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LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:33 am Post subject: The biggest lie of Campaign 2012

Please do not waste valuable bandwidth on this aviation forum with political messages.



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Lynn Cole

LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net (LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net)



 

 

On Sep 17, 2012, at 4:31 PM, RScott wrote:

[quote]--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: RScott <rscott(at)cascadeaccess.com (rscott(at)cascadeaccess.com)>



We knew that idiot Obama's budget was bogus from the beginning, but it's even worse!  The article doesn't get to the important stuff for several paragraphs.



http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/the-biggest-lie-of-campaign-2012-16         - The   -->             &n========================

bob.verwey(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:03 pm Post subject: The biggest lie of Campaign 2012

These people should be barred from the forum...



On 18/09/2012, Lynn Cole <LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Please do not waste valuable bandwidth on this aviation forum with political

 messages.



 Do not archive.

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 Lynn Cole

 LynnCole(at)foxvalley.net

 On Sep 17, 2012, at 4:31 PM, RScott wrote:



> 

> <rscott(at)cascadeaccess.com>

>

> We knew that idiot Obama's budget was bogus from the beginning, but it's

> even worse!  The article doesn't get to the important stuff for several

> paragraphs.

>

> http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/the-biggest-lie-of-campaign-2012-169941296.html

>

>

nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:57 am Post subject: The biggest lie of Campaign 2012

At 04:31 PM 9/17/2012, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



We knew that idiot Obama's budget was bogus from the beginning, but 

it's even worse!  The article doesn't get to the important stuff for 

several paragraphs.



http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/the-biggest-lie-of-campaign-2012-169941296.html


	




<rscott(at)cascadeaccess.com> is not presently subscribed to

any lists on Matronics. The posting of the original message

was to a number of 'undisclosed recipients' on R Scott's Bcc

file. More likely than not, the AeroElectric-List was accidently

included in that file.



The very BEST thing to do with/about such events is delete and

ignore. It serves little purpose to chastise the accidental poster

and even less purpose to hammer zealots for any cause. Just

cruise thought a few 'flame wars' being conducted on UseNet and

grieve for the waste of what might otherwise be productive time.



Off topic postings should be afforded an expenditure of $time$

commensurate with the value you derive from the posting. If it's

zero . . . then send it off to the trash and get on with more

important business.

   Bob . . .

dick(at)minetfiber.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:11 am Post subject: The biggest lie of Campaign 2012

Bob;



    You wisdom is refreshing.



Dick Wildman



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deej(at)deej.net
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:47 am Post subject: The biggest lie of Campaign 2012

On 09/19/2012 10:56 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Off topic postings should be afforded an expenditure of $time$

 commensurate with the value you derive from the posting. If it's

 zero . . . then send it off to the trash and get on with more

 important business.


	


	The fundamental issue is that it is not zero.  One person expends a

small amount of time sending the "off topic" political message, and then

hundreds of us have to ignore and delete it.  That amounts to a rather

huge amount of wasted $time$ and effort when added together.



	I'd like to request a "One strike, You're out" policy from now until

mid-November.  Specifically, one political posting to the Aeroelectric

list gets you banned from the list at least until after the elections.



	I'll even volunteer my $time$ to play moderator to help keep on top of

these offenders, and I bet several other people would also be willing to

help.



	Frankly, I'm getting so sick and tired of going through this several

times per year that it is worth it for me to spend the $time$ to help

deal with the problem, and help so others don't have to.



-Dj



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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:51 am Post subject: The biggest lie of Campaign 2012

I'd like to request a "One strike, You're out" policy from now until

mid-November.  Specifically, one political posting to the Aeroelectric

list gets you banned from the list at least until after the elections.



    First, we are immersed in a sea of 'noise' from all

    directions on a host of venues. Just driving down the

    street . . . how many objects within view are demanding

    not only your attention . . . but hoping for some response

    that is beneficial to their cause?  I cannot recall

    the last time that any invasive advertiser's efforts

    induced me to part with my cash in exchange for their

    intrusion into my head.



    Such advertisers DEPEND on human frailties that preclude

    picking out the good stuff from the noise.

         I'll even volunteer my $time$ to play moderator to help keep on top of

these offenders, and I bet several other people would also be willing to

help.



         Frankly, I'm getting so sick and tired of going through this several

times per year that it is worth it for me to spend the $time$ to help

deal with the problem, and help so others don't have to.

    I'm sorry that it's been so taxing of your resources and

    emotional capital. We don't even have a convenient mechanism

    for electronically banning such individuals. In most every case

    I recall, the offending individual made an accidental posting for

    which they apologized. The sad reality is the number of keystrokes

    expended in response to the accidents. In the case before

    us, the poster appears to be a hit-and-run . . . is already

    un-subscribed either by their own action or Matt having

    manually edited an approved posters list. I don't even

    care to know which.



    For us to rise to active defense of such behaviors may

    well be exactly what the poster wants. Look at result for

    one individual bringing explosives onto an airplane in

    his shoe . . . or underwear. One act stirs millions to

    excited, no-value-added responses in perpetuity. The honorable

    folks corralled one turkey-butt while subscribing to

    never ending tariff on that 'victory'.



    These individuals are worthy of no more time and attention

    than the next blindingly bright, giant screen billboard

    you pass. If we can teach ourselves how to understand the

    weak signal from ATC immersed in wind, prop and sheet metal

    noise, we can learn to ignore the occasional intruder to the

    List. I think the last thing we want to do is create a

    Listserver Security Administration . . . it would only

    serve to sanction those guilty of accident while shooing

    the real perps off to more fertile ground. Not, I think,

    a good use of our time.

   Bob . . .

Bill Allen

Joined: 24 Aug 2009
Posts: 42
Location: UK

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:16 am Post subject: The biggest lie of Campaign 2012

Bob,



an astoundingly balanced, considered and proportionate response. Well said!

In this medium, the delete key is all the response we need......

Bill Allen

 

On 19 September 2012 18:50, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:

[quote] --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)>

 

         I'd like to request a "One strike, You're out" policy from now until

 mid-November.  Specifically, one political posting to the Aeroelectric

 list gets you banned from the list at least until after the elections.

 

    First, we are immersed in a sea of 'noise' from all

    directions on a host of venues. Just driving down the

    street . . . how many objects within view are demanding

    not only your attention . . . but hoping for some response

    that is beneficial to their cause?  I cannot recall

    the last time that any invasive advertiser's efforts

    induced me to part with my cash in exchange for their

    intrusion into my head.

 

    Such advertisers DEPEND on human frailties that preclude

    picking out the good stuff from the noise.

 

 

         I'll even volunteer my $time$ to play moderator to help keep on top of

 these offenders, and I bet several other people would also be willing to

 help.

 

         Frankly, I'm getting so sick and tired of going through this several

 times per year that it is worth it for me to spend the $time$ to help

 deal with the problem, and help so others don't have to.

 

 

    I'm sorry that it's been so taxing of your resources and

    emotional capital. We don't even have a convenient mechanism

    for electronically banning such individuals. In most every case

    I recall, the offending individual made an accidental posting for

    which they apologized. The sad reality is the number of keystrokes

    expended in response to the accidents. In the case before

    us, the poster appears to be a hit-and-run . . . is already

    un-subscribed either by their own action or Matt having

    manually edited an approved posters list. I don't even

    care to know which.

 

    For us to rise to active defense of such behaviors may

    well be exactly what the poster wants. Look at result for

    one individual bringing explosives onto an airplane in

    his shoe . . . or underwear. One act stirs millions to

    excited, no-value-added responses in perpetuity. The honorable

    folks corralled one turkey-butt while subscribing to

    never ending tariff on that 'victory'.

 

    These individuals are worthy of no more time and attention

    than the next blindingly bright, giant screen billboard

    you pass. If we can teach ourselves how to understand the

    weak signal from ATC immersed in wind, prop and sheet metal

    noise, we can learn to ignore the occasional intruder to the

    List. I think the last thing we want to do is create a

    Listserver Security Administration . . . it would only

    serve to sanction those guilty of accident while shooing

    the real perps off to more fertile ground. Not, I think,

    a good use of our time.

 

 

   Bob . . . 

 

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neal.george(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:06 pm Post subject: The biggest lie of Campaign 2012

Well said, Bob!



There are already several heavily moderated RV-related forums.

The allowed content is so bland I've stopped visiting even to troll for

(more) tools.   

I find the Matronics style MUCH more useful. 



Neal "I have a DELETE key and I'm skilled in its use" George

 



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I think the last thing we want to do is create a

Listserver Security Administration . . . it would only

serve to sanction those guilty of accident while shooing

the real perps off to more fertile ground. Not, I think,

a good use of our time.

   Bob . . .

deej(at)deej.net
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:27 am Post subject: The biggest lie of Campaign 2012

On 09/19/2012 01:50 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		      I'm sorry that it's been so taxing of your resources and

    emotional capital. 

<snip>
	


 	  Quote: 	
		      These individuals are worthy of no more time and attention

    than the next blindingly bright, giant screen billboard

    you pass. 


	




	I guess it is a matter of perspective.  If you are working in the shop

and get bit by a mosquito, you initially just wack it away and continue

on with building your airplane.  If you keep getting bit, eventually you

start thinking about getting some mosquito repellent, or hanging a "bug

light", or taking some sort of action to stop getting bit.



	No one is suggesting creating a Listserver Security Administration, nor

is it being suggested to change the forum to be heavily moderated.  What

is being suggested is that perhaps we've gotten bit enough times that we

may want to consider investing some $time$ into that bug light... and it

is very likely there would be a bunch of people that would volunteer to

help so you are not stuck with additional work.



-Dj



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mrspudandcompany(at)veriz
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:56 am Post subject: The biggest lie of Campaign 2012

PLEASE, LET IT GO!!!!!!!



Roger



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