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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:29 am Post subject: Brake Pads?

Desser Tire http://vansaircrafttires.com/

Skygeek.com

Aircraft Spruce

Van's



I've bought from them all.  Desser has the Rapco pads.

For the Cleveland's you'd go to the other places.



Tim





On 3/21/2012 9:08 AM, Jim Combs wrote:

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		   I am looking for a supplier of brake pads for the -10. I have rivets

 and the rivet tool to set them.



 Anyone got a good supplier they could recommend or not?



 Jim Combs (N312F - 350 hours)

Rv10flyer(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:38 am Post subject: Brake Pads?

Desser has a RV-10 specific page.

They sell pads, rapco I believe.

On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:08 AM, Jim Combs <jiminlexky(at)gmail.com (jiminlexky(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



[quote]I am looking for a supplier of brake pads for the -10. I have rivets 

and the rivet tool to set them.



Anyone got a good supplier they could recommend or not?



Jim Combs (N312F - 350 hours)



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Ron B.

Joined: 17 Feb 2009
Posts: 103
Location: Nova Scotia

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Brake Pads?

I don't see the RV-10 pads listed on Desser's site. Am I missing them or are they no longer available.

Thanks Ron

Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Brake Pads?

Ron, as posted also on VAF, Rapco is apparently no longer making them. I emailed Desser a few months ago and they did not have any, and did not know if or when  they ever would.

But, the Rapco pads for the 10 were still twice as expensive as the pads for any other RV, just a few dollars less than the Clevelands ($19 per pad from Chief, with no rivets included).

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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB

rnewman(at)tcwtech.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:09 pm Post subject: Brake Pads?

You are not missing anything.    I called them to order the Rapco pads and 

got the following story when I then called Rapco.     They are going to have 

the brake pads, hopefully in the next few weeks.   They made an initial set 

for PMA qualification testing,  but haven't made any since as they await the 

FAA approval.    The initial build were the ones that some folks were able 

to buy, but now are out of stock.      They told me the testing was complete 

and they were awaiting the paperwork,  so perhaps they will actually be 

available soon.   Also,  they led me to believe the price would be coming 

down to about $12 per lining.



Bob Newman

N541RV



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rv10flyer

Joined: 25 Aug 2009
Posts: 364

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: Brake Pads?

When someone hears they are available again, please post. 



I am only at 76.9 hrs, but I like keeping spares on hand of oil filter/oil/tires/tubes/pads/start & master contactors/fuel selector valve/prop oring/caliper oring. I have all but pads and caliper oring in case someone gets in a bind and is near S. Ohio.

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Wayne G.

Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:07 pm Post subject: Brake Pads?

What kind of life are folks experiencing with their brake pads? I would 

hope at least 300 hours, perhaps more.



On 9/3/2012 6:16 PM, rv10flyer wrote:

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 When someone hears they are available again, please post.



 I am only at 76.9 hrs, but I like keeping spares on hand of oil filter/oil/tires/tubes/pads/start & master contactors/fuel selector valve/prop oring/caliper oring. I have all but pads and caliper oring in case someone gets in a bind and is near S. Ohio.



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Kelly McMullen
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Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 502
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:31 pm Post subject: Brake Pads?

Of course we all think we are good on our brakes but I "believe" I have been 

pretty easy on mine.  I have been mostly landing on long runways and not 

needing to get on them.  When I finally replaced mine they were literally 

1/128 from the rivets.  I looked at them around 190 flight hours and thought 

I had some room for more flights when I probably should have replaced them. 

Mine started to grab so I cleaned them up replaced the O-ring and liners at 

247 hours.  As you recall Kelly, you replied to my question about replacing 

the parts but all I needed to do was replace the liners, O-rings and bleed 

them.  I used that lube you recommended and so far they have worked great. 

I think when the puck was close to the end of its travel it was causing the 

assembly to wedge against the rotor causing it to rub and stick.  So I would 

say around 200 flight hours the liners should be replaced.  I guess it would 

be more accurate to look at cycles but I haven't calculated that yet.



On another note we all have heard from Vans that lower pressure was better 

for vibration.  I filled my tires up to 50psi and they work really good this 

way.  I built the gear leg stiffeners out of wood and glassed them in.  It 

really resolved the vibration except for days I was extremely light.  When I 

was really light I still felt a little vibration on my right gear leg.  Now 

I have 50 PSI in the tires and absolutely no vibration.

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robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:22 pm Post subject: Brake Pads?

I run a little higher psi too and have no shimmy with no stiffeners. I usually fly solo but rarely land with less than half tanks.

I have a feeling that most -10 pilots will go through their first set of pads a lot faster than subsequent sets due to knowing your craft better. Drive that plane with your heels on the floor as much as you can.



Robin 



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rv10flyer(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:59 am Post subject: Brake Pads?

My contact is out this week but I'll follow-up next week and see if I can 

get a status on the pads. I thought he told me he was getting a new supply 

after OSH, maybe he sold off that stock already, which is surprising 

considering how many he was getting. Supposedly the "old" stock was far more 

durable than the new ones Rapco is working on getting certified or 

something. A few months back Rapco mentioned that the new ones would be out 

by SnF, than it was OSH.

Hopefully I'll be able to get a more official response on options by next 

week.

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scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:37 pm Post subject: Brake Pads?

I typically fly between 100 - 200 hours per year and put new pads on every annual.  My first two years I flew 250 hours and I replaced them at 230 hours. 



http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=149271#post149271

It is a pretty cheap item compared to the problems it may cause when your  on a trip away from your tools.  If you replaced them at 200 hours you would probably be safe and could start to extend the time depending on your flying and braking.  



 

Scott Schmidtscottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com



[quote]        From: Pascal <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com 

 Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 9:58 AM

 Subject: Re: Re: Brake Pads?

  

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net (rv10flyer(at)verizon.net)>



My contact is out this week but I'll follow-up next week and see if I can get a status on the pads. I thought he told me he was getting a new supply after OSH, maybe he sold off that stock already, which is surprising considering how many he was getting. Supposedly the "old" stock was far more durable than the new ones Rapco is working on getting certified or something. A few months back Rapco mentioned that the new ones would be out by SnF, than it was OSH.

Hopefully I'll be able to get a more official response on options by next week.

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:08 pm Post subject: Brake Pads?

Yeah, I agree with Scott, I don't do them exactly at annual, but more

based on hours in service.  But, while I don't remember the time I

put on for the first set, something tells me it was about 170 hours

and that was just enough for me to hit the rivets on one side and

grind a groove in my disk.  I got less hard on brakes after that

first year, so Scott's 200 or so is probably a real good number

as a maximum for your first year with an RV-10.  You MAY be able

to squeak a little more life out of them, but my guess is that most

builders should probably plan to replace BY 150 on their first

year....get a good measurement, change your bad habits, and maybe

shoot for a max of 200-250 after you learn how to be conservative

on brakes.  Then you should do OK.



FWIW, this is why I am not a person who puts an air-fill hole in

my wheel fairings.  If you use leakguard tubes, you only need to

fill up every 9 months or so anyway, so if I pull the fairings

every spring and fall, it gives me at minimum, 2 times a year

when I can inspect the linings. If I had a fill hole, I'd be

more tempted to just "fill er up" and keep flying without inspecting

the linings.  Probably cause more harm than the convenience is worth.

Tim

On 9/7/2012 3:36 PM, Scott Schmidt wrote:

[quote] I typically fly between 100 - 200 hours per year and put new pads on

 every annual.  My first two years I flew 250 hours and I replaced them

 at 230 hours.

 http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=149271#post149271



 It is a pretty cheap item compared to the problems it may cause when

 your on a trip away from your tools.  If you replaced them at 200 hours

 you would probably be safe and could start to extend the time depending

 on your flying and braking.

 Scott Schmidt

 scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com



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     *From:* Pascal <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>

     *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

     *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2012 9:58 AM

     *Subject:* Re: Re: Brake Pads?



     

     <mailto:rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>>



     My contact is out this week but I'll follow-up next week and see if

     I can get a status on the pads. I thought he told me he was getting

     a new supply after OSH, maybe he sold off that stock already, which

     is surprising considering how many he was getting. Supposedly the

     "old" stock was far more durable than the new ones Rapco is working

     on getting certified or something. A few months back Rapco mentioned

     that the new ones would be out by SnF, than it was OSH.

     Hopefully I'll be able to get a more official response on options by

     next week.

     --

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:15 pm Post subject: Brake Pads?

I would agree with this as well, except that you can inspect the brake linings with a mirror and flashlight. I like the fill hole. 



Do not archive. 



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On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Yeah, I agree with Scott, I don't do them exactly at annual, but more

 based on hours in service.  But, while I don't remember the time I

 put on for the first set, something tells me it was about 170 hours

 and that was just enough for me to hit the rivets on one side and

 grind a groove in my disk.  I got less hard on brakes after that

 first year, so Scott's 200 or so is probably a real good number

 as a maximum for your first year with an RV-10.  You MAY be able

 to squeak a little more life out of them, but my guess is that most

 builders should probably plan to replace BY 150 on their first

 year....get a good measurement, change your bad habits, and maybe

 shoot for a max of 200-250 after you learn how to be conservative

 on brakes.  Then you should do OK.

 

 FWIW, this is why I am not a person who puts an air-fill hole in

 my wheel fairings.  If you use leakguard tubes, you only need to

 fill up every 9 months or so anyway, so if I pull the fairings

 every spring and fall, it gives me at minimum, 2 times a year

 when I can inspect the linings. If I had a fill hole, I'd be

 more tempted to just "fill er up" and keep flying without inspecting

 the linings.  Probably cause more harm than the convenience is worth.

 Tim

Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 502
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Brake Pads?

Update on brake pads.



I just ordered four more to have on hand from Aircraft Spruce.  They came a week later.  They are Cleveland liners and they come with rivets.  The part number is 66-112. You have to actually search for this number instead of the description.  Also, you have to go to the Cleveland part area and choose it from the drop down menu.  Expensive though at 21.75 a pad with rivets.



Here is a link



http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/cleve_brklining.php

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RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
780 Hours
SuperSTOL 60 hours

Ron B.

Joined: 17 Feb 2009
Posts: 103
Location: Nova Scotia

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Brake Pads?

Just received two kits from Van's today, $88 for a set of four and rivets.

Ron

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