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Frank

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 69

Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 8:16 am Post subject: $30 dollars a plug?

$30 dollars a plug?



Sounds like someone is pricing themselves right out of business.



I'm going with the auto conversion next time.

dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
Guest

Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 8:33 am Post subject: $30 dollars a plug?

Yep, you're right Frank.  They (meaning the Russians) think they have found 

out what capitalism is.   Now they believe they can continue to raise the 

price and we're going to continue to pay whatever they want for them.



The fact is, 7 years ago I could buy all the Russian plugs you ever wanted 

for less than $6 a piece.



When you do make the conversion Frank, you will be amazed at how smooth your 

engine runs and how much more efficient your engine is.

Dennis



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richard.goode(at)russiana
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:16 am Post subject: $30 dollars a plug?

This is simple economics, and it is called  "supply and demand".

  

 We have all been living in a dream world  caused by the Soviets leaving a lot of Yak parts around DOSAFF Airfields in the  East, and so inevitably they have been sold off cheap. 

  

 Automotive conversions clearly are great -  but in Europe we simply are not allowed to use them, and so are dependent on  original plugs or champions.  The Russian factory is now making them again,  but in hundreds rather than tens of thousands - hence the cost.   

  

 Obviously it is great if there is a Western  analogue like plugs; propellers; tyres etc that can be used.   However  for things that are not currently made in the West, believe me, there will be a  problem.  Possibly not this year, but inevitably at a stage. 

  

 Remember engine prices - they were US  $9,000; Shadetree stabilised the market for a while going up to the high  20,000's, and for the future they will  certainly be a lot higher  particularly with all those Pitts Model 12's; Natural attrition etc.  

  

 Aerostar can still make all 52 airframe  components, but unless they are supported won't continue. 

  

 Arseniev now has nothing for 50 and 55;  and 18T parts are available from Smolensk, but slow and expensive.

  

 Also, believe me, it does not make life  easier for middle men like myself - not only are prices higher; customers  reluctant to believe these increases, but also it becomes harder and harder to  find any parts at all in some categories.  

  

  

 

Richard Goode Aerobatics

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United Kingdom

  

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markhiggins_la(at)lycos.c
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: $30 dollars a plug?

You know, I never took seriously Yak warriors especially those in clownish nomex outfits, but this thread really pissed me off.



So, when this guy Savarese pushes his kits here and books $300 profit on each $400-something sale - he is a nice "good fella".

When Champion sells their product at the same profit margin - they are a respectable corporation.

When Russians bring their prices in line - Oh, my God ! They are greedy bastards !



You really thought this looting of Russia would continue indefinitely ?



Stupidity and arrogance have never been in short supply in this country.

________________________________  Message 7  _____________________________________

Time: 09:33:32 AM PST US

From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.com>

Subject: Re: $30 dollars a plug?






Yep, you're right Frank.  They (meaning the Russians) think they have found 

out what capitalism is.   Now they believe they can continue to raise the 

price and we're going to continue to pay whatever they want for them.



The fact is, 7 years ago I could buy all the Russian plugs you ever wanted 

for less than $6 a piece.



When you do make the conversion Frank, you will be amazed at how smooth your 

engine runs and how much more efficient your engine is.

Dennis



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pfstelwagon(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 10:35 pm Post subject: $30 dollars a plug?

Ah I see we have another budding genius on the list  - Mark Higgins.  He is going to make up the kit for $100.  Pick the  correct heat range plugs, the good RFI suppression wire and the adapters  etc,  fat chance Mark.  This list is the best thing for exchanging  information, and learning about these aircraft, so pay attention Mark and  learn something.  By the way if you think $30.00 for Russian plugs is  over priced, take a look at Aircraft Spurce. Champion plugs vary from $18.75 to  $43.00 and Iridum  plugs are $50.00 plus.  Times have changed Mark you  can't buy a CJ for $29,000 any more.

  

 Frank 

 CJ6-A

 N23021

dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
Guest

Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 3:30 am Post subject: $30 dollars a plug?

Higgins,

If I've pissed you off, that's tough.  The kits COST me more than $300 each 

and I buy them in quantities.  And they are much, much more than just a set 

of $2 a piece spark plugs.  So if you want to "discuss" this with me, then 

by all means please do so, but take it off line since obviously you have no 

clue as to it costs to manufacture these kits.  My telephone numbers are 

below should you want to telephone me.  I'm on central time.

Dennis



A. Dennis Savarese

334-285-2141 (office)

334-546-8182 (cell)

www.yak-52.com

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Scooter

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 155

Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 4:02 am Post subject: Re: $30 dollars a plug?

that was way out of line.  Mark Higgins you are an asshole.

 	  markhiggins_la(at)lycos.c wrote: 	
		  You know, I never took seriously Yak warriors especially those in clownish nomex outfits, but this thread really pissed me off.



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schrick(at)pacbell.net
Guest

Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: $30 dollars a plug?

Dennis, 



Wait until he calls Carl, George, Doug, You or myself for parts........I am

sure we will remember these comments and charge accordingly. 



This is still the cheapest way to fly in the Warbird area and only second to

home builders.



Engines, parts, planes are all going up and it will not get better. Start

saving those dollar bills for the next thing we will need to purchase.



SHREK



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Valkyre1(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 6:16 am Post subject: $30 dollars a plug?

Mark,

  

 You came across as nasty and mean spirited on that  one instead of informative and knowledgeable. The next time you're feeling this  way kick the cat, chew on a door jam, take a deep breath and attack what you  think is the problem and not the people...for the sake of your own  dignity. 

  

 - Val

Scooter

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 155

Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 6:40 am Post subject: Re: $30 dollars a plug?

Val has a good point.  We should all just chill out for a day and not make any irrational reactions based on anger.  So, tomorrow we'll find Mark Higgins and kick his ass.

 	  Valkyre1(at)comcast.net wrote: 	
		  Mark,

 ï¿½

 You came across as nasty and mean spirited on that  one instead of informative and knowledgeable. The next time you're feeling this  way kick the cat, chew on a door jam, take a deep breath and attack what you  think is the problem and not the people...for the sake of your own  dignity.ï¿½

 ï¿½

 - Valï¿½ï¿½

PeteAbbott(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 7:48 am Post subject: $30 dollars a plug?

I kinda like the kick the cat approach, especially if the cat is one that  does not understand how the mouse population effects every cat in the  barns life style.

  

 But I's just a poor dumb county boy who calls a spade a God d____  shovel.

  

 Pete

mark_higgins_la(at)lycos.
Guest

Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: $30 dollars a plug?

Honestly, I don't care how much you charge for your kits. It's none of my business. Just spare me your sales talk

about costs and clues. I friend did the same job for $100-something. So, go brainwash your Yak crowd.



What blew my lid was this sense of entitlement to essentially looted property.



 	  Quote: 	
		    Wait until he calls Carl, George, Doug, You or myself for parts........I am

    sure we will remember these comments and charge accordingly. 


	


Wow ! This sounds like a mini cartel here ! Too bad I'm not a customer. Just one question to you,

my dear parts barons: what do you think are your chances for getting busted one day for an attempt

to smuggle out stolen goods ? ( Hint : it doesn't take a lot of well-wishers to get on Customs watch list ). And let me guess - are you going to whine that you sincerely believed that $6 a plug is a true price ?



Also, a note to this "Scooter" thing: I feel sorry for your name, please accept my condolences. Call me what you like,

but at least I do not drive a plane designed for 18-year-old kids to get basics in 50hrs before switching to jets, get

dressed like a 300lbs “democratizer”, and call it a "warbird".



One more thing - it appears that this list is being manipulated in a genuinely american democratically perverted way to ensure

that no "undesirables" stay here long enough to stir trouble. I don’t mind really - go ahead unsubscribe me.

________________________________  Message 1  _____________________________________

Time: 04:30:40 AM PST US

From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.com>

Subject: Re: Re: $30 dollars a plug?






Higgins,

If I've pissed you off, that's tough.  The kits COST me more than $300 each 

and I buy them in quantities.  And they are much, much more than just a set 

of $2 a piece spark plugs.  So if you want to "discuss" this with me, then 

by all means please do so, but take it off line since obviously you have no 

clue as to it costs to manufacture these kits.  My telephone numbers are 

below should you want to telephone me.  I'm on central time.

Dennis



A. Dennis Savarese

334-285-2141 (office)

334-546-8182 (cell)

www.yak-52.com

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