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n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:25 am Post subject: Garmin 696 XM music question

I have a Garmin 696 with XM music and I can't seem to get the sound loud enough to hear consistently.  I have it going into the music input of an Apollo SL-15 audio panel.  



What I need is a way to amplify the output of the 696.  Does anyone have any ideas?  I thought I heard of a way to add a resistor or diode or something somewhere and it would increase the output??  



Any advice would be greatly appreciated.



-Mike Kraus

KitFox SS7 building

RV-10 Built and Flying

RV-4 Built, Flying and sold 



Sent from my iPad

jump2(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:09 am Post subject: Garmin 696 XM music question

I have the same in my c310 I'll look it up tomorrow and check what I can.

Patrick Thyssen 

N15pt 

Down waiting on new engine



Sent from my iPad



On Sep 16, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 I have a Garmin 696 with XM music and I can't seem to get the sound loud enough to hear consistently.  I have it going into the music input of an Apollo SL-15 audio panel.  

 

 What I need is a way to amplify the output of the 696.  Does anyone have any ideas?  I thought I heard of a way to add a resistor or diode or something somewhere and it would increase the output??  

 

 Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

 -Mike Kraus

 KitFox SS7 building

 RV-10 Built and Flying

 RV-4 Built, Flying and sold 

 

 Sent from my iPad

rene(at)felker.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:17 am Post subject: Garmin 696 XM music question

Radio shack sells audio amplifiers.....I think they are around $20.  They

are battery operated.



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rick.mcbride(at)me.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:37 am Post subject: Garmin 696 XM music question

I can't speak for the Apollo audio panel but my Garmin audio panel required a minor modification to increase the XM volume out of my 396 and 496 units.  My local avionics shop did the mod for a minimal cost.



Rick McBride

RV-6 finished '92 sold '97

RV-8 finished '04 630 hours and climbing

RV-10 started 9/12



On Sep 16, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Rene <rene(at)felker.com> wrote:



[quote] 

 

 Radio shack sells audio amplifiers.....I think they are around $20.  They

 are battery operated.

 

 --

n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:55 am Post subject: Garmin 696 XM music question

That's what I'm looking for...  What was the mod???

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2012, at 2:35 PM, Richard McBride <rick.mcbride(at)me.com> wrote:

[quote] 

 I can't speak for the Apollo audio panel but my Garmin audio panel required a minor modification to increase the XM volume out of my 396 and 496 units.  My local avionics shop did the mod for a minimal cost.

 Rick McBride

 RV-6 finished '92 sold '97

 RV-8 finished '04 630 hours and climbing

 RV-10 started 9/12

 On Sep 16, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Rene <rene(at)felker.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> Radio shack sells audio amplifiers.....I think they are around $20.  They

> are battery operated.

> 

> --

rick.mcbride(at)me.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:11 am Post subject: Garmin 696 XM music question

Let me do some research.  The mod instructions came with the unit if I recall.  I need to look through my files.



Rick



On Sep 16, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> wrote:



[quote] 

 

 That's what I'm looking for...  What was the mod???

 

 Sent from my iPhone

 

 On Sep 16, 2012, at 2:35 PM, Richard McBride <rick.mcbride(at)me.com> wrote:

 

> 

> 

> I can't speak for the Apollo audio panel but my Garmin audio panel required a minor modification to increase the XM volume out of my 396 and 496 units.  My local avionics shop did the mod for a minimal cost.

> 

> Rick McBride

> RV-6 finished '92 sold '97

> RV-8 finished '04 630 hours and climbing

> RV-10 started 9/12

> 

> On Sep 16, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Rene <rene(at)felker.com> wrote:

> 

>> 

>> 

>> Radio shack sells audio amplifiers.....I think they are around $20.  They

>> are battery operated.

>> 

>> --

rick.mcbride(at)me.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:57 am Post subject: Garmin 696 XM music question

The only details I could find are in the installation manual.  For the Garmin 340 panel there were two mods (2 & 5) that both claim to boost the music audio. The manual doesn't provide any details on either mod.  As I mentioned, my local shop did the work.  I have no idea if these type of mods apply to your Apollo.  A call to your local avionics shop might help.  Sorry I can't be of any more help.

Rick

On Sep 16, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> wrote:

[quote] 

 That's what I'm looking for...  What was the mod???

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 16, 2012, at 2:35 PM, Richard McBride <rick.mcbride(at)me.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> I can't speak for the Apollo audio panel but my Garmin audio panel required a minor modification to increase the XM volume out of my 396 and 496 units.  My local avionics shop did the mod for a minimal cost.

> 

> Rick McBride

> RV-6 finished '92 sold '97

> RV-8 finished '04 630 hours and climbing

> RV-10 started 9/12

> 

> On Sep 16, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Rene <rene(at)felker.com> wrote:

> 

>> 

>> 

>> Radio shack sells audio amplifiers.....I think they are around $20.  They

>> are battery operated.

>> 

>> --

dave.saylor.aircrafters(a
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject: Garmin 696 XM music question

Mike,



Here's a write-up I did a few years ago on the Aeroelectric list.

This pertains to the 496 but maybe it's similar.  Hope it helps.



Message: #38783

From: "Dave Saylor" <Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.com>

Subject: 496 Audio

Date: Nov 01, 2007



Marty and all, We learned a bunch today about audio out from the

Garmin 496 that could be helpful. I had a harness built by Stark to

allow me to put audio from the power/data chord from a 2/3/496 into

unswitched audio in my GMA340 audio panel. Seemed like a simple thing,

but we never got any audio from the power/data chord. Audio jack, yes,

data chord, no. Turns out the audio from the power/data cable is to

drive an 8 ohm speaker. I learned that by taking apart a Garmin 12V

adapter/speaker and reading the back of the $.05 speaker inside: Made

in China, 8 Ohms, 2/3W. The audio panel was looking for a 600 ohm

input. Interestingly, Garmin told told both John and me that the only

audio coming out of the 496, in aviation mode, was from the audio

jack(3/496s have a 1/8" audio jack, which outputs XM audio, and all

the warnings, as well as "Voice +" and "Voice -" wires in the

power/data cable). Garmin said not even to bother trying to get audio

from the Voice wires while in aviation mode. It did not exist. Well,

it does exist because it plays just fine with the speaker/12V adapter

plugged in. I put the unit in sim mode and flew into a mountain. The

speaker gives every warning you would expect, and the "Sound" page of

the Setup menu controls the audio as you would expect. With a jack

inserted into the audio plug, the XM audio is turned off to the

power/data chord but all the warnings still come through. Which is

nice, because if you wire the unit per Garmin's advice, and run the

audio jack into the music input of the audio panel, your terrain

warnings will get muted by intercom activity or incoming

transmissions. I want to know about those pesky mountains, even if it

interupts music playing in the background... Now my problem is to

figure out how to convert the 8 ohm signal from the power/data chord

to 600 ohms. I guess I need a transformer. I found a 8 ohm to 1000

ohm, with center tap, at radio shack...can anyone tell me if that will

work? How do I wire it? Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way

Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com

Dave Saylor

831-750-0284 CL

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Michael Kraus

<n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 



 I have a Garmin 696 with XM music and I can't seem to get the sound loud enough to hear consistently.  I have it going into the music input of an Apollo SL-15 audio panel.



 What I need is a way to amplify the output of the 696.  Does anyone have any ideas?  I thought I heard of a way to add a resistor or diode or something somewhere and it would increase the output??



 Any advice would be greatly appreciated.



 -Mike Kraus

 KitFox SS7 building

 RV-10 Built and Flying

 RV-4 Built, Flying and sold 



 Sent from my iPad

jjessen01

Joined: 27 Sep 2010
Posts: 50

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:35 pm Post subject: Garmin 696 XM music question

Dave, did you ever get it to work?

On Sep 16, 2012, at 1:06 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Mike,

 Here's a write-up I did a few years ago on the Aeroelectric list.

 This pertains to the 496 but maybe it's similar.  Hope it helps.

 Message: #38783

 From: "Dave Saylor" <Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.com>

 Subject: 496 Audio

 Date: Nov 01, 2007

 Marty and all, We learned a bunch today about audio out from the

 Garmin 496 that could be helpful. I had a harness built by Stark to

 allow me to put audio from the power/data chord from a 2/3/496 into

 unswitched audio in my GMA340 audio panel. Seemed like a simple thing,

 but we never got any audio from the power/data chord. Audio jack, yes,

 data chord, no. Turns out the audio from the power/data cable is to

 drive an 8 ohm speaker. I learned that by taking apart a Garmin 12V

 adapter/speaker and reading the back of the $.05 speaker inside: Made

 in China, 8 Ohms, 2/3W. The audio panel was looking for a 600 ohm

 input. Interestingly, Garmin told told both John and me that the only

 audio coming out of the 496, in aviation mode, was from the audio

 jack(3/496s have a 1/8" audio jack, which outputs XM audio, and all

 the warnings, as well as "Voice +" and "Voice -" wires in the

 power/data cable). Garmin said not even to bother trying to get audio

 from the Voice wires while in aviation mode. It did not exist. Well,

 it does exist because it plays just fine with the speaker/12V adapter

 plugged in. I put the unit in sim mode and flew into a mountain. The

 speaker gives every warning you would expect, and the "Sound" page of

 the Setup menu controls the audio as you would expect. With a jack

 inserted into the audio plug, the XM audio is turned off to the

 power/data chord but all the warnings still come through. Which is

 nice, because if you wire the unit per Garmin's advice, and run the

 audio jack into the music input of the audio panel, your terrain

 warnings will get muted by intercom activity or incoming

 transmissions. I want to know about those pesky mountains, even if it

 interupts music playing in the background... Now my problem is to

 figure out how to convert the 8 ohm signal from the power/data chord

 to 600 ohms. I guess I need a transformer. I found a 8 ohm to 1000

 ohm, with center tap, at radio shack...can anyone tell me if that will

 work? How do I wire it? Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way

 Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com

 Dave Saylor

 831-750-0284 CL

 On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Michael Kraus

 <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> I have a Garmin 696 with XM music and I can't seem to get the sound loud enough to hear consistently.  I have it going into the music input of an Apollo SL-15 audio panel.

> 

> What I need is a way to amplify the output of the 696.  Does anyone have any ideas?  I thought I heard of a way to add a resistor or diode or something somewhere and it would increase the output??

> 

> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> 

> -Mike Kraus

> KitFox SS7 building

> RV-10 Built and Flying

> RV-4 Built, Flying and sold 

> 

> Sent from my iPad

> 

> 

> 

>

dave.saylor.aircrafters(a
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:39 pm Post subject: Garmin 696 XM music question

Dang, I didn't mean to leave you in suspense... I shoulda read it again!



We did get it working, not with a transformer but by using just the

voice + and letting it ground via the "regular" ground, not "voice -".

 The rational was that the voice +/- was meant to drive a speaker so

"voice -" is actually a signal opposite the hi side, not just zero.

I'm in a little over my head but I'm sure some audio folks can

describe it better.



Dave Saylor

831-750-0284 CL

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 1:35 PM, John Jessen <n212pj(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Dave, did you ever get it to work?



 On Sep 16, 2012, at 1:06 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> wrote:



> 

>

> Mike,

>

> Here's a write-up I did a few years ago on the Aeroelectric list.

> This pertains to the 496 but maybe it's similar.  Hope it helps.

>

> Message: #38783

> From: "Dave Saylor" <Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.com>

> Subject: 496 Audio

> Date: Nov 01, 2007

>

> Marty and all, We learned a bunch today about audio out from the

> Garmin 496 that could be helpful. I had a harness built by Stark to

> allow me to put audio from the power/data chord from a 2/3/496 into

> unswitched audio in my GMA340 audio panel. Seemed like a simple thing,

> but we never got any audio from the power/data chord. Audio jack, yes,

> data chord, no. Turns out the audio from the power/data cable is to

> drive an 8 ohm speaker. I learned that by taking apart a Garmin 12V

> adapter/speaker and reading the back of the $.05 speaker inside: Made

> in China, 8 Ohms, 2/3W. The audio panel was looking for a 600 ohm

> input. Interestingly, Garmin told told both John and me that the only

> audio coming out of the 496, in aviation mode, was from the audio

> jack(3/496s have a 1/8" audio jack, which outputs XM audio, and all

> the warnings, as well as "Voice +" and "Voice -" wires in the

> power/data cable). Garmin said not even to bother trying to get audio

> from the Voice wires while in aviation mode. It did not exist. Well,

> it does exist because it plays just fine with the speaker/12V adapter

> plugged in. I put the unit in sim mode and flew into a mountain. The

> speaker gives every warning you would expect, and the "Sound" page of

> the Setup menu controls the audio as you would expect. With a jack

> inserted into the audio plug, the XM audio is turned off to the

> power/data chord but all the warnings still come through. Which is

> nice, because if you wire the unit per Garmin's advice, and run the

> audio jack into the music input of the audio panel, your terrain

> warnings will get muted by intercom activity or incoming

> transmissions. I want to know about those pesky mountains, even if it

> interupts music playing in the background... Now my problem is to

> figure out how to convert the 8 ohm signal from the power/data chord

> to 600 ohms. I guess I need a transformer. I found a 8 ohm to 1000

> ohm, with center tap, at radio shack...can anyone tell me if that will

> work? How do I wire it? Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way

> Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com

> Dave Saylor

> 831-750-0284 CL

> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Michael Kraus

> <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> wrote:

>>

>> 

>>

>> I have a Garmin 696 with XM music and I can't seem to get the sound loud enough to hear consistently.  I have it going into the music input of an Apollo SL-15 audio panel.

>>

>> What I need is a way to amplify the output of the 696.  Does anyone have any ideas?  I thought I heard of a way to add a resistor or diode or something somewhere and it would increase the output??

>>

>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

>>

>> -Mike Kraus

>> KitFox SS7 building

>> RV-10 Built and Flying

>> RV-4 Built, Flying and sold 

>>

>> Sent from my iPad

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Garmin 696 XM music question

The radio shack transformer should work okay. Cut the center tap off. Of course you'll need two for stereo.



Early Garmin 340 panels didn't have sufficient gain for the usual audio sources, whether ipad, CD, xm, etc. Garmin had a fix which required you to go to a dealer, where they soldered in one or two new resistors to increase the gain. Later 340 panels brought the fix out to a pin in the back, ground it to increase the gain. The reason it's an option is that along with the higher gain comes more noise. It is really poor engineering when you can hear electronic noise in an airplane!



I cannot comment on later Garmin panels, nor the Apollo/UPS.

_________________
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB

n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:31 pm Post subject: Garmin 696 XM music question

Dave,



I get the voice to work fine, it's just the music output that cuts in and out due to not enough output.  I have a small iPod amplifier that I temporarily hooked up and it does solve the problem, but the design of it is not something I'd like to try and incorporate.



Did your solution fix voice and music?  Or just voice transmissions?



Thank you

-Mike



Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Dang, I didn't mean to leave you in suspense... I shoulda read it again!

 

 We did get it working, not with a transformer but by using just the

 voice + and letting it ground via the "regular" ground, not "voice -".

 The rational was that the voice +/- was meant to drive a speaker so

 "voice -" is actually a signal opposite the hi side, not just zero.

 I'm in a little over my head but I'm sure some audio folks can

 describe it better.

 

 Dave Saylor

 831-750-0284 CL

 

 

 On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 1:35 PM, John Jessen <n212pj(at)gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> Dave, did you ever get it to work?

> 

> On Sep 16, 2012, at 1:06 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> wrote:

> 

>> 

>> 

>> Mike,

>> 

>> Here's a write-up I did a few years ago on the Aeroelectric list.

>> This pertains to the 496 but maybe it's similar.  Hope it helps.

>> 

>> Message: #38783

>> From: "Dave Saylor" <Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.com>

>> Subject: 496 Audio

>> Date: Nov 01, 2007

>> 

>> Marty and all, We learned a bunch today about audio out from the

>> Garmin 496 that could be helpful. I had a harness built by Stark to

>> allow me to put audio from the power/data chord from a 2/3/496 into

>> unswitched audio in my GMA340 audio panel. Seemed like a simple thing,

>> but we never got any audio from the power/data chord. Audio jack, yes,

>> data chord, no. Turns out the audio from the power/data cable is to

>> drive an 8 ohm speaker. I learned that by taking apart a Garmin 12V

>> adapter/speaker and reading the back of the $.05 speaker inside: Made

>> in China, 8 Ohms, 2/3W. The audio panel was looking for a 600 ohm

>> input. Interestingly, Garmin told told both John and me that the only

>> audio coming out of the 496, in aviation mode, was from the audio

>> jack(3/496s have a 1/8" audio jack, which outputs XM audio, and all

>> the warnings, as well as "Voice +" and "Voice -" wires in the

>> power/data cable). Garmin said not even to bother trying to get audio

>> from the Voice wires while in aviation mode. It did not exist. Well,

>> it does exist because it plays just fine with the speaker/12V adapter

>> plugged in. I put the unit in sim mode and flew into a mountain. The

>> speaker gives every warning you would expect, and the "Sound" page of

>> the Setup menu controls the audio as you would expect. With a jack

>> inserted into the audio plug, the XM audio is turned off to the

>> power/data chord but all the warnings still come through. Which is

>> nice, because if you wire the unit per Garmin's advice, and run the

>> audio jack into the music input of the audio panel, your terrain

>> warnings will get muted by intercom activity or incoming

>> transmissions. I want to know about those pesky mountains, even if it

>> interupts music playing in the background... Now my problem is to

>> figure out how to convert the 8 ohm signal from the power/data chord

>> to 600 ohms. I guess I need a transformer. I found a 8 ohm to 1000

>> ohm, with center tap, at radio shack...can anyone tell me if that will

>> work? How do I wire it? Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way

>> Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com

>> 

>> 

>> Dave Saylor

>> 831-750-0284 CL

>> 

>> 

>> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Michael Kraus

>> <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> wrote:

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I have a Garmin 696 with XM music and I can't seem to get the sound loud enough to hear consistently.  I have it going into the music input of an Apollo SL-15 audio panel.

>>> 

>>> What I need is a way to amplify the output of the 696.  Does anyone have any ideas?  I thought I heard of a way to add a resistor or diode or something somewhere and it would increase the output??

>>> 

>>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

>>> 

>>> -Mike Kraus

>>> KitFox SS7 building

>>> RV-10 Built and Flying

>>> RV-4 Built, Flying and sold 

>>> 

>>> Sent from my iPad

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

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