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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:14 am    Post subject: a better mousetrap Reply with quote

Little by little, eliminating this and that annoying thing, eventually makes a big difference in a product.

I'd buy a set.


Thanks,
Michael


Michael W. Meyer
Tiger N74086
San Francisco, CA
michael(at)flightsked.com (michael(at)flightsked.com)



On Jul 24, 2012, at 4:10 AM, Wes Chapman wrote:
[quote]I'm in !

w

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
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Well, all I can say is that after trying it on the one installation, it's an awesome improvement over the latch thats in there. For $25 to 30 a set and about 20 minutes installation, it makes a serious difference in convenience.


Sure, like most poorly conceived designs, there is always a work around. The current latch is just one example.
"Never leave well enough alone." - Raymond Loewy. The most influential engineer of the twentieth century.

Gary
Sent from my iPad

On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:38 PM, "n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)" <n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:

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I agree with Dan. I flip my seats often as sometimes I take people for rides and sometimes I carry stuff and dogs. I have never had a problem with the latches as they are.

Brock

From my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network

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To: "teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)" <teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap
Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 2:19 pm


Speaking for myself, the current latches don’t seem so bad I’d look to replace them. I only flip my back seats about once a year and find getting the back cushions on/off to be the only annoying part of the job.

Dan Schmitz
Tiger 4518B
KASH

From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:21 PM
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Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap



Do you think there would be any demand for a seat latch that had a thumb tab to disengage the latch? They aren't cheap to make (unless I have them made in China). I would get a PMA for them. Direct replacement.

I have a set installed in a customers plane as a test. I think it makes the whole 'putting the seat back down' a lot easier.



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:35 am    Post subject: a better mousetrap Reply with quote

......and another thought.
I'm mighty dang glad that folks like Gary are out there innovating and improving our frames/planes. Heck, use them often or not, i'm buying the product to keep keen minds like Gary's pushing forward. Thanks Gary.
 
Wes Chapman
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On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Michael W. Meyer <michael(at)flightsked.com (michael(at)flightsked.com)> wrote:
Quote:
Little by little, eliminating this and that annoying thing, eventually makes a big difference in a product.

I'd buy a set.

Thanks,
Michael


Michael W. Meyer
Tiger N74086
San Francisco, CA
michael(at)flightsked.com (michael(at)flightsked.com)



On Jul 24, 2012, at 4:10 AM, Wes Chapman wrote:

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I'm in !

w

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
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Well, all I can say is that after trying it on the one installation, it's an awesome improvement over the latch thats in there. For $25 to 30 a set and about 20 minutes installation, it makes a serious difference in convenience. 


Sure, like most poorly conceived designs, there is always a work around. The current latch is just one example. 
"Never leave well enough alone." - Raymond Loewy. The most influential engineer of the twentieth century. 

Gary
Sent from my iPad

On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:38 PM, "n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)" <n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:

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I agree with Dan. I flip my seats often as sometimes I take people for rides and sometimes I carry stuff and dogs. I have never had a problem with the latches as they are.

Brock

From my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network

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Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap
Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 2:19 pm


Speaking for myself, the current latches don’t seem so bad I’d look to replace them.  I only flip my back seats about once a year and find getting the back cushions on/off to be the only annoying part of the job.
 
Dan Schmitz
Tiger 4518B
KASH
 
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
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Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap


 
Do you think there would be any demand for a seat latch that had a thumb tab to disengage the latch?  They aren't cheap to make (unless I have them made in China).  I would get a PMA for them.  Direct replacement.

I have a set installed in a customers plane as a test.  I think it makes the whole 'putting the seat back down' a lot easier.



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:55 am    Post subject: a better mousetrap Reply with quote

I’ll second or third that and would buy a set if available.

Dean White (Tiger N81166)
Edmonds, WA 98026
dmwhite(at)e3ra.com

From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wes Chapman
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:35 AM
To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: a better mousetrap


......and another thought.

I'm mighty dang glad that folks like Gary are out there innovating and improving our frames/planes. Heck, use them often or not, i'm buying the product to keep keen minds like Gary's pushing forward. Thanks Gary.



Wes Chapman

KVDI

N74080/Tiger

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Michael W. Meyer <michael(at)flightsked.com (michael(at)flightsked.com)> wrote:
Little by little, eliminating this and that annoying thing, eventually makes a big difference in a product.


I'd buy a set.
 

Thanks,

Michael

 

 

Michael W. Meyer

 

Tiger N74086

San Francisco, CA

 

michael(at)flightsked.com (michael(at)flightsked.com)


On Jul 24, 2012, at 4:10 AM, Wes Chapman wrote:


I'm in !


w
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
Well, all I can say is that after trying it on the one installation, it's an awesome improvement over the latch thats in there. For $25 to 30 a set and about 20 minutes installation, it makes a serious difference in convenience.



Sure, like most poorly conceived designs, there is always a work around. The current latch is just one example.



"Never leave well enough alone." - Raymond Loewy. The most influential engineer of the twentieth century.
Gary

Sent from my iPad
On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:38 PM, "n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)" <n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
Quote:

I agree with Dan. I flip my seats often as sometimes I take people for rides and sometimes I carry stuff and dogs. I have never had a problem with the latches as they are.

Brock

From my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network
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To: "teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)" <teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap
Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 2:19 pm


Speaking for myself, the current latches don’t seem so bad I’d look to replace them. I only flip my back seats about once a year and find getting the back cushions on/off to be the only annoying part of the job.

Dan Schmitz
Tiger 4518B
KASH

From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:21 PM
To: Teamgrumman List
Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap

Do you think there would be any demand for a seat latch that had a thumb tab to disengage the latch? They aren't cheap to make (unless I have them made in China). I would get a PMA for them. Direct replacement.

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1709 Green Acres Drive
Vidalia, GA 30474

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Vidalia, GA 30474

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:28 am    Post subject: a better mousetrap Reply with quote

Thanks Wes. I do appreciate the kudos.
And, thank you Michael. Guys like you keep me in business.
Some of you know I'm completely redoing my interior and a firewall forward with an IO360 and constant speed prop. I've relocated wires, relays, battery, made the firewall almost void of junk. I've also changed some interior to get rid of more of the plastic. My rear console will be flat all the way to the spar. No more plastic!  The console between the seats will be different too. Can you say . . . 'cup holders?' It's a long, tedious process.
Mike, when do you want to get started on the tandem Tiger?
Also, the tail on our planes is the only real weak spot in the fuselage. I've got an idea for that too. But, not for a while. Gotta pay off two houses.
Gary
From: Wes Chapman <weschapmanpc(at)gmail.com>
To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: Re: a better mousetrap


......and another thought.
I'm mighty dang glad that folks like Gary are out there innovating and improving our frames/planes. Heck, use them often or not, i'm buying the product to keep keen minds like Gary's pushing forward. Thanks Gary.

Wes Chapman
KVDI
N74080/Tiger
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Michael W. Meyer <michael(at)flightsked.com (michael(at)flightsked.com)> wrote:
Quote:
Little by little, eliminating this and that annoying thing, eventually makes a big difference in a product.

I'd buy a set.

Thanks,
Michael


Michael W. Meyer
Tiger N74086
San Francisco, CA
michael(at)flightsked.com (michael(at)flightsked.com)



On Jul 24, 2012, at 4:10 AM, Wes Chapman wrote:

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I'm in !

w

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
Quote:
Well, all I can say is that after trying it on the one installation, it's an awesome improvement over the latch thats in there. For $25 to 30 a set and about 20 minutes installation, it makes a serious difference in convenience.


Sure, like most poorly conceived designs, there is always a work around. The current latch is just one example.
"Never leave well enough alone." - Raymond Loewy. The most influential engineer of the twentieth century.

Gary
Sent from my iPad

On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:38 PM, "n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)" <n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:


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I agree with Dan. I flip my seats often as sometimes I take people for rides and sometimes I carry stuff and dogs. I have never had a problem with the latches as they are.

Brock

From my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network

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To: "teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)" <teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap
Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 2:19 pm

Speaking for myself, the current latches don’t seem so bad I’d look to replace them. I only flip my back seats about once a year and find getting the back cushions on/off to be the only annoying part of the job.

Dan Schmitz
Tiger 4518B
KASH

From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:21 PM
To: Teamgrumman List
Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap



Do you think there would be any demand for a seat latch that had a thumb tab to disengage the latch? They aren't cheap to make (unless I have them made in China). I would get a PMA for them. Direct replacement.

I have a set installed in a customers plane as a test. I think it makes the whole 'putting the seat back down' a lot easier.




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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:30 am    Post subject: a better mousetrap Reply with quote

I'll tell the fabricator to make 20 sets. It's about all I can afford.
Thanks for your help Dean. Let me know some performance figures with that Jaguar cowling.
From: Dean White <dmwhite(at)e3ra.com>
To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: a better mousetrap


I’ll second or third that and would buy a set if available.

Dean White (Tiger N81166)
Edmonds, WA 98026
dmwhite(at)e3ra.com

From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wes Chapman
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:35 AM
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......and another thought.

I'm mighty dang glad that folks like Gary are out there innovating and improving our frames/planes. Heck, use them often or not, i'm buying the product to keep keen minds like Gary's pushing forward. Thanks Gary.



Wes Chapman

KVDI

N74080/Tiger

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Michael W. Meyer <michael(at)flightsked.com (michael(at)flightsked.com)> wrote:
Little by little, eliminating this and that annoying thing, eventually makes a big difference in a product.


I'd buy a set.


Thanks,

Michael





Michael W. Meyer



Tiger N74086

San Francisco, CA



michael(at)flightsked.com (michael(at)flightsked.com)


On Jul 24, 2012, at 4:10 AM, Wes Chapman wrote:


I'm in !


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On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
Well, all I can say is that after trying it on the one installation, it's an awesome improvement over the latch thats in there. For $25 to 30 a set and about 20 minutes installation, it makes a serious difference in convenience.



Sure, like most poorly conceived designs, there is always a work around. The current latch is just one example.



"Never leave well enough alone." - Raymond Loewy. The most influential engineer of the twentieth century.
Gary

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On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:38 PM, "n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)" <n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:

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I agree with Dan. I flip my seats often as sometimes I take people for rides and sometimes I carry stuff and dogs. I have never had a problem with the latches as they are.

Brock

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From: "Dan Schmitz" <Dan.Schmitz(at)calix.com (Dan.Schmitz(at)calix.com)>
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 2:19 pm


Speaking for myself, the current latches don’t seem so bad I’d look to replace them. I only flip my back seats about once a year and find getting the back cushions on/off to be the only annoying part of the job.

Dan Schmitz
Tiger 4518B
KASH

From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:21 PM
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Do you think there would be any demand for a seat latch that had a thumb tab to disengage the latch? They aren't cheap to make (unless I have them made in China). I would get a PMA for them. Direct replacement.

I have a set installed in a customers plane as a test. I think it makes the whole 'putting the seat back down' a lot easier.


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305 Maple Drive

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