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trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 9:45 am Post subject: Building the tail cone

Question for those who used a quickbuild fuselage:  

   

  Did you build the tail cone structure using the quickbuild fuselage as a hanger (not to be mistaken with hangAr)?  

In other words, did you hang the tail cone structure on the fuselage when building it, or did you build it separately?  

   

Regards  

Carlos  

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philperry9

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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 9:52 am Post subject: Building the tail cone

On Thursday, May 17, 2012, Carlos Trigo  wrote:

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Question for those who used a quickbuild fuselage:  

It is done separately and attached after the fuselage is built.  

 



	




 

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  Did you build the tail cone structure using the quickbuild fuselage as a hanger (not to be mistaken with hangAr)?  

In other words, did you hang the tail cone structure on the fuselage when building it, or did you build it separately?  

   

Regards  

Carlos  

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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 10:03 am Post subject: Building the tail cone

It is built separately. The plans tell you when to attach the tail cone to the fuselage.



David Maib

40559

RV-10 Transition Trainer



On May 17, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote:

Question for those who used a quickbuild fuselage:

 

  Did you build the tail cone structure using the quickbuild fuselage as a hanger (not to be mistaken with hangAr)?

In other words, did you hang the tail cone structure on the fuselage when building it, or did you build it separately?

 

Regards

Carlos



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Bob Turner

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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: Building the tail cone

Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed before I ever had the QB fuselage.

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Kelly McMullen

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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:27 pm Post subject: Building the tail cone

About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 weeks. 8

months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the

"new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs.



On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> wrote:

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 Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed before I ever had the QB fuselage.



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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 3:46 am Post subject: Building the tail cone

If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is Wally at Synergy Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second to none and it was the same price as Van's. 

Shannon

On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> wrote:

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 About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 weeks. 8

 months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the

 "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs.

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trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 4:16 am Post subject: Building the tail cone

Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.  

   

What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.  

   

If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?  

   

Carlos  

   

   

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EdKranz

Joined: 29 Dec 2010
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Location: Hastings, MN

Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 4:48 am Post subject: Building the tail cone

I'm just finishing up my tail cone, and I think having it attached to the fuse would just make it almost impossible to get things installed. Once you put the longerons and top skin on, it's fully rigid and doesn't need a jig. 



I built mine on a pair of 2x3's screwed to the top of my bench, overhanging about 2.5 feet. I think I got this idea from Tim Olsen. Worked awesome! This both supported everything well and kept a gap between the bench top and the skins so the clecos wouldn't have interference.

 



I am keeping video of my entire build, so you can see exactly how it goes together here (and in later videos as well):

http://www.edandcolleen.com/tail-cone-taking-shape/ 

 



I have been able to do all construction on the tail cone single handed up to the point I'm at now.



On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:

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Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.  

   

What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.  

   

If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?  

   

Carlos  

   



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carl.froehlich(at)verizon
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 5:18 am Post subject: Building the tail cone

It sits on a work bench.  Amazingly the CNC pre-punch system is so good that if you follow the instructions the tail cone mates perfectly with the fuselage.

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo

Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 8:15 AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Re: Building the tail cone

Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.

What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.

If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?

Carlos

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mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 5:21 am Post subject: Building the tail cone

Hanging it would only make it more difficult.  You'll want to build the tailcne on a flat bench.  No jig.  

What worked well for me was large back riveting plate.  Mine was about 24" x 12" x 1/4" (guesstimate) from a local scap yard.  This was laid on the bench and scrap 1/4" ply from the crate was used to fit around the plate to provide a folate surface for the cone to lie on.

With that setup, you can  backrivet  80% or more of rivets flat on the bench.  That makes high quality results very easy.  A short and long backrivet set is needed.

For many of the rivets that can't be backriveted flat on the bench, you can use a back rivet bucking bar (larger mushroom shaped) and bang the rivets with the backrivet set from inside the cone.  Again, most of this is easily done laying on a flat bench.  

I considered most riveting that required crawling in the cone after it was hung the result of planning oversights.  Everything done on the bench was done single handed.

Bill Watson



Sent from my iPad



On May 18, 2012, at 8:14 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:



[quote]               

Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.  

   

What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.  

   

If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?  

   

Carlos  

   

   

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mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 5:49 am Post subject: Building the tail cone

I should add that for the clecoing and match drilling you need saw horses or something to raise cone off the bench to clear the clecos.  It becomes pretty obvious as you proceed.

Yes, the accuracy of the CNC stuff is simply amazing. It just all fits despite your best efforts.

Bill



Sent from my iPad



On May 18, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Bill Watson <mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:



[quote]Hanging it would only make it more difficult.  You'll want to build the tailcne on a flat bench.  No jig.  

What worked well for me was large back riveting plate.  Mine was about 24" x 12" x 1/4" (guesstimate) from a local scap yard.  This was laid on the bench and scrap 1/4" ply from the crate was used to fit around the plate to provide a folate surface for the cone to lie on.

With that setup, you can  backrivet  80% or more of rivets flat on the bench.  That makes high quality results very easy.  A short and long backrivet set is needed.

For many of the rivets that can't be backriveted flat on the bench, you can use a back rivet bucking bar (larger mushroom shaped) and bang the rivets with the backrivet set from inside the cone.  Again, most of this is easily done laying on a flat bench.  

I considered most riveting that required crawling in the cone after it was hung the result of planning oversights.  Everything done on the bench was done single handed.

Bill Watson



Sent from my iPad



On May 18, 2012, at 8:14 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:



[quote]               

Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.  

   

What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.  

   

If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?  

   

Carlos  

   

   

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trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt
Guest

Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 6:00 am Post subject: Building the tail cone

Thanks Ed  

   

That’s exactly the kind of answer I was looking for  

   

Regards  

Carlos  

           

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Kranz

 Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 13:48

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Building the tail cone  

  

   

I'm just finishing up my tail cone, and I think having it attached to the fuse would just make it almost impossible to get things installed. Once you put the longerons and top skin on, it's fully rigid and doesn't need a jig.    

   

    

I built mine on a pair of 2x3's screwed to the top of my bench, overhanging about 2.5 feet. I think I got this idea from Tim Olsen. Worked awesome! This both supported everything well and kept a gap between the bench top and the skins so the clecos wouldn't have interference.  

    

   

    

I am keeping video of my entire build, so you can see exactly how it goes together here (and in later videos as well):  

    

http://www.edandcolleen.com/tail-cone-taking-shape/   

    

   

    

I have been able to do all construction on the tail cone single handed up to the point I'm at now.    

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:      

Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.  

   

What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.  

   

If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?  

   

Carlos  

   

   

  

  

  

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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 6:01 am Post subject: Building the tail cone

Thanks Bill  

   

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson

 Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 14:21

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Building the tail cone  

  

     

Hanging it would only make it more difficult.  You'll want to build the tailcne on a flat bench.  No jig.    

    

   

    

What worked well for me was large back riveting plate.  Mine was about 24" x 12" x 1/4" (guesstimate) from a local scap yard.  This was laid on the bench and scrap 1/4" ply from the crate was used to fit around the plate to provide a folate surface for the cone to lie on.  

    

   

    

With that setup, you can  backrivet  80% or more of rivets flat on the bench.  That makes high quality results very easy.  A short and long backrivet set is needed.  

    

   

    

For many of the rivets that can't be backriveted flat on the bench, you can use a back rivet bucking bar (larger mushroom shaped) and bang the rivets with the backrivet set from inside the cone.  Again, most of this is easily done laying on a flat bench.    

    

   

    

I considered most riveting that required crawling in the cone after it was hung the result of planning oversights.  Everything done on the bench was done single handed.  

    

   

    

Bill Watson

 

 Sent from my iPad  

    



 On May 18, 2012, at 8:14 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:  

  [quote]    

Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.  

   

What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.  

   

If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?  

   

Carlos  

   

   

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 6:58 am Post subject: Building the tail cone

If you are just starting out, it is well worth the money to get a #40 

and #30 chucking reamer. Keeps the holes rounder and more accurate, as 

well as reducing need for deburring. (actually, since most holes are 

dimpled, which enlarges the hole, a #41 reamer gives a finished hole 

closer to AN3 rivet size). Avery and other tool sources stock the reamers.



On 5/18/2012 6:48 AM, Bill Watson wrote:

[quote] I should add that for the clecoing and match drilling you need saw 

 horses or something to raise cone off the bench to clear the clecos. 

  It becomes pretty obvious as you proceed.



 Yes, the accuracy of the CNC stuff is simply amazing. It just all fits 

 despite your best efforts.



 Bill



 Sent from my iPad



 On May 18, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Bill Watson <mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com 

 <mailto:mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>> wrote:



> Hanging it would only make it more difficult.  You'll want to build 

> the tailcne on a flat bench.  No jig.

>

> What worked well for me was large back riveting plate.  Mine was 

> about 24" x 12" x 1/4" (guesstimate) from a local scap yard.  This 

> was laid on the bench and scrap 1/4" ply from the crate was used to 

> fit around the plate to provide a folate surface for the cone to lie on.

>

> With that setup, you can  backrivet  80% or more of rivets flat on 

> the bench.  That makes high quality results very easy.  A short and 

> long backrivet set is needed.

>

> For many of the rivets that can't be backriveted flat on the bench, 

> you can use a back rivet bucking bar (larger mushroom shaped) and 

> bang the rivets with the backrivet set from inside the cone.  Again, 

> most of this is easily done laying on a flat bench.

>

> I considered most riveting that required crawling in the cone after 

> it was hung the result of planning oversights.  Everything done on 

> the bench was done single handed.

>

> Bill Watson

>

> Sent from my iPad

>

> On May 18, 2012, at 8:14 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt 

> <mailto:trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>> wrote:

>

>> Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you 

>> to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.

>>

>> What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB 

>> fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.

>>

>> If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? 

>> Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?

>>

>> Carlos

>>

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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 7:07 am Post subject: Building the tail cone

Serves no real advantage other than to take up more space. Following the plans in this case would be the best practice. 



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On May 18, 2012, at 7:14 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:



               

Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.  

   

What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.  

   

If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?  

   

Carlos  

   

   

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jeff(at)westcottpress.com
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 8:52 am Post subject: Building the tail cone

It helps to have one of these:



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On May 18, 2012, at 5:14 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:

[quote]Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.

 

What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.

 

If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?

 

Carlos

 

 

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robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 9:25 am Post subject: Building the tail cone

I strongly suggest renting one of those. There are many maintenance issues associated with ownership.

 

 

 Robin

 Do not archive 

 

 Sent from the new iPad

 

 On May 18, 2012, at 10:16 AM, "Jeff Carpenter" <jeff(at)westcottpress.com (jeff(at)westcottpress.com)> wrote:

 

 

 

 [quote] It helps to have one of these: 

 

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  On May 18, 2012, at 5:14 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:

  [quote]    Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.

   

  What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.

   

  If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?

   

  Carlos

   

   

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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 1:37 pm Post subject: Building the tail cone

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Couldn't have done it without mine!

  

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