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napolin(at)me.com
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:34 am Post subject: GRT Panel Layout

Here is my final panel configuration.  I should be cutting metal this weekend.

Any comment or thoughts appreciated

Thanks

Niko



Nikolaos Napoli



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napolin(at)me.com
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 8:29 am Post subject: GRT Panel Layout

Rene

Thanks for the input, you make some good points.

Since I am cutting the panel myself it gives me some leeway to tweak it so the upper left corner fits.  I might have to trim the perimeter angle at that location.  I am trying to get the panel as far to the left as possible.  As far as the main left side rib I dont know if I clear it.  If I dont, I will trim the rib and reinforce it.

As far as the switches, taking what you said into consideration, I will lay them out in groups with space in between groups so that I dont accidentally turn off critical switches.  Here is what I am thinking

Mastr, Alternator, Aux Battery

EIS, EFIS1, EFIS2, Avionics

Strobes, Nav lights, Taxi Lights, Landing Light

autopilot off, trim off, copilot stick off.



So the first two groups should not normally be touched during the flight.  I also have the infinity stick which reduces the number of switches on the panel.

Thang again

Niko



Nikolaos Napoli



On May 24, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Rene Felker <rene(at)felker.com (rene(at)felker.com)> wrote:



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A couple of general comments.

 

Is there enough room for the left panelâ€¦.top left cornerâ€¦.considering ribs, etc.  Looks a little close

 

The switches across the bottom of the panel.  If any of them are critical, than you will need some type of switch guard.  Because, in turbulence, you reach for one of the buttons on the bottom, you hit a bump and your hand gets pulled down and turns off the switchâ€¦â€¦ask me how I knowâ€¦â€¦..IPC, in a hold and I turned off my GRTâ€¦.well I got some good practice flying on my backup instrumentsâ€¦.

 

Looks great to me.

 

Rene' Felker

N423CF

801-721-6080



 

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nikolaos Napoli

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Here is my final panel configuration.  I should be cutting metal this weekend.



 



Any comment or thoughts appreciated



 



Thanks



Niko



Nikolaos Napoli



 

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bwestfall

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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:23 am Post subject: GRT Panel Layout

If you do find yourself in the unfortunate event of relying on your backup gauges (which sounds a bit more likely w/efis switches on the dash) your scan will be difficult at best with the backups being on opposite ends of the panel.  You will end up focusing on the attitude indicator and in high stress situations your alt and airspeed won’t be scanned much.

 

What is the function of the efis switches?  Are you using some of those to facilitate e-buss wiring as it appears you are using a VP product?  Is that also the case for your “trim off” switch or is that simply for speed of shutoff given a runaway scenario?  

 

-Ben

 

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nikolaos Napoli

Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:34 AM

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Here is my final panel configuration.  I should be cutting metal this weekend.



 



Any comment or thoughts appreciated



 



Thanks



Niko



Nikolaos Napoli



 

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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:39 am Post subject: GRT Panel Layout

Nice layout, the only change I would make is to move the second screen to the right and put the two steam gauges closer to the middle for better visual for the PIC

        From: Nikolaos Napoli <napolin(at)me.com>

 To: Matronics <rv10-list(at)matronics.com> 

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 Here is my final panel configuration.  I should be cutting metal this weekend.

Any comment or thoughts appreciated

Thanks

Niko



Nikolaos Napoli



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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 10:17 am Post subject: GRT Panel Layout

After looking at it again, I might move the engine monitoring into the middle as it will be hard to read from the left. I put mine to far down and its a pain. Also you might add a stereo to the area where the engine monitor was. 

        From: Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson(at)yahoo.com>

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 Nice layout, the only change I would make is to move the second screen to the right and put the two steam gauges closer to the middle for better visual for the PIC

        From: Nikolaos Napoli <napolin(at)me.com>

 To: Matronics <rv10-list(at)matronics.com> 

 Sent:  Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:33 AM

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 Here is my final panel configuration.  I should be cutting metal this weekend.

Any comment or thoughts appreciated

Thanks

Niko

Nikolaos Napoli

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Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:02 am Post subject: GRT Panel Layout

Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: GRT Panel Layout

Contrarian: I'd leave the EIS box more or less out of sight, off to the right. The HXr screens will display all the engine data. You can have the EIS flash if there's no oil pressure after start up, but you will have to look over there.



I'm curious; looks like you're going with a remote transponder but opted not to go with the remote audio panel or remote com?



Two Garmin boxes are overkill IMHO, but it's your money.

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Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: GRT Panel Layout

Do I see just one headset jack at each end? Instead of a pair?

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napolin(at)me.com
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 2:52 pm Post subject: GRT Panel Layout

Thank you all for your replies.

Here is the thought process behind the panel layout which addresses some of the comments.

The system is a dual AHRS, dual magnetometer system.  There will be a small backup battery but its a single alternator system.  There is a vacuum horizon in case all electrical power is lost along with a mechanical airspeed and altitude indicators.

The main backup is the second screen with the second AHRS, magnetometer and backup battery.  The likelihood that I will have to revert  to only the steam gages is very remote, and if I do, my first thought would be to get out of IMC , I am not flying an approach with only those instruments if I can help it ,in which case the attitude indicator will be the control instrument and adequate to keep the plane on a relatively steady heading and altitude.  Because of this, the steam gages have tertiary importance, therefore, I placed the second screen closer to the left and the two steam gages to the right of the second screen.   At this location the second screen is also easier to use and see during normal flight displaying engine instruments maps etc adding to situational awareness.

The GRT screens have no on/off switches and cant be shut down without externally removing power to them. I wanted to be able to shut them down individually, therefore, the separate switches.  I also wanted to be able to have the screens shut before startup as thats what GRT recommends although with the backup battery I will probably have the primary one on during startup.

The trim, autopilot and copilot switches on the right are there in case something doesn't feel or look right I can quickly, without thinking, shut all three down and then evaluate the situation.  The VPX-Pro I am installing does not cover all of the possible runway trim failure modes.

There are 5 warning lights and a panel screw next to each other, I will move the warning lights over the radio stack and center them.  That was a brain freeze.

I normally dont need to look at the engine monitor but it does have to be mounted somewhere.  I placed it in an out of the way spot.  I had extra room there anyway.  That reminds me I need to make room for the alternator circuit braker.

The audio panel has bluetooth capability, and I also have an overhead DVD player mounted for the rear seats so I dont need any more stereo equipment.

Small steam gages dont work for my setup because I have found vacuum horizons only in the larger size, and most of the reasonably priced altimeters come with only a single dial with a 100 ft altitude change about a tenth or two of an inch movement in the dial.  Not enough resolution for my taste.

I dont have dual 430s, whats shown in the figure is dual GTN650s, one of which I have allready purchased with the second one coming next year.

Hope this explains the logic behind my choices.  Again all your inputs are greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Niko



Nikolaos Napoli



On May 24, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com (robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com)> wrote:



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Speaking as one that put a full audio/video system in my plane I say NOOOO to the stereo. I have since ripped out 7+ pounds of AV equipment and replaced with iPad which I then  upgraded to iPad2 then the New iPad. Tech changes so quickly I suggest you donâ€™t lock yourself into 1970's stereo equipment. I also added a Belkin Bluetooth adapter into my audio panel for ~$60.00. Of course several audio panels have BT built in now. 

  

As far as the panel layout goes I personally prefer each display being exactly centered in front of each stick so you can fly from either location as if it was designed that way.  That would leave room to place all 3 round gauges stacked for easier scan (prefer the smaller gauges). 

Also what is going on with the ~5 lights above the PFD? Looks like 5 of one style and one of another. No symmetry there as one light is centered between the PFD and the radio  stack. Why? I would either find a way to tighten them up so they ended flush right with the PFD or I would center them above the radio stack ending flush left & right with the radio stack column.  

  

Are you really installing dual 430W's? 

  

Finally why do you need the engine monitoring at all on your panel? Doesnâ€™t that all show up on your GRT's? 

  

Good luck, 

Robin   

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Johnson

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After looking at it again, I might move the engine monitoring into the middle as it will be hard to read from the left. I put mine to far down and  its a pain. Also you might add a stereo to the area where the engine monitor was.  

  

  

       

 

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Nice layout, the only change I would make is to move the second screen to the right and put the two steam gauges closer to the middle for better  visual for the PIC 

  

  

       

 

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Here is my final panel configuration.  I should be cutting metal this weekend. 

  

  

  

Any comment or thoughts appreciated 

  

  

  

Thanks 

  

Niko

 

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napolin(at)me.com
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 3:12 pm Post subject: GRT Panel Layout

The remote audio panel being offered is a relatively simple one with no bluetooth and no marker beacon.  I wanted both.  



Since I am planning on flying IFR I wanted a backup navigator in case the GTN650 died on me.  One option would be to go to a n SL30 which I might go for instead of the second GTN650 as I have only purchased one of them at this time.  During IFR flying I enter a change in frequency on the radio as its being given to me, I do not write it down, and for that I want a very simple way to enter it.  I am not sure how a single GTN650 will work for that.  I believe to really get all the remote equipment with the GRT system and make it work well you need the android tablet.  At that point the problem of where to mount it and sunlight visibility comes in.  And here is a look at the numbers,  1200 for remote com,  4500 for remote Wass gps total 5700.  GTN 650 set me back 8100 but for the extra 2300 I have a vor navigator and can do ILS approaches and also have a touch screen.  It makes the GTN650 look like a pretty good deal to me.



Nikolaos Napoli



On May 24, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> wrote:



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 Contrarian: I'd leave the EIS box more or less out of sight, off to the right. The HXr screens will display all the engine data. You can have the EIS flash if there's no oil pressure after start up, but you will have to look over there.

 

 I'm curious; looks like you're going with a remote transponder but opted not to go with the remote audio panel or remote com?

 

 Two Garmin boxes are overkill IMHO, but it's your money.

 

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dmaib@me.com

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Posts: 454
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: GRT Panel Layout

If you are going to have a backup battery that will allow you to keep one of the GRT screens on during start, then you don't need to have the EIS on the panel, as you will be able to see all of the engine instruments on the GRT during start. I mounted my EIS behind the panel on a hinged swing down panel so I have access to it for programming. Frees up some panel space and once you have the EIS programmed, you will rarely need to see it again.

The EIS could either be powered from the main buss or from the backup battery so that it is powered during start, as is the GRT screen.

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robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 3:38 pm Post subject: GRT Panel Layout

Nikolaos, 

Have you considered either the new Gemini due out (Last December ) instead of your 3 round gauges? The Gemini will probably save you $ and at the same time five you full 6 pack functionality in one location. 

Or maybe a Dynon D60 or D100 with its own internal back up battery? 

I have the D100 in my -10 as a backup and I like it a lot. I have reserved a spot as a backup instrument in my 8A for the Gemini. Rumored pricing under $1,300. 

  

Robin 

  

http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/products/Gemini_PFD.html 

  

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http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/EFIS_intro.html 

  

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napolin(at)me.com
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 4:22 pm Post subject: GRT Panel Layout

Yes I did look at the Gemini and I really like it.  It looks like a great idea.  The only thing that stops mr from installing it instead is concern for lightning strike.  I have no idea how tolerant of lightning strike all this equipment is and would hate to be in IMC and have a lightning strike take out my entire panel.   Maybe I am being too conservative, but like most of us I will have my family in it.  

The only conclusion I reached researching the literature is that in a relatively large cockpit, i e airline, its unlikely that a direct lightning strike will take the entire instrument panel out. If I could convice myself that lightning is not a threat, or if I was going to only fly In VMC, then I would go with the Gemini.



Niko



Nikolaos Napoli



On May 24, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com (robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com)> wrote:



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Nikolaos, 

Have you considered either the new Gemini due out (Last December ) instead of your 3 round gauges? The Gemini will probably save you $ and at the same time five you full 6 pack functionality in one location. 

Or maybe a Dynon D60 or D100 with its own internal back up battery? 

I have the D100 in my -10 as a backup and I like it a lot. I have reserved a spot as a backup instrument in my 8A for the Gemini. Rumored pricing under $1,300. 

  

Robin 

  

http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/products/Gemini_PFD.html 

  

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http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/EFIS_intro.html 

  

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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:51 pm Post subject: GRT Panel Layout

Lightning is not a threat. Did that convince you? 

  

Robin 

Do Not Archive 

    

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nikolaos Napoli

 Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 5:22 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

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Yes I did look at the Gemini and I really like it.  It looks like a great idea.  The only thing that stops mr from installing it instead is concern for lightning strike.  I have no idea how tolerant of lightning strike all this equipment  is and would hate to be in IMC and have a lightning strike take out my entire panel.   Maybe I am being too conservative, but like most of us I will have my family in it.   

  

  

  

The only conclusion I reached researching the literature is that in a relatively large cockpit, i e airline, its unlikely that a direct lightning strike will take the entire instrument panel out. If I could convice myself that lightning  is not a threat, or if I was going to only fly In VMC, then I would go with the Gemini.

 

 Niko 

  

  

  



 Nikolaos Napoli 

  



 On May 24, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com (robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com)> wrote: 

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Nikolaos, 

Have you considered either the new Gemini due out (Last December ) instead of your 3 round gauges? The Gemini will probably save you $ and at the same time five you full 6 pack functionality in one location. 

Or maybe a Dynon D60 or D100 with its own internal back up battery? 

I have the D100 in my -10 as a backup and I like it a lot. I have reserved a spot as a backup instrument in my 8A for the Gemini. Rumored pricing under $1,300. 

  

Robin 

  

http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/products/Gemini_PFD.html 

  

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http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/EFIS_intro.html 

  

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Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:32 pm Post subject: GRT Panel Layout

Sounds good but right now I'm thinking an electrical storm I passed     by/under caused some failures on my panel.  I don't believe that's     the cause but the more I learn, the more it seems like it did. 

     

     Tell me again.

     

     Bill

     

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Lightning             is not a threat. Did that convince you?         

          

Robin         

Do             Not Archive         

                                  

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Yes I did look at the Gemini and I really             like it.  It looks like a great idea.  The only thing that             stops mr from installing it instead is concern for lightning             strike.  I have no idea how tolerant of lightning strike all             this equipment is and would hate to be in IMC and have a             lightning strike take out my entire panel.   Maybe I am             being too conservative, but like most of us I will have my             family in it.           

                    

          

                    

The only conclusion I reached researching             the literature is that in a relatively large cockpit, i e             airline, its unlikely that a direct lightning strike will             take the entire instrument panel out. If I could convice             myself that lightning is not a threat, or if I was going to             only fly In VMC, then I would go with the Gemini.

             

             Niko         

                    

          

                    



             Nikolaos Napoli         

                    



             On May 24, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com (robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com)>             wrote:         

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Nikolaos,             

Have you considered either the new               Gemini due out (Last December ) instead of your 3 round               gauges? The Gemini will probably save you $ and at the               same time five you full 6 pack functionality in one               location.             

Or maybe a Dynon D60 or D100 with               its own internal back up battery?             

I have the D100 in my -10 as a               backup and I like it a lot. I have reserved a spot as a               backup instrument in my 8A for the Gemini. Rumored pricing               under $1,300.             

              

Robin             

              

http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/products/Gemini_PFD.html             

              

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http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/EFIS_intro.html             

              

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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 7:02 pm Post subject: GRT Panel Layout

It looks like you spent some time thinking about the 2 GRT displays.  I 

assume those are the new GRT displays (?).



I have 3 GRT HX displays spread out across the panel with the intent of  

the left and right panels being in front of the two pilot positions.  

The center one is canted towards the pilot.



I still think having a GRT HX in from of each panel made sense so the 

plane can be flow from the right seat (even though it rarely is).  

However, I wish the left and center panels were closer together.  I find 

the distance between them awkward during hood sessions in particular.



In retrospect, putting the two displays right up against each other 

would have been ideal.  I typically have the PFD and Map split screened 

on one, the engine on the other.  I guess I didn't expect how important 

it was to me to have a full engine screen up at all times.  Between 

leaning, power management and monitoring temps, I end up keeping a 

constant eye on the engine.  But of course you always want to see the 

PFD and often the map during ops in IMC.  Minimizing the distance 

between all of these is a good thing relative to one's scan.



For the right seat, having one centered display is more than enough 

given the actual use of that screen.

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FWIW,

Bill Watson

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 7:39 pm Post subject: GRT Panel Layout

I have read a lot of threads over the years about panel layouts. If you are expecting to fly a lot with a copilot, or expect to do a lot of flying from the right seat, a screen over there can make sense. Other than that it's a waste of money IMHO. I do quite a bit of right seat flying and look over in front of the pilot for instruments when needed. In reality, the autopilot does the flying and I just navigate and monitor the systems, whether right or left seat. When landing, whether vmc or imc, I take over the autopilot to land only after breaking out, and then fly by feel and glance at the airspeed & altimeter to verify. 



When laying out a panel, I put the stuff closest that I need to touch the most and look at the most. That puts EFIS w moving map close and GPS/NAV/COM close at hand. I almost always put radio stack left of center rib, EFIS/PFD left of that, pilot center. Backup attitude near PFD. Engine monitor on PFD or just to right of radio stack. I find that I never like flying without my engine info displayed on the panel. Even though in cruise there are very few changes, I just feel better having it available without touching/pushing anything. Oh, and autopilot close at hand is a good idea unless its a hands off unit (controlled via the EFIS through GPSS/V). When shooting an approach it's the most touched thing with vectors then coupling. 



A plug for the iPad, whether Foreflight or other App, a RAM mount right of center panel & facing pilot is awesome. I'm amazed how much I use it in flight, vmc or imc. When in a plane without aRAM mount, I have the copilot hold it facing me when nearing and flying an approach. I can't get over how nice it is to have georeferenced plates. The flight cheetah or 696 or any other plate display I've seen doesn't hold a candle to the iPad. The easy zoom/pan is incredible. 



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

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On May 24, 2012, at 11:01 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote:



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 It looks like you spent some time thinking about the 2 GRT displays.  I assume those are the new GRT displays (?).

 

 I have 3 GRT HX displays spread out across the panel with the intent of  the left and right panels being in front of the two pilot positions.  The center one is canted towards the pilot.

 

 I still think having a GRT HX in from of each panel made sense so the plane can be flow from the right seat (even though it rarely is).  However, I wish the left and center panels were closer together.  I find the distance between them awkward during hood sessions in particular.

 

 In retrospect, putting the two displays right up against each other would have been ideal.  I typically have the PFD and Map split screened on one, the engine on the other.  I guess I didn't expect how important it was to me to have a full engine screen up at all times.  Between leaning, power management and monitoring temps, I end up keeping a constant eye on the engine.  But of course you always want to see the PFD and often the map during ops in IMC.  Minimizing the distance between all of these is a good thing relative to one's scan.

 

 For the right seat, having one centered display is more than enough given the actual use of that screen.

 https://www.dropbox.com/s/kppg1w0g2k47h66/1%20015.jpg

 

 FWIW,

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Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:36 am Post subject: GRT Panel Layout

Thats pretty close to my thinking on the panel layout.  I have also been flying approaches with the Ipad and its great.  

Those are the large 10.4inch HXr screens with one of them right of the center rib so I don't think a passenger will have any problem flying from that screen.  Notice also that its also similar to the G1000 configuration in the small Cessnas.  They don't have a center stack but they do have a separate control panel in the middle and relatively wide botton areas in each screen.  The screen viewing area ends up close to the same location.

 Now if GRT comes out with a touch sensitive daylight readable screen I might go to the three large screen configuration with a remote stack which would be ideal in my mind.  We are probably not too far off from such a configuration.

On May 24, 2012, at 11:38 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:

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 I have read a lot of threads over the years about panel layouts. If you are expecting to fly a lot with a copilot, or expect to do a lot of flying from the right seat, a screen over there can make sense. Other than that it's a waste of money IMHO. I do quite a bit of right seat flying and look over in front of the pilot for instruments when needed. In reality, the autopilot does the flying and I just navigate and monitor the systems, whether right or left seat. When landing, whether vmc or imc, I take over the autopilot to land only after breaking out, and then fly by feel and glance at the airspeed & altimeter to verify. 

 When laying out a panel, I put the stuff closest that I need to touch the most and look at the most. That puts EFIS w moving map close and GPS/NAV/COM close at hand. I almost always put radio stack left of center rib, EFIS/PFD left of that, pilot center. Backup attitude near PFD. Engine monitor on PFD or just to right of radio stack. I find that I never like flying without my engine info displayed on the panel. Even though in cruise there are very few changes, I just feel better having it available without touching/pushing anything. Oh, and autopilot close at hand is a good idea unless its a hands off unit (controlled via the EFIS through GPSS/V). When shooting an approach it's the most touched thing with vectors then coupling. 

 A plug for the iPad, whether Foreflight or other App, a RAM mount right of center panel & facing pilot is awesome. I'm amazed how much I use it in flight, vmc or imc. When in a plane without aRAM mount, I have the copilot hold it facing me when nearing and flying an approach. I can't get over how nice it is to have georeferenced plates. The flight cheetah or 696 or any other plate display I've seen doesn't hold a candle to the iPad. The easy zoom/pan is incredible. 

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 On May 24, 2012, at 11:01 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> It looks like you spent some time thinking about the 2 GRT displays.  I assume those are the new GRT displays (?).

> 

> I have 3 GRT HX displays spread out across the panel with the intent of  the left and right panels being in front of the two pilot positions.  The center one is canted towards the pilot.

> 

> I still think having a GRT HX in from of each panel made sense so the plane can be flow from the right seat (even though it rarely is).  However, I wish the left and center panels were closer together.  I find the distance between them awkward during hood sessions in particular.

> 

> In retrospect, putting the two displays right up against each other would have been ideal.  I typically have the PFD and Map split screened on one, the engine on the other.  I guess I didn't expect how important it was to me to have a full engine screen up at all times.  Between leaning, power management and monitoring temps, I end up keeping a constant eye on the engine.  But of course you always want to see the PFD and often the map during ops in IMC.  Minimizing the distance between all of these is a good thing relative to one's scan.

> 

> For the right seat, having one centered display is more than enough given the actual use of that screen.

> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kppg1w0g2k47h66/1%20015.jpg

> 

> FWIW,

> Bill Watson

> 

> 

> 

>

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Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 4:38 am Post subject: GRT Panel Layout

Just my opinion, but if you are anywhere near  lightning, then you are taking added risk that is unnecessary.  Where there  is lightning there is way to much convective activity.  I would never put  my family in that scenario.  With all those fancy avionics you can avoid WX  like that.  Just my 2 cents.  Great loking panel, I love my  GRT.

 Thane

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Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 5:33 am Post subject: GRT Panel Layout

I guess that depends on how you define "anywhere near". Flying through a thunderstorm is not wise, but flying near one is often necessary, especially on a typical Florida summer day. 



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On May 25, 2012, at 8:36 AM, "Thane States" <thane2(at)comporium.net (thane2(at)comporium.net)> wrote:



[quote]     Just my opinion, but if you are anywhere near  lightning, then you are taking added risk that is unnecessary.  Where there  is lightning there is way to much convective activity.  I would never put  my family in that scenario.  With all those fancy avionics you can avoid WX  like that.  Just my 2 cents.  Great loking panel, I love my  GRT.

 Thane

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