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brubakermal(at)yahoo.com
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 Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 3:44 am Post subject: no hits om the extra ?? |
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can some body look at my barnstormers add and give a sugestion why we have not had any hits?
Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
http://michigansportpilotrepair.com
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: twinstar MK II thanks and another endless question
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org (richard(at)bcchapel.org)>
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
| Quote: | The builder is the manufacturer.>>
What is the situation if the manufacturer, or the builder as manufacturer
produces a plane which is obviously not airworthy. How do you get insurance?
Does the insurance company not apply any yardstick at all? How do they know without inspection or testing if it will fly well, badly, or at all? I
understand that unlike the UK there is no such thing as an approved design
in the US. Who applies what standards in that case?
Curious
Pat
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Years ago I talked to a FAA man in that department about how they went about determining how to issue an Airworthiness Certificate to a problematic design. His answer was to the effect that you can design anything you want, but then you have to build it according to approved methods and practices. Assuming you build it well, but it is still a problematic design, he said they can issue you an Airworthiness Certificate with limitations that precludes you flying it more than 2' off the ground, or anywhere other than immediately above the runway.
In other words, if they don't think it will fly, they can restrict your flying to a minimum.
Never seen such a situation, but it makes sense to me -
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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h20maule(at)hotmail.com
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 4:12 am Post subject: no hits om the extra ?? |
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Looks good to me. Just wait it out
Thanks,Daniel Myers
Cell: 407 920 7700
SouthEastAmphibs.com
On May 31, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com (brubakermal(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote]can some body look at my barnstormers add and give a sugestion why we have not had any hits?
Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
http://michigansportpilotrepair.com
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org (richard(at)bcchapel.org)>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: twinstar MK II thanks and another endless question
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org (richard(at)bcchapel.org)>
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
| Quote: | The builder is the manufacturer.>>
What is the situation if the manufacturer, or the builder as manufacturer
produces a plane which is obviously not airworthy. How do you get insurance?
Does the insurance company not apply any yardstick at all? How do they know without inspection or testing if it will fly well, badly, or at all? I
understand that unlike the UK there is no such thing as an approved design
in the US. Who applies what standards in that case?
Curious
Pat
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Years ago I talked to a FAA man in that department about how they went about determining how to issue an Airworthiness Certificate to a problematic design. His answer was to the effect that you can design anything you want, but then you have to build it according to approved methods and practices. Assuming you build it well, but it is still a problematic design, he said they can issue you an Airworthiness Certificate with limitations that precludes you flying it more than 2' off the ground, or anywhere other than immediately above the runway.
In other words, if they don't think it will fly, they can restrict your flying to a minimum.
Never seen such a situation, but it makes sense to me -
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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williamtsullivan(at)att.n
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 4:15 am Post subject: no hits om the extra ?? |
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The only thing I see is that it's the highest priced one on the list. Not an unreasonable amount, but maybe just because there are others right now.
--- On Thu, 5/31/12, Daniel Myers <h20maule(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
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From: Daniel Myers <h20maule(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: no hits om the extra ??
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Thursday, May 31, 2012, 8:11 AM
Looks good to me. Just wait it out
Thanks,Daniel Myers
Cell: 407 920 7700
SouthEastAmphibs.com
On May 31, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Malcolm Brubaker <[url=/mc/compose?to=brubakermal(at)yahoo.com]brubakermal(at)yahoo.com[/url]> wrote:
| Quote: | can some body look at my barnstormers add and give a sugestion why we have not had any hits?
Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
http://michigansportpilotrepair.com
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022
From: Richard Pike <[url=/mc/compose?to=richard(at)bcchapel.org]richard(at)bcchapel.org[/url]>
To: [url=/mc/compose?to=kolb-list(at)matronics.com]kolb-list(at)matronics.com[/url]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: twinstar MK II thanks and another endless question
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <[url=/mc/compose?to=richard(at)bcchapel.org]richard(at)bcchapel.org[/url]>
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
| Quote: | The builder is the manufacturer.>>
What is the situation if the manufacturer, or the builder as manufacturer
produces a plane which is obviously not airworthy. How do you get insurance?
Does the insurance company not apply any yardstick at all? How do they know without inspection or testing if it will fly well, badly, or at all? I
understand that unlike the UK there is no such thing as an approved design
in the US. Who applies what standards in that case?
Curious
Pat
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Years ago I talked to a FAA man in that department about how they went about determining how to issue an Airworthiness Certificate to a problematic design. His answer was to the effect that you can design anything you want, but then you have to build it according to approved methods and practices. Assuming you build it well, but it is still a problematic design, he said they can issue you an Airworthiness Certificate with limitations that precludes you flying it more than 2' off the ground, or anywhere other than immediately above the runway.
In other words, if they don't think it will fly, they can restrict your flying to a minimum.
Never seen such a situation, but it makes sense to me -
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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jackinkeywest
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:21 am Post subject: no hits om the extra ?? |
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Sorry to be blunt... but you asked.... IMHO the plane is OVER PRICED!
I recently purchased a completed, 2009 Mark III Classic, air worthiness certificated, N-numbered, (w/Rotax 582 Gray head), brand new Warp drive 3-bladed prop, MATCO hydraulic disk brakes, Ameri-King ELT, ICOM A-6 VHF handheld transceiver, Sportys 2-place portable intercom, excellent logs both airframe and engine with only 11 hours TTAE... for $5,000 (on the same Barnstormers.com website)!
Jack in Key West
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russk50(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 2:41 pm Post subject: no hits om the extra ?? |
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One reason might be that there are no Kolbs! -- (is this Kolb-related?)Nice website tho; I'm surprised no hits
Good luck.
Russ K
On May 31, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
[quote]can some body look at my barnstormers add and give a sugestion why we have not had any hits?
Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
http://michigansportpilotrepair.com
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org (richard(at)bcchapel.org)>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: twinstar MK II thanks and another endless question
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org (richard(at)bcchapel.org)>
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
| Quote: | The builder is the manufacturer.>>
What is the situation if the manufacturer, or the builder as manufacturer
produces a plane which is obviously not airworthy. How do you get insurance?
Does the insurance company not apply any yardstick at all? How do they know without inspection or testing if it will fly well, badly, or at all? I
understand that unlike the UK there is no such thing as an approved design
in the US. Who applies what standards in that case?
Curious
Pat
|
Years ago I talked to a FAA man in that department about how they went about determining how to issue an Airworthiness Certificate to a problematic design. His answer was to the effect that you can design anything you want, but then you have to build it according to approved methods and practices. Assuming you build it well, but it is still a problematic design, he said they can issue you an Airworthiness Certificate with limitations that precludes you flying it more than 2' off the ground, or anywhere other than immediately above the runway.
In other words, if they don't think it will fly, they can restrict your flying to a minimum.
Never seen such a situation, but it makes sense to me -
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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