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benson.barry(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:05 am Post subject: flight surfaces control lock

Has anyone developed  an inside cabin flight surfaces control lock that uses the control stick and rudder pedals  to hold both the rudder and ailerons in a safe and secure position during high winds when airplane is tied down outside?   I am picturing in my mind a control lock similar to the kind used in Mooneys -- the York Loc .  Thanks, Barry

merlin

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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:34 am Post subject: flight surfaces control lock

I don't see any need for the Rudder lock since the weight on the nose wheel prevents the rudder from moving on the ground.



JW



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benson.barry(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:45 pm Post subject: flight surfaces control lock

Thanks for getting back to me.  I really appreciate it.  I guess the only thing needed then is to secure the control stick, which can be done with the seat belt.  Thanks again, Barry



On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:34 AM, JEFFREY WEBB <cw4jasper(at)bellsouth.net (cw4jasper(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:

 [quote]I don't see any need for the Rudder lock since the weight on the nose wheel prevents the rudder from moving on the ground.

 

JW



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klondike(at)megalink.net
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 3:09 pm Post subject: flight surfaces control lock

not true in high winds

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merlin

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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 4:02 pm Post subject: flight surfaces control lock

That may be true and then even a rudder pedal lock wouldn't do the trick. In that case I would probably use some sort of external control lock on the rudder itself.



JW



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Sent: Mon, May 21, 2012 7:10:08 PM

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not true in high winds

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bryanmmartin

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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 4:14 pm Post subject: flight surfaces control lock

I cut a piece of polyethylene foam that fits around the stick to prevent side to side motion and a short piece of nylon rope with a couple of "S" hooks to hold the stick forward against the foam block.



On May 21, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Barry Benson wrote:



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		   Thanks for getting back to me.  I really appreciate it.  I guess the only thing needed then is to secure the control stick, which can be done with the seat belt.  Thanks again, Barry

 

 On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:34 AM, JEFFREY WEBB <cw4jasper(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:

 I don't see any need for the Rudder lock since the weight on the nose wheel prevents the rudder from moving on the ground.

 


	


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benson.barry(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:11 pm Post subject: flight surfaces control lock

Bryan, The foam block idea is interesting.  BB

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin(at)comcast.net (bryanmmartin(at)comcast.net)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Zenith601-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin(at)comcast.net (bryanmmartin(at)comcast.net)>

 I cut a piece of polyethylene foam that fits around the stick to prevent side to side motion and a short piece of nylon rope with a couple of "S" hooks to hold the stick forward against the foam block.

 On May 21, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Barry Benson wrote:

 > Thanks for getting back to me.  I really appreciate it.  I guess the only thing needed then is to secure the control stick, which can be done with the seat belt.  Thanks again, Barry

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		   I don't see any need for the Rudder lock since the weight on the nose wheel prevents the rudder from moving on the ground.

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DaveG601XL

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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:12 am Post subject: Re: flight surfaces control lock

Barry,



I don't tie my 601XL down very much outside, but when I do, such as at Oshkosh, I use a ratchet strap.  It hooks from one rudder pedal on the right to another on the left with a loop around my center control stick. It is a little clumsy to put on, but I only do it once in a great while, so I don't mind it.  The only picture I could find was one I took a Oshkosh, but it only shows where it loops around the stick.



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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:02 am Post subject: flight surfaces control lock

Thanks, Dave.  Regards, Barry



On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 12:12 PM, DaveG601XL <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com (david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com)> wrote:

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 I don't tie my 601XL down very much outside, but when I do, such as at Oshkosh, I use a ratchet strap.  It hooks from one rudder pedal on the right to another on the left with a loop around my center control stick. It is a little clumsy to put on, but I only do it once in a great while, so I don't mind it.  The only picture I could find was one I took a Oshkosh, but it only shows where it loops around the stick.

  

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wood23(at)sasktel.net
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:24 am Post subject: flight surfaces control lock

I suffered considerable damage to ailerons and rudder last summer when a 70  mph wind caught my plane from behind. The rudder damage was probably caused due  to the tail tie down pulling out. I had been using the bungee cord control stick tie  down method for a number of years but the wind from behind shredded the aileron  at the control horn on both sides. 



The control surfaces have been rebuilt and as the aircraft is tied down out  side I wanted a gust lock that didnâ€™t put a load on the aileron at the control  horn. My solution was to make a frame from PVC pipe that fits into the gap at  the wing tip. I tried attaching a photo, hope you can see it. Another PVC  pipe gust lock is attached to the elevator. 



For the rudder Iâ€™m relying on  ratchet straps and better ground stakes. 



If anybody's interested I can get more pictures of the gust locks next time out to the  airport. 



Ron Wood 

C-FJFH CH 601 HDS 

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klondike(at)megalink.net
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:25 pm Post subject: flight surfaces control lock

not a good way to do it.

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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:32 pm Post subject: flight surfaces control lock

you'd be smart to listen to this guy (Ron Wood)--- he knows what he is 

talking about.

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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:22 pm Post subject: flight surfaces control lock

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wood23(at)sasktel.net wrote:



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I suffered considerable damage to ailerons and rudder last summer when a 70  mph wind caught my plane from behind. The rudder damage was probably caused due  to the tail tie down pulling out. I had been using the bungee cord control stick tie  down method for a number of years but the wind from behind shredded the aileron  at the control horn on both sides.



The control surfaces have been rebuilt and as the aircraft is tied down out  side I wanted a gust lock that didnâ€™t put a load on the aileron at the control  horn. My solution was to make a frame from PVC pipe that fits into the gap at  the wing tip. I tried attaching a photo, hope you can see it. Another PVC  pipe gust lock is attached to the elevator.



For the rudder Iâ€™m relying on  ratchet straps and better ground stakes.



If anybody's interested I can get more pictures of the gust locks next time out to the  airport.



Ron Wood

C-FJFH CH 601 HDS

Stratus Subaru

paulrod36(at)msn.com
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:34 am Post subject: flight surfaces control lock

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  I'd be very concerned about wedging something in the space under the  aileron as a gust lock.  I've seen people use two  flat  pieces of wood, 6 to 8 inches long, with a non-skid facing, at top and bottom of  the aileron-flap gap, holding it all together with a threaded rod and a couple  of wing nuts. It comes apart quickly, and stows in a small bag.

  

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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 10:12 am Post subject: flight surfaces control lock

two thumbs up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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