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 Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:27 pm Post subject: Lightning Newsletter Booklets |
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A week or so ago I sent a message to the group asking if there was any interest in having published booklets or "hard copies" of all the past Lightning newsletters. I thought this might be a helpful thing to have based on the numerous times I used a similar product on aerobatics when I was building and flying my Pitts Special. It was always good to have the info available to refer to in the hangar while I was working on the Pitts or getting ready to go practice a new sequence.
Several Lightning builders responded that they would like to have this type of resource available, so I have been working with a printer in NC that I have worked with before when I needed booklets published in quantity. Anyway, if we printed all Lightning newsletters from day one (Feb 2008) to the most current one (Jan/Feb 2012) the project would be well over 1000 pages and would likely take a total of four booklets or one for 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011/2012. Unfortunately, that would be pretty expensive. Likely at least $150 for all four booklets. It could be more depending on how many folks order the books.
Based on the above, I'm thinking I will just drop the project as the cost is quite a bit more than I expected it to be. If you disagree, let me know.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:21 pm Post subject: Lightning Newsletter Booklets |
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Can't the Lightning folks just archive your booklet form for folks to download and get printed on there own? Seems the simple way out that leaves the info available.
My 2 pence- Thanks for the hard work.
Larry Romig
On 8/21/2012 5:26 PM, N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM (N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM) wrote:
[quote] A week or so ago I sent a message to the group asking if there was any interest in having published booklets or "hard copies" of all the past Lightning newsletters. I thought this might be a helpful thing to have based on the numerous times I used a similar product on aerobatics when I was building and flying my Pitts Special. It was always good to have the info available to refer to in the hangar while I was working on the Pitts or getting ready to go practice a new sequence.
Several Lightning builders responded that they would like to have this type of resource available, so I have been working with a printer in NC that I have worked with before when I needed booklets published in quantity. Anyway, if we printed all Lightning newsletters from day one (Feb 2008) to the most current one (Jan/Feb 2012) the project would be well over 1000 pages and would likely take a total of four booklets or one for 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011/2012. Unfortunately, that would be pretty expensive. Likely at least $150 for all four booklets. It could be more depending on how many folks order the books.
Based on the above, I'm thinking I will just drop the project as the cost is quite a bit more than I expected it to be. If you disagree, let me know.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:00 pm Post subject: Lightning Newsletter Booklets |
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Larry, all the past newsletters are currently on the Arion Lightning web site. You can read them there or copy each one as desired. The though, while their web site was having problems, was that it might be useful to have all of them available "in the hangar" so you could refer to them when needed. That all..... maybe solving a problem that really doesn't exist.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
In a message dated 8/21/2012 6:21:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, peteromig(at)gmail.com writes:
| Quote: | Can't the Lightning folks just archive your booklet form for folks to download and get printed on there own? Seems the simple way out that leaves the info available.
My 2 pence- Thanks for the hard work.
Larry Romig
On 8/21/2012 5:26 PM, N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM (N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM) wrote:
| Quote: | A week or so ago I sent a message to the group asking if there was any interest in having published booklets or "hard copies" of all the past Lightning newsletters. I thought this might be a helpful thing to have based on the numerous times I used a similar product on aerobatics when I was building and flying my Pitts Special. It was always good to have the info available to refer to in the hangar while I was working on the Pitts or getting ready to go practice a new sequence.
Several Lightning builders responded that they would like to have this type of resource available, so I have been working with a printer in NC that I have worked with before when I needed booklets published in quantity. Anyway, if we printed all Lightning newsletters from day one (Feb 2008) to the most current one (Jan/Feb 2012) the project would be well over 1000 pages and would likely take a total of four booklets or one for 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011/2012. Unfortunately, that would be pretty expensive. Likely at least $150 for all four booklets. It could be more depending on how many folks order the books.
Based on the above, I'm thinking I will just drop the project as the cost is quite a bit more than I expected it to be. If you disagree, let me know.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:15 pm Post subject: Lightning Newsletter Booklets |
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Hi Buz,
You're right. I don't think builders really have to have hard, printed copies, however nice that might be, as long as the newsletters and all chapters of the builder's manual are available and IF we can open the files to print them.
Many thanks for your hard work in producing the newsletters for the first three years.
Regards,
Bernardo
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Subject: Lightning Newsletter Booklets
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Date: Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 4:26 PM
A week or so ago I sent a message to the group asking if there was any interest in having published booklets or "hard copies" of all the past Lightning newsletters. I thought this might be a helpful thing to have based on the numerous times I used a similar product on aerobatics when I was building and flying my Pitts Special. It was always good to have the info available to refer to in the hangar while I was working on the Pitts or getting ready to go practice a new sequence.
Several Lightning builders responded that they would like to have this type of resource available, so I have been working with a printer in NC that I have worked with before when I needed booklets published in quantity. Anyway, if we printed all Lightning newsletters from day one (Feb 2008) to the most current one (Jan/Feb 2012) the project would be well over 1000 pages and would likely take a total of four booklets or one for 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011/2012. Unfortunately, that would be pretty expensive. Likely at least $150 for all four booklets. It could be more depending on how many folks order the books.
Based on the above, I'm thinking I will just drop the project as the cost is quite a bit more than I expected it to be. If you disagree, let me know.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
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Larzfromarz
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:06 am Post subject: Lightning Newsletter Booklets |
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But I'd agree that the booklet form( with maybe the just the technical stuff in it) is useful and the format could be on the website, sort of a Reader's Digest condensed (my parents had bookshelves full of the bound copies) version.
We'll always have to fight with sites being down which is why the hard copy is valuable. I still value having paper in my hands, I can't read a book on a Kindle or tablet as satisfyingly as an actual book. Hard to think they (books and newspapers) be museum pieces only someday. Anyway have you looked at the volume of just technical stuff compared to the a reprint of the entire newsletter? I'd expect you could reduce the number of pages significantly. If I recall correctly your newsletters had a fair amount of "rich" content (stories and the like) in addition to the technical. That or organize by the technical stuff by systems so you don't have to worry about having the right years printed. Could be as simple as airframe and engine or be divided into smaller categories. Just food for thought...
Stay well my friend-
Larry
On 8/21/2012 6:59 PM, N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM (N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM) wrote:
[quote] Larry, all the past newsletters are currently on the Arion Lightning web site. You can read them there or copy each one as desired. The though, while their web site was having problems, was that it might be useful to have all of them available "in the hangar" so you could refer to them when needed. That all..... maybe solving a problem that really doesn't exist.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
In a message dated 8/21/2012 6:21:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, peteromig(at)gmail.com (peteromig(at)gmail.com) writes:
| Quote: | Can't the Lightning folks just archive your booklet form for folks to download and get printed on there own? Seems the simple way out that leaves the info available.
My 2 pence- Thanks for the hard work.
Larry Romig
On 8/21/2012 5:26 PM, N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM (N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM) wrote:
| Quote: | A week or so ago I sent a message to the group asking if there was any interest in having published booklets or "hard copies" of all the past Lightning newsletters. I thought this might be a helpful thing to have based on the numerous times I used a similar product on aerobatics when I was building and flying my Pitts Special. It was always good to have the info available to refer to in the hangar while I was working on the Pitts or getting ready to go practice a new sequence.
Several Lightning builders responded that they would like to have this type of resource available, so I have been working with a printer in NC that I have worked with before when I needed booklets published in quantity. Anyway, if we printed all Lightning newsletters from day one (Feb 2008) to the most current one (Jan/Feb 2012) the project would be well over 1000 pages and would likely take a total of four booklets or one for 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011/2012. Unfortunately, that would be pretty expensive. Likely at least $150 for all four booklets. It could be more depending on how many folks order the books.
Based on the above, I'm thinking I will just drop the project as the cost is quite a bit more than I expected it to be. If you disagree, let me know.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:51 am Post subject: Lightning Newsletter Booklets |
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Larry,
I now understand what you were saying - and a good idea. I'll take a look at how much just including the building and technical stuff would decrease the total page count. It may take a while to get around to this "new" project, but I'll put it on my "to do" list.
Thanks,
Buz
In a message dated 8/22/2012 8:06:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, peteromig(at)gmail.com writes:
| Quote: | But I'd agree that the booklet form( with maybe the just the technical stuff in it) is useful and the format could be on the website, sort of a Reader's Digest condensed (my parents had bookshelves full of the bound copies) version.
We'll always have to fight with sites being down which is why the hard copy is valuable. I still value having paper in my hands, I can't read a book on a Kindle or tablet as satisfyingly as an actual book. Hard to think they (books and newspapers) be museum pieces only someday. Anyway have you looked at the volume of just technical stuff compared to the a reprint of the entire newsletter? I'd expect you could reduce the number of pages significantly. If I recall correctly your newsletters had a fair amount of "rich" content (stories and the like) in addition to the technical. That or organize by the technical stuff by systems so you don't have to worry about having the right years printed. Could be as simple as airframe and engine or be divided into smaller categories. Just food for thought...
Stay well my friend-
Larry
On 8/21/2012 6:59 PM, N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM (N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM) wrote:
| Quote: | Larry, all the past newsletters are currently on the Arion Lightning web site. You can read them there or copy each one as desired. The though, while their web site was having problems, was that it might be useful to have all of them available "in the hangar" so you could refer to them when needed. That all..... maybe solving a problem that really doesn't exist.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
In a message dated 8/21/2012 6:21:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, peteromig(at)gmail.com (peteromig(at)gmail.com) writes:
| Quote: | Can't the Lightning folks just archive your booklet form for folks to download and get printed on there own? Seems the simple way out that leaves the info available.
My 2 pence- Thanks for the hard work.
Larry Romig
On 8/21/2012 5:26 PM, N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM (N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM) wrote:
| Quote: | A week or so ago I sent a message to the group asking if there was any interest in having published booklets or "hard copies" of all the past Lightning newsletters. I thought this might be a helpful thing to have based on the numerous times I used a similar product on aerobatics when I was building and flying my Pitts Special. It was always good to have the info available to refer to in the hangar while I was working on the Pitts or getting ready to go practice a new sequence.
Several Lightning builders responded that they would like to have this type of resource available, so I have been working with a printer in NC that I have worked with before when I needed booklets published in quantity. Anyway, if we printed all Lightning newsletters from day one (Feb 2008) to the most current one (Jan/Feb 2012) the project would be well over 1000 pages and would likely take a total of four booklets or one for 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011/2012. Unfortunately, that would be pretty expensive. Likely at least $150 for all four booklets. It could be more depending on how many folks order the books.
Based on the above, I'm thinking I will just drop the project as the cost is quite a bit more than I expected it to be. If you disagree, let me know.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
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It seems such a lot of work to go printing, or even manually indexing newsletters when the nub of the issue is ready access to a topic, no matter where it exists. I understand people wanting hard copy in their workshop, or to take somewhere to discuss with someone else - paper will always be the best human interface, and I prefer paper too, but.......
It seems to me that customers want quick access to all entries about a problem they have with their build project so they can avoid mistakes made by others. I don't know about costs for Arion, but there are brilliant text indexing and retrieval systems available like ISYS (or Google for that matter) which would allow customers to query Arion's entire server network regardless of where the document sits and its format. So the build manual and all newsletters and the website itself (just depends on what Arion allows) can be interrogated for example on topics like "brakes, with or without a reference to Matco". The customer sees a list of all entries like a web-based Google answer, can open in read-only and print if required, and in sub-second response times.
If made available to customers only, the cost could be spread across that community minimising Arion's licence fees (I've no idea of likely costs) and it could probably be less than the per person printing costs Buz is being quoted. Alternately Arion could do it as a value-add service for everyone, and reap the benefits of ensuring they have perfect version controls over their manuals by never over-looking a technical reference to any topic during upgrades or cross referencing.
ISYS was an Aussie software product I came across in 1989 at KPMG and it has this year been sold to Lexmark. It's used by US Homeland Security, the Las Vegas Police and many other sites worldwide, so has the credentials. It will index Autocad as well as hundreds of file formats.
http://www.isys-search.com/products/document-filters
As others here have said, only negative is web downtime when it occurs, but ease and elegance of access knowing you've found every reference is surely the point, 24x7 globally. Lots of trees saved too!
Oh, and no I don't have shares in it. Someone with better knowhow might be able to source a better product/price point. Always enjoy reading the forum, but rarely post anything, so sorry for this rather long one.
Cheers everyone, Paul Smith, Angaston, Sth Aussie.
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Hi Paul,
Although I'm not sure I totally understand all the intricate details of your suggestion, it sure sounds like a super idea. Certainly your point about quick access is what will be most important to the customer. But is this (ISYS) something the individual would need to have or is it something that Arion would have on their web site? Sorry, but I have not heard of ISYS before, but it sure sounds promising.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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It seems such a lot of work to go printing, or even manually indexing newsletters when the nub of the issue is ready access to a topic, no matter where it exists. I understand people wanting hard copy in their workshop, or to take somewhere to discuss with someone else - paper will always be the best human interface, and I prefer paper too, but.......
It seems to me that customers want quick access to all entries about a problem they have with their build project so they can avoid mistakes made by others. I don't know about costs for Arion, but there are brilliant text indexing and retrieval systems available like ISYS (or Google for that matter) which would allow customers to query Arion's entire server network regardless of where the document sits and its format. So the build manual and all newsletters and the website itself (just depends on what Arion allows) can be interrogated for example on topics like "brakes, with or without a reference to Matco". The customer sees a list of all entries like a web-based Google answer, can open in read-only and print if required, and in sub-second response times.
If made available to customers only, the cost could be spread across that community minimising Arion's licence fees (I've no idea of likely costs) and it could probably be less than the per person printing costs Buz is being quoted. Alternately Arion could do it as a value-add service for everyone, and reap the benefits of ensuring they have perfect version controls over their manuals by never over-looking a technical reference to any topic during upgrades or cross referencing.
ISYS was an Aussie software product I came across in 1989 at KPMG and it has this year been sold to Lexmark. It's used by US Homeland Security, the Las Vegas Police and many other sites worldwide, so has the credentials. It will index Autocad as well as hundreds of file formats.
http://www.isys-search.com/products/document-filters
As others here have said, only negative is web downtime when it occurs, but ease and elegance of access knowing you've found every reference is surely the point, 24x7 globally. Lots of trees saved too!
Oh, and no I don't have shares in it. Someone with better knowhow might be able to source a better product/price point. Always enjoy reading the forum, but rarely post anything, so sorry for this rather long one.
Cheers everyone, Paul Smith, Angaston, Sth Aussie.
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I'll do some research Buz and let you know.
Cheers.
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