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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:00 am Post subject: Back in the Air

I've been flying my new Model IV for the past couple of weeks and thought it 

timely to post some thoughts.



It seems to fly pretty much exactly like the old one.  After about four 

hours tweaking the engine and pitching the prop, the Hobbs now shows just 

shy of 14 hours.  Tests show that the ASI reads about 9% low so that will 

give give bragging rights with stall speed, but cruise will need an 

explanation.  I get not quite 1200 ft. per minute on intitial climb.  Temps 

are all in the green and my home brew rudder trim system seems to take out 

the need for right rudder in cruise.  I still don't know for sure if I have 

a heavy left wing - it likes to make a very slow bank to the left, but 

really slow.  I will probably put a half turn on the right wing aft lift 

strut rod end and see.  the first flight was heavy stress on me as I had 

made a few mods - home brew engine mount with the engine a couple of inches 

forward to provide some room for a lower mounted oil tank.  Aluminum Leading 

edges on the wings vs. the upper false ribs, the rib warping rudder trim and 

a few other mostly cosmetic things.  The empty weight came in at 667 lbs.



Unfortunately, I have an hour commute both ways to the flight test area, the 

best part of that, though, is that Lincoln Regional is a hotbed of 

experimental activity.  I have met some great guys - mostl rag and tube, but 

up to a Thunder Mustang - and was offered a hangar on a monthly basis, so 

the pressure to get back home is gone.



The flight test area is flat as flat  farm area in the Central Valley and 

gorgeous and the winds tend to be very light to non existent this time of 

year.

Lowell

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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:16 am Post subject: Back in the Air

Beautiful Lowell. Can't wait to get back up to your place to see it. I 

see you did a standard radiator install, do you have any pictures of 

your oil cooler install? Is it below the prop spinner as before? Did you 

do the vanes on the radiators? How about thermostats on the oil and/or 

water. Your tailwheel looks different too. Did you custom the spring?



Guy Buchanan

Ramona, CA

Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded

Now a glider pilot, too.

_________________
Guy Buchanan
Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

propellerdesign(at)tele2.
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:23 am Post subject: Back in the Air

Good job Lowell,



Was is you that lost your previous plane in a fire? or my memory stick that 

is faulty! 



Jan

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:20 am Post subject: Back in the Air

Good show, Lowell....



Remember to look for "missing parts" on the oil bottle when tending  

to that task. : )



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062

Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)

Status: flying with 1360 hrs... (since 3-27-2006)

do not archive



On Sep 19, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   I've been flying my new Model IV for the past couple of weeks and  

 thought it timely to post some thoughts.



 It seems to fly pretty much exactly like the old one.  After about  

 four hours tweaking the engine and pitching the prop, the Hobbs now  

 shows just shy of 14 hours.  Tests show that the ASI reads about 9%  

 low so that will give give bragging rights with stall speed, but  

 cruise will need an explanation.  I get not quite 1200 ft. per  

 minute on intitial climb.  Temps are all in the green and my home  

 brew rudder trim system seems to take out the need for right rudder  

 in cruise.  I still don't know for sure if I have a heavy left wing  

 - it likes to make a very slow bank to the left, but really slow.   

 I will probably put a half turn on the right wing aft lift strut  

 rod end and see.  the first flight was heavy stress on me as I had  

 made a few mods - home brew engine mount with the engine a couple  

 of inches forward to provide some room for a lower mounted oil  

 tank.  Aluminum Leading edges on the wings vs. the upper false  

 ribs, the rib warping rudder trim and a few other mostly cosmetic  

 things.  The empty weight came in at 667 lbs.



 Unfortunately, I have an hour commute both ways to the flight test  

 area, the best part of that, though, is that Lincoln Regional is a  

 hotbed of experimental activity.  I have met some great guys -  

 mostl rag and tube, but up to a Thunder Mustang - and was offered a  

 hangar on a monthly basis, so the pressure to get back home is gone.



 The flight test area is flat as flat  farm area in the Central  

 Valley and gorgeous and the winds tend to be very light to non  

 existent this time of year.

 Lowell

_________________
Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:46 am Post subject: Back in the Air

On 9/20/2012 9:20 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		  Good show, Lowell....   

   

 Remember to look for "missing parts" on the oil bottle when tending to that task. : ) 	
 

 You're so mean. . .   

 

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 Ramona, CA

 Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded

 Now a glider pilot, too.

 

 

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Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:10 pm Post subject: Back in the Air

And here I thought I was being really subtle. : )  (We'll let the  

uninformed puzzle over what this is all about, eh?)



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062

Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)

Status: flying with 1361 hrs... (since 3-27-2006)

do not archive



On Sep 20, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   On 9/20/2012 9:20 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:

> Good show, Lowell....

>

> Remember to look for "missing parts" on the oil bottle when  

> tending to that task. : )



 You're so mean. . . 



 Guy Buchanan

 Ramona, CA

 Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded

 Now a glider pilot, too.

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Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

markdonahue(at)earthlink.
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:28 pm Post subject: Back in the Air

Way to go Lowell!  She looks great.

I cant remember, did you put the 80 hp 912 on or the 100?

Look forward to flying with you.

Mark Donahue



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Tommy Walker

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 442
Location: Anniston, AL 36207

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:59 pm Post subject: Back in the Air

Congrats Lowell!



On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 7:25 PM, mark donahue <markdonahue(at)earthlink.net (markdonahue(at)earthlink.net)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "mark donahue" <markdonahue(at)earthlink.net (markdonahue(at)earthlink.net)>

  

 Way to go Lowell!  She looks great.

 I cant remember, did you put the 80 hp 912 on or the 100?

 Look forward to flying with you.

 Mark Donahue

 

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Tommy Walker
N25A - Anniston, AL

aero(at)rwaltman.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:41 pm Post subject: Back in the Air

Lowell,



The plane looks beautiful, congratulations!

Care to share details on the rudder trim?



Roberto.

Pat Reilly

Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Posts: 345

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:15 pm Post subject: Back in the Air

Lowell, Glad to hear your airborne again. It's also good to see all the replies. I thought Team Kitfox, or whatever that other site is, took all the Kitfoxers. I haven't seen much activiy on Matronix. I like the Matronix format 10 times better. The few times I went to the Team Kitfox site I had to memorize pin #'s and go to this file or that file. KISS is the principle when it comes to websites as far as I'm concerned. Matronix is as simple as it gets. The more #'s I have to remember and damn buttons I have to push is inversely propotional to how much I use a site. 

  

Pat Reilly

Mod 3 582 Rebuilt

Rockford, IL 

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Roberto Waltman <aero(at)rwaltman.com (aero(at)rwaltman.com)> wrote:

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 Lowell,

 

 The plane looks beautiful, congratulations!

 Care to share details on the rudder trim?

 

 Roberto.

 

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Pat Reilly

Mod 3 582 Rebuild

Rockford,IL

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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:34 pm Post subject: Back in the Air

Thanks for all the replies.  Today was a busy  day.  I got there early an put a couple of hours on the Hobbs.  Then  spent some time with the guys.  One of them - the guy I sub hangar space  from is working on some sort of Parasol.  I need to check.  But it  seems his hangar doubles as a hangout.  It makes me wonder how he gets  anything done as there are always a couple of guys kibitzing.  Then again  his slow progress is what gives me his hangar as he is only taking a little  space.  After that I took the Kitfox to the avionics shop to get the  transponder squared away.  My area is between Beal AFB and SMF and I guess  a transponder would be a good idea.  This put me in the evening  commute.  Tomorrow is a no fly day as there is a TFR because the 747  mounted shuttle is planning a fly by over Sacramento and they don’t want tons of  airplanes trying to get a better look.

  

 Guy, - The radiator is standard.  I had the  speedster cowl like housing last time.  I think eventually that will be  done again.  No shutters on the radiator - opted for a thermostat.  It  works great - contact Mark.  The oil cooler is in the same place with  shutters. The first picture is the mount style, but this is a V that I  helped a guy finish.  The shutters have half inch vanes instead of the one  inch on the last one.  The spring you saw on the picture was an attempt to  put on a stinger type spring, but despite protecting the spring on the trailer  ride to Lincoln, the stinger was damaged as we rolled the airplane onto and off  of the trailer - lots of weight back there with the wings folded and the angle  up the ramp so I put the two leaf back on.

  

 Jan - No fire, but Lynn's suggestion relates to my oil  tank swallowing an oil bottle cap and trying to pass the melted plastic through  the engine.  One thing related to that.  It took a year for the FAA to  finally determine what the issue was.  During that time, there was the  gnawing question of whether I destroyed my airplane because of a faulty  gauge.  This time, I teed an idiot light into the system,  so I have  redundancy there now.  It seems to work fine so far - flashing red on  master on, switching to steady green as pressure rises.

  

 Lynn - It is on my checklist.  This is the plan and  I didn't make this up.  Spread white towel on table.  Put four bottles  of oil on the towel.  Take one cap off and put it on the towel in front of  the bottle.  Clip the security ring off and put it in front of the  cap.  Repeat three more times.  Before closing anything up,   count four times three.  If all checks out, button up.  One of the  guys today said it is the second time he heard of this particular issue.   And a guy that opens oil filters for a living said on a mag article that plastic  is not uncommon in the oil filter.

  

 Mark, it is a 80 hp.  KISS.

  

 Roberto - The rudder trim was something I had been  thinking about for about five years before the crash. (emergency landing) With  the opportunity, I though I would try it.  It consists of the lower two  ribs in the rudder being made of carbon fiber arrow blanks - one on each side.  (I have the speedster type gap seal in the hinge area so the vertical is an  airfoil)  There is a cam between each  controlled by a servo and by  energizing the servo I can warp the ribs.  With the rudder in cruise trim,  there is an airfoil on the left side and the right side is virtually flat.   Picture attached of the mechanism.

  

 Patrick - I couldn't agree more.  I am on the site,  but with all the screen names or whatever they call them, I don’t sense the  camaraderie that I feel here. The names that responded here all have meaning to  me with real people behind them and I feel like I am among friends.  I  struggle a bit with the idea that a hobby like ours that really thrives in the  social setting would have us essentially hiding behind a made up name.  I  guess I could understand it better if we were hiding from something.  Then  again, my error, as Lynn reminds me, might be a good reason to re-subscribe to  this list with a made up name.

 thanks again

 Lowell

  

   From: Patrick Reilly (patreilly43(at)gmail.com) 

 Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 8:15 PM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: Back in the Air

 



 Lowell, Glad to hear your airborne again. It's also good to see all the  replies. I thought Team Kitfox, or whatever that other site is, took all  the Kitfoxers. I haven't seen much activiy on Matronix. I like the Matronix  format 10 times better. The few times I went to the Team Kitfox site I had  to memorize pin #'s and go to this file or that file. KISS is  the principle when it comes to websites as far as I'm concerned.  Matronix is as simple as it gets. The more #'s I have to remember and damn  buttons I have to push is inversely propotional to how much I use a  site. 

  

 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuilt

 Rockford, IL 

 On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Roberto Waltman <aero(at)rwaltman.com (aero(at)rwaltman.com)> wrote:

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		  --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Waltman <aero(at)rwaltman.com (aero(at)rwaltman.com)>



Lowell,



The plane looks    beautiful, congratulations!

Care to share details on the rudder trim?



Roberto.       



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Mod 3 582 Rebuild

Rockford,IL

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Pat Reilly

Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Posts: 345

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:47 pm Post subject: Back in the Air

Lowell, You better not resubscribe with a ficticious name. There are about

5 guys on this list that are right next to God when it comes to Kitfoxes as

far as I'm concerned. I couldn't have rebuilt mine without their help. Your

one of them and Lynn is another one.



Pat Reilly

Mod 3 582 Rebuilt

Rockford, IL



On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:



[quote] **

 Thanks for all the replies.  Today was a busy day.  I got there early an

 put a couple of hours on the Hobbs.  Then spent some time with the guys.

 One of them - the guy I sub hangar space from is working on some sort of

 Parasol.  I need to check.  But it seems his hangar doubles as a hangout.

 It makes me wonder how he gets anything done as there are always a couple

 of guys kibitzing.  Then again his slow progress is what gives me his

 hangar as he is only taking a little space.  After that I took the Kitfox

 to the avionics shop to get the transponder squared away.  My area is

 between Beal AFB and SMF and I guess a transponder would be a good idea.

 This put me in the evening commute.  Tomorrow is a no fly day as there is a

 TFR because the 747 mounted shuttle is planning a fly by over Sacramento

 and they don’t want tons of airplanes trying to get a better look.



 Guy, - The radiator is standard.  I had the speedster cowl like housing

 last time.  I think eventually that will be done again.  No shutters on the

 radiator - opted for a thermostat.  It works great - contact Mark.  The oil

 cooler is in the same place with shutters. The first picture is the mount

 style, but this is a V that I helped a guy finish.  The shutters have half

 inch vanes instead of the one inch on the last one.  The spring you saw on

 the picture was an attempt to put on a stinger type spring, but despite

 protecting the spring on the trailer ride to Lincoln, the stinger was

 damaged as we rolled the airplane onto and off of the trailer - lots of

 weight back there with the wings folded and the angle up the ramp so I put

 the two leaf back on.



 Jan - No fire, but Lynn's suggestion relates to my oil tank swallowing an

 oil bottle cap and trying to pass the melted plastic through the engine.

 One thing related to that.  It took a year for the FAA to finally determine

 what the issue was.  During that time, there was the gnawing question of

 whether I destroyed my airplane because of a faulty gauge.  This time, I

 teed an idiot light into the system,  so I have redundancy there now.  It

 seems to work fine so far - flashing red on master on, switching to steady

 green as pressure rises.



 Lynn - It is on my checklist.  This is the plan and I didn't make this

 up.  Spread white towel on table.  Put four bottles of oil on the towel.

 Take one cap off and put it on the towel in front of the bottle.  Clip the

 security ring off and put it in front of the cap.  Repeat three more

 times.  Before closing anything up,  count four times three.  If all checks

 out, button up.  One of the guys today said it is the second time he heard

 of this particular issue.  And a guy that opens oil filters for a living

 said on a mag article that plastic is not uncommon in the oil filter.



 Mark, it is a 80 hp.  KISS.



 Roberto - The rudder trim was something I had been thinking about for

 about five years before the crash. (emergency landing) With the

 opportunity, I though I would try it.  It consists of the lower two ribs in

 the rudder being made of carbon fiber arrow blanks - one on each side. (I

 have the speedster type gap seal in the hinge area so the vertical is an

 airfoil)  There is a cam between each  controlled by a servo and by

 energizing the servo I can warp the ribs.  With the rudder in cruise trim,

 there is an airfoil on the left side and the right side is virtually flat

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:49 am Post subject: Back in the Air

Besides all that, that site seems like a bunch of people who have  

"jumped ship", or went for the newest gadget, as it were. I like the  

Matronics venue because it gets mailed to my computer and I don't  

have to go hunting for it....my visits there are infrequent at best.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062

Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)

Status: flying with 1361 hrs... (since 3-27-2006)

do not archive



On Sep 20, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Lowell, Glad to hear your airborne again. It's also good to see all  

 the replies. I thought Team Kitfox, or whatever that other site is,  

 took all the Kitfoxers. I haven't seen much activiy on Matronix. I  

 like the Matronix format 10 times better. The few times I went to  

 the Team Kitfox site I had to memorize pin #'s and go to this file  

 or that file. KISS is the principle when it comes to websites as  

 far as I'm concerned. Matronix is as simple as it gets. The more  

 #'s I have to remember and damn buttons I have to push is inversely  

 propotional to how much I use a site.



 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuilt

 Rockford, IL



 On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Roberto Waltman  

 <aero(at)rwaltman.com> wrote:

 



 Lowell,



 The plane looks beautiful, congratulations!

 Care to share details on the rudder trim?



 Roberto.

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 ====================================

 http://forums.matronics.com

 ====================================

 le, List Admin.

 ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

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 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuild

 Rockford,IL

 www.matronics.com/contribution _- 

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Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:58 am Post subject: Back in the Air

On 9/20/2012 10:33 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		  I struggle a bit with the idea that a hobby like ours that really thrives in the social setting would have us essentially hiding behind a made up name.  I guess I could understand it better if we were hiding from something.  	
 

 Nah. We'd just use our call-signs everywhere; like the fly boys do. Instead of Viper and Maverick, it would be "49aero" and "I love pizza". (Random sample.) Wouldn't you like to walk around the Desert Fox Fly-in being called "I love pizza"?

 

  	  Quote: 	
		  Then again, my error, as Lynn reminds me, might be a good reason to re-subscribe to this list with a made up name. 	
 

 HAHAHAHA! Like we wouldn't know.

 

 Guy Buchanan

 Ramona, CA

 Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded

 Now a glider pilot, too.

 

 

    [quote][b]

_________________
Guy Buchanan
Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:05 am Post subject: Back in the Air

On 9/20/2012 10:33 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		  No shutters on the radiator - opted for a thermostat.  It works great - contact Mark.  	
 

 Yeah. I'm trying that too. Got an interesting one from the web that's very clean. Installs in-line. (http://shop.watt-man.com/Thermo-Bob-1-Universal-Kit-with-One-Inch-Fittings-TB1.htm)

 

  	  Quote: 	
		  The oil cooler is in the same place with shutters. The first picture is the mount style, but this is a V that I helped a guy finish.  The shutters have half inch vanes instead of the one inch on the last one.  	
 

 Your mount is sexy. Glad I hadn't made mine yet. And I just bought a new tube bender. Do you still market the vanes? What's the time lag on a temperature change after you adjust them?

 

 Guy Buchanan

 Ramona, CA

 Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded

 Now a glider pilot, too.

 

 

    [quote][b]

_________________
Guy Buchanan
Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:35 am Post subject: Back in the Air

Lynn, I agree.

I started on the email list in about 1994.  It was after seeing some print 

outs from the list at one of the first factory fly-ins after starting my 

first Model IV.  I read every post - 532s, 582s, 912s Model Is - everything. 

I learned a ton about Kitfoxes and the guy with the model I flying behind a 

532, just might have the answer you were looking for.  With all the 

compartmentalizing there is a lot that gets missed.  I was having the rough 

running band between 3 and 4000 RPM and found the answer in the Matronix 

archives after a long search on the other site.  I just wish there was more 

activity, but the other site is way down now as well.

Lowell



--------------------------------------------------

From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>

Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 3:49 AM

To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Back in the Air



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Besides all that, that site seems like a bunch of people who have  "jumped 

 ship", or went for the newest gadget, as it were. I like the  Matronics 

 venue because it gets mailed to my computer and I don't  have to go 

 hunting for it....my visits there are infrequent at best.



 Lynn Matteson

 Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

 Jabiru 2200, #2062

 Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip

 Electroair direct-fire ignition system

 Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)

 Status: flying with 1361 hrs... (since 3-27-2006)

 do not archive



 On Sep 20, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:



> Lowell, Glad to hear your airborne again. It's also good to see all  the 

> replies. I thought Team Kitfox, or whatever that other site is,  took all 

> the Kitfoxers. I haven't seen much activiy on Matronix. I  like the 

> Matronix format 10 times better. The few times I went to  the Team Kitfox 

> site I had to memorize pin #'s and go to this file  or that file. KISS is 

> the principle when it comes to websites as  far as I'm concerned. 

> Matronix is as simple as it gets. The more  #'s I have to remember and 

> damn buttons I have to push is inversely  propotional to how much I use a 

> site.

>

> Pat Reilly

> Mod 3 582 Rebuilt

> Rockford, IL

>

> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Roberto Waltman  <aero(at)rwaltman.com> 

> wrote:

> 

>

> Lowell,

>

> The plane looks beautiful, congratulations!

> Care to share details on the rudder trim?

>

> Roberto.

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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:57 am Post subject: Back in the Air

What's the time lag on a  temperature change after you adjust them?  

  

 Interesting you ask.   I don't know and that bothers me a bit as I have been playing with  them some, but have never watched through an entire cycle.  The  reason - I have an intermittent issue with the oil temp gauge.  It is in  the Quad gauge from Westach and occasionally it will peg at max reading.   According to their trouble shooting guide pegging at max is due to the gauge  ground being faulty.  I did find a poor crimp and fixed that and it was  fine until I started playing with the shutters in flight.  I did find that  I can get about a 50° differential reading open and closed - OAT ~ 95.   But, and this is interesting, if I close them in flight I can watch the temp  climb and then pow, it might peg at max.  Then by opening the  shutters, it will suddenly give the correct reading. I seem to have an  issue that is only triggered at higher temps.   I have decided  that it is the sender and plan on installing a new one - probably later  today or tomorrow.  Not trying to be commercial, but we make an inline  thermostat as well.  We don't use the bleed line.  It is similar to  what is in a car.  We do enlarge the bleed hole through the diaphragm in  the thermostat.  That is the one I use and it is a 180° thermostat and  works very well.

 Lowell



  



  From: Guy Buchanan (gebuchanan(at)cox.net) 

 Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 8:04 AM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: Back in the Air

 



On 9/20/2012 10:33 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:   	  Quote: 	
		  No shutters on the radiator - opted for a    thermostat.  It works great - contact Mark.   	


Yeah. I'm trying that too. Got an interesting one from  the web that's very clean. Installs in-line. (http://shop.watt-man.com/Thermo-Bob-1-Universal-Kit-with-One-Inch-Fittings-TB1.htm)



  	  Quote: 	
		  The oil cooler is in the same place with    shutters. The first picture is the mount style, but this is a V that I    helped a guy finish.  The shutters have half inch vanes instead of the    one inch on the last one.  	


Your mount is sexy. Glad  I hadn't made mine yet. And I just bought a new tube bender. Do you still market  the vanes? What's the time lag on a temperature change after you adjust  them?



Guy Buchanan

Ramona, CA

Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs /  500 hrs. and grounded

Now a glider pilot, too.

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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:11 am Post subject: Back in the Air

On 9/21/2012 8:56 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		  Not trying to be commercial, but we make an inline thermostat as well.  We don't use the bleed line.  It is similar to what is in a car.  We do enlarge the bleed hole through the diaphragm in the thermostat.  That is the one I use and it is a 180° thermostat and works very well. 	
 

 Didn't know you guys made one. Oh well. Maybe we should allow and encourage "press releases" so everyone would know what was out there. Did see the oil louvers, though, so I'll contact you off-line about that.

 

 Guy Buchanan

 Ramona, CA

 Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded

 Now a glider pilot, too.

 

 

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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:07 am Post subject: Back in the Air

Lowell Fitt wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Building at home can be a lonely experience.


	


As is my "KF fixing up" in an airport one hour away, were it often seems 

I am the only person around. (Not counting the planes taxiing by and 

forcing me to stop working to move my plane around.)



Hey, at home at least you have the fridge and bathroom nearby!



Roberto.

sourdostan(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject: Back in the Air

Hi Lowell- 

 

  I'm pleased to hear of your recent success, and what a beauty it is!! I'm looking forward to seeing it in person one of these days. Please keep posting as your fly-off proceeds.

  

 

  Secondarily, it's nice to see this list become active again. I was starting to fear it had dried up and flown away! I, too, enjoy it much better than the other list in that it is more personable and interactive. Let's keep it humming, guys and gals!

  

 

  Hey, pretty good---I didn't even pick on Lynn!!!

  

 

  Stan Specht

  Kitfox Model IV Speedster 912 UL with over 1935 hours

  Denver, Colorado

 

 

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