my airplane

I used oxy/acet.  TIG would have done the job but I

didn't want to spend the money at the time.(I will be

upgrading after this project).  You can do a very good

job on all the parts for a Zenith aircraft with

gas-welding.  

The problem with the low-end MIG welders is that they

don't have enough adjustment for thin 4130.  A low-end

arc-welder (stick) would be useless as well for the

same reason.  

If you want to build airplane parts, the gas-welder is

a great choice.  Buy a MECO midget torch kit from

tinmantech.com for a good start.  TIG is a good choice

but pricey.  I just didn't want you to buy a $300 MIG

(wire feed) welder or arc welder and expect to weld

your engine mount or flap controls.  

Today I welded up a flag pole holder in a few minutes

with my cheap MIG welder.  If you want to build flag

pole holders, then go to Lowes or Harbor Freight and

buy a MIG or stick welder.  

Have a good day,

Scott Laughlin

www.cooknwithgas.com

Welding Exhaust Manifolds (with gas)

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skyguynca(at)skyguynca.co
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject: MIG/TIG/WIRE FEED

I think most Tig's also are stick, I know mine is. Mig starts cold and ends

cold. Tig starts hot and ends hot so the welds are nicer, more control than

a Mig. It is really like gas welding, I found it pretty easy to pick up.



David Mikesell

23597 N. Hwy 99

Acampo, CA 95220

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