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mrspudandcompany(at)veriz
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:49 am Post subject: CAD drawings

I would advise caution with the ExpressPCB software.     

  [quote]ExpressPCB is a circuit board manufacturer.  Their free software is intended to generate orders for that business.  It uses a proprietary file format only and will not export to or import from any other formats; there's no way to get your design out of the software except as a printed drawing, a bitmap image or an overpriced circuit board order.   Eric, I designed a couple of small PCBs in the past and found Express PCB to be quite economical for a couple of boards.  Do you know of a manufacturer who will do a very small quantity of boards at a lesser price? Roger [b]

Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:06 am Post subject: CAD drawings

I'd second that idea.  I gave up trying to learn a CAD package for this 

task.  Still using ExpressSCH 4 years later.  A good little tool.

Bill Watson

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Although not compatible with AutoCad, ExpressSCH (http://www.expresspcb.com) is much easier to learn than full featured CAD programs.  And it is completely free with no annual registration renewal.

 Someone might have an aviation component library for use with ExpressSCH.

 Joe



 --------

 Joe Gores

Eric M. Jones

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 565
Location: Massachusetts

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:07 am Post subject: Re: CAD drawings

Eric and Joe??



I used Eagle for many years and loved it. But for what I do now ExpressPCB is great. The simplest layout art software. The schematic capture is great too. I don't agree that ExpressPCB is expensive. For what you get--stone-simple Miniboard service--3 PCBs in 3 days for $51 (plus shipping) is great. Their bigger boards are very competitive, too. They WILL provide Gerber plots after the first order for a nominal fee.



My PCBs are the size of postage stamps, so I get great of value for the $$$.



Don't confuse ExpressPCB and PCBExpress.

_________________
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge, MA 01550
(508) 764-2072
emjones(at)charter.net

aero(at)rwaltman.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:39 am Post subject: CAD drawings

Jan wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   DraftSight is backed by a world class company - and its free - and its

 totally AutoCAD compatible


	


But it requires to register and "activate" it. (Yearly, I believe.)

If the company changes its policy in the future, you may be left with a 

collection of designs you have no access to (*), in addition to wasting 

the time and effort spend making them as well as learning to use the tool.



Roberto.



(*) Make sure to save everything in DXF/DWF format.

Eric M. Jones

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 565
Location: Massachusetts

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:51 am Post subject: Re: CAD drawings

From ExpressPCB customer service:



You can order gerber files by email for PCBs that we have previously 

manufactured. The cost of a gerber file order is $60.  The $60 fee will be 

billed to the credit card number used with the original order of boards.



To order gerber files, send email to support(at)expresspcb.com with the exact 

information listed below.  The email MUST come from the person that placed 

the original PCB order.



1) Write a note indicating that you would like to purchase gerber files.



2) Acknowledge in your email that you understand there is a $60 fee for 

each set of gerber files that you order, and that the fee will be billed to 

your credit card.



3) Specify the order number of the previously manufactured design by noting 

our original 9 character order number.  Our order numbers have the form 

ABCD-1234-E.



We will generate the gerber files using the original PCB design file 

associated with your order number.  We will then email the gerber files 

back to you as an attachment.  The email will also include a receipt for 

the $60 fee marked "Paid in full".



You will receive these files:

         + Top silkscreen layer

         + Top soldermask layer

         + Top copper layer

         + Bottom copper layer

         + Bottom soldermask layer

         + Drill file

         + 4 layer designs also include the 2 inner layers

Do Not Archive

_________________
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge, MA 01550
(508) 764-2072
emjones(at)charter.net

email(at)jaredyates.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:03 am Post subject: CAD drawings

I used a pencil and ruler, and while that doesn't answer the original question, it was done in less time than it has taken to read these posts  



On Oct 15, 2012, at 14:06, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 I'd second that idea.  I gave up trying to learn a CAD package for this task.  Still using ExpressSCH 4 years later.  A good little tool.

 Bill Watson

> 

> 

> Although not compatible with AutoCad, ExpressSCH (http://www.expresspcb.com) is much easier to learn than full featured CAD programs.  And it is completely free with no annual registration renewal.

> Someone might have an aviation component library for use with ExpressSCH.

> Joe

> 

> --------

> Joe Gores

>

harley(at)AgelessWings.co
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:40 am Post subject: CAD drawings

Draftsight does have to be "reactivated" regularly...but it is just     a matter of clicking on a button...I believe it asks for your email     address at the same time...but that's it.Â  No long activation     process.Â  

     

     It uses .dwg as it's native format...so it won't get incompatible as     long as ACAD and all the programs (like Visual Cadd) can still     access that format.Â  I regularly transfer files between Visual CADD     and Draftsight with no problems or any work other than loading it     into the program. 

     

     Harley

     

     [quote]Jan       wrote:       

        	  Quote: 	
		  DraftSight is         backed by a world class company - and its free - and its         

         totally AutoCAD compatible         

       	
       

       But it requires to register and "activate" it. (Yearly, I       believe.)       

       If the company changes its policy in the future, you may be left       with a collection of designs you have no access to (*), in       addition to wasting the time and effort spend making them as well       as learning to use the tool.       

       

       Roberto.     [b]

nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
Guest

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:08 pm Post subject: CAD drawings

 	  Quote: 	
		     Their free software is intended to generate orders for that business.


	


    As is their ECB layout program. Express schematic isn't much

    of a 'cad' system. It's intended as a front end to ExpressPCB's

    layout which will do a fair job of auto-routing the layout AFTER

    the schematic is entered into the drafting program. The symbols

    are limited and they're only intended to be place-holders for the

    end product which is copper pathways between input-output pins

    of a 'device'.



    I tried it years ago and wasn't particularly impressed with

    it . . . I've laid out my boards 'by hand' since day-one

    and consider it part of the continuity for a design-goals-to-

    end-product process. When I look at one of my layouts I 'see' the

    schematic too. When I look at somebody else's layout . . . including

    ExpressSCHM, there's a disconnect.



    If all you need to do is run wires between inputs/outputs

    of devices and don't have a any existing notions of what

    the drawings should look like, the Express program is

    a real bargain at zero cost.

   Bob . . .

nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
Guest

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:21 pm Post subject: CAD drawings

At 02:03 PM 10/15/2012, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



I used a pencil and ruler, and while that doesn't answer the 

original question, it was done in less time than it has taken to 

read these posts


	


   In my seminars I recommend that builders do their shop drawings

   as page-per-system sketches on a really good quality bond paper

   3-hole punched for a notebook. Do the drawings in #2 pencil by

   hand. When you're all done, draw over the pencil drawing with

   non-smearing ink and guides. When the ink is dry, use a Pink

   Pearl to clean off all the pencil marks.



   Quit often, when I want to publish a sketch to the List,

   I'll draft it in pencil to sorta size up the task and

   organization . . . then draw it again in ink. Sometimes

   the ink lines don't lay on top of or even near the pencil

   lines. Again, the PP eraser cleans it all up for scanning

   and publication.



http://tinyurl.com/9slaa43



   You need to use a pretty good quality paper with enough

   clay in it to keep the graphite near the surface. Big

   Chief tablets are problematic. Really cool thing about

   the PPAD system (pencil-pen aided design) is that it

   will never give you the blue-screen-of-death nor will

   the batteries run down.



   Bob . . .

nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
Guest

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:53 pm Post subject: CAD drawings

At 01:07 PM 10/15/2012, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Eric and Joe??



I used Eagle for many years and loved it. But for what I do now 

ExpressPCB is great. The simplest layout art software. The schematic 

capture is great too. I don't agree that ExpressPCB is expensive. 

For what you get--stone-simple Miniboard service--3 PCBs in 3 days 

for $51 (plus shipping) is great.


	


   Absolutely. ExpressPCB has been my prototype and

   production supplier for years. For the kinds of

   volumes I produce, I can often rubber stamp several

   copies of a small board onto a miniboard. For example,

   my crowbar OVM boards fit 19 times onto a miniboard.

   I get three boards for about $61 delivered to my

   door in as little as three days . . . that works out

   to about $1/board.



   For production lots of, say 200 . . . they come already

   trimmed apart for about $1.70 each. Boards to fit my

   d-sub enclosures are about $4.00 in lots of 50. If I

   were going to purchase more than 50 boards at a time,

   I might be able to save some production costs elsewhere

   but when you live in the hinterland, being able to get

   boards on order with a keystroke on Monday and have

   them on the back porch Wednesday is a pretty valuable

   service.



   I can also state that in 10-15 years of working with

   these folks, they've never muffed an order.



   Bob . . .

edpav8r(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:28 pm Post subject: CAD drawings

I have two favorites for cheap, low-count PCB runs:

     OSH Park:  http://www.oshpark.com/

     BatchPCB:  http://www.batchpcb.com/

Both use the concept of combining many customers' small boards into one large panel before sending it to a fab house.  OSH Park uses a fab house in the USA, they're absurdly cheap, shipping is free, board quality is outstanding, and boards typically arrive in 7-10 days.  My most recent order was for a board that measures 0.8" x 1.7".  3 boards delivered was $10.90.  BatchPCB is a subsidiary of Sparkfun Electronics.  They use a fab house in China, cost a bit more, charge a modest shipping fee, and take 2-3 times as long.  They're really just my backup plan at this point.

Note that to use either of these, your board must meet their design rules (nothing onerous, just limits on minimum trace width and hole sizes - see their websites) and you'll have to provide Gerber and NC Drill files.

Eric



On Oct 15, 2012, at 10:47 AM, "Roger & Jean Curtis" <mrspudandcompany(at)verizon.net (mrspudandcompany(at)verizon.net)> wrote:



[quote]                   	  Quote: 	
		  Eric, I designed a couple of small PCBs in the past and found Express PCB to be quite economical for a couple of boards.  Do you know of a manufacturer who will do a very small quantity of boards at a lesser price? Roger 	




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Tundra10

Joined: 14 Jun 2010
Posts: 102
Location: Scarborough, Ontario

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:41 am Post subject: CAD drawings

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		   Ebay has full boxes of recent versions of TurboCAD or DesignCAD with  

 manuals and disks and support and users forums AND FREE SHIPPING for  

 $10.


	


I opted for this and purchased TurboCAD Deluxe 15, which claimed  

Windows 7 compatibility for close to the cost of shipping me the disc.



I did manage to get it to install, but it was painful.



One key was turing off Data Execution Prevention.  Without this, the  

program doesn't start at all, without any error message.

Start, Control Panel, System, Advanced system settings, Performance  

settings, Data Execution Prevention.  Click add and browse to TCW15.exe



In spite of choosing options to install the symbols, it installed them  

so they would be referenced off the CD.  I had to manually copy the  

files and then mess around with the configuration to set the paths to  

find them.  Even so, I suspect I will need to search the web for  

additional libraries to get symbols I want.



There are two upgrade patches available on the web site.  Neither  

install.  The installer claims it cannot find the original program to  

modify.  No Google results on this problem.



Registration was required to activate it.  They made it look like your  

email address was required.  I usually prefer to remain confidential  

and provide bogus information to such requests.  In this case, the  

registration code was provided on-screen, so a bogus email would have  

worked.



Now that it is installed, all I need to do is learn how to use it 



Jeff Page

Dream Aircraft Tundra #10

JLuckey(at)pacbell.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:08 am Post subject: CAD drawings

I bought Turbo CAD 15 on EBay & installed it on my Win7 Laptop about 6

months ago, based on suggestions here on the List ( and the fact that I have

used Turbo CAD over the years and liked it ).



I don't remember having any problems w/ installation & use the program

almost every week.  



I had experimented w/ a few of the other CAD programs and found them

difficult to use compared to Turbo CAD.  I knocked-out a rough drawing of my

instrument panel (RV-7) in less than an hour w/ Turbo CAD. It took me longer

than that to just setup the drawing w/ DraftSight (perhaps I'm just

DraftSight challenged??) - w/ Turbo CAD I was productive in 30 minutes or

less.

Jeff Luckey

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henador_titzoff(at)yahoo.
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:37 pm Post subject: CAD drawings

If DraftSight is Solidworks younger brother, I'm just trying to figure out why they couldn't call it something closer to home, like StolidWorks. 



Henador Titzoff



--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Jan <jan(at)claver.demon.co.uk> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

From: Jan <jan(at)claver.demon.co.uk>

Subject: Re: CAD drawings

To: "<aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com>" <aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com>

Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 7:04 PM



DraftSight is backed by a world class company - and its free - and its totally AutoCAD compatible - at least for your day to day 2D drafting stuff

The 3D stuff done by Dassault is SolidWork ... or Catia ... both are high  end stuff ..Catia more so - I would trust the French over the Russians any day   ... no offence to anyone Russians !!  

I am sure the Nano stuff may be perfectly ok ... of Bob is using it ... Remember that DS is a relatively new offering from  Dassault ... I suppose they like to hook you early ... give you 2D for free ... then you migrate to SW ... or the very big league ... Catia ... 



All the best



Jan

On Oct 14, 2012, at 11:07 PM, Henador Titzoff <[url=/mc/compose?to=henador_titzoff(at)yahoo.com]henador_titzoff(at)yahoo.com[/url]> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Bob,



nanoCAD sounds like a pretty good product, but I went to their website and noticed  it's out of the Russian Federation. I'm not the kind of guy that demeans foreign products unless I have a very good reason, which also applies to domestic products. I'm leery about anything that comes out of Russia and China now, because their governments do not hold anyone's feet to the fire when it comes to shenanigans.  I know that much malware comes out of these two countries, and there's not much we can do about it. It's entirely possible that nanoCAD might get compromised by hackers and deliver us a product we don't like. After the demise of the USSR, there were many talented programmers left behind without jobs.  Many of them migrated out to Israel and Western countries to find good paying jobs, but many of them stayed behind to work real  jobs and some became hackers. This is why I would rather go with DraftSight and not nanoCAD. nanoCAD is comprised of a bunch of developers, and not telling what anyone of them will do.

If this sounds xenophobic, rest assured it's not, because I don't think Dassault is loaded up with hackers.  I just don't trust loose organizations from Russia, China, Iran and other countries whose governments don't have the legal framework to take someone to jail or court if a foreigner gets attacked in cyberspace.  Do you have such feelings about nanoCAD, or do you trust them wholeheartedly?



Henador Titzoff

--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <[url=/mc/compose?to=nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com]nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com[/url]> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III <[url=/mc/compose?to=nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com]nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com[/url]>

Subject: Re:  CAD drawings

To: [url=/mc/compose?to=aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com]aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com[/url]

Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 6:44 AM



--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com>



At 04:02 AM 10/14/2012, you wrote:

--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "peter Sokolowski" <air.peter(at)googlemail.com>



Hello group,



I am in the final documentation phase of my LANCAIR 360 project and starting

to copy my handmade - electrical - drawings to the computer. Therefore I am

looking for a good tool and a free of charge CAD program probably compatible

with ACAD.



Any hints recommendations are highly appreciated,



Thanks in  advance,



  Suggest you look at NanoCAD



http://tinyurl.com/9yl3ug5



  It's free =AND= is 95%+ clone of AutoCAD

  in appearance and command structure. It will

  open, edit, save and print all of the AutoCAD

  drawings on my website.



http://tinyurl.com/385dhl

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jan(at)CLAVER.DEMON.CO.UK
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:16 pm Post subject: CAD drawings

 .. it would probably be more correct to say it is Solidworks - new born baby ... in comparison ..it is just a 2D drafting package.

Anything you want to do in 2D .. you can do in DS ...and as the baby gets bigger ... it wants bigger toys .. so you buy SW ..for all your fancy 3D stuff ..

And for the grown ups who has all the toys ... on occasions you like to think back when you were young and have a look at a few dusty old 2D drawing ... and its all there ... in you family ... for no cost at all ....





All the best



Jan

On Oct 17, 2012, at 5:36 AM, Henador Titzoff <henador_titzoff(at)yahoo.com (henador_titzoff(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:

[quote]If DraftSight is Solidworks younger brother, I'm just trying to figure out why they couldn't call it something closer to home, like StolidWorks. 



Henador Titzoff



--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Jan <jan(at)claver.demon.co.uk (jan(at)claver.demon.co.uk)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

From: Jan <jan(at)claver.demon.co.uk (jan(at)claver.demon.co.uk)>

Subject: Re: CAD drawings

To: "<aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com)>" <aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com)>

Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 7:04 PM



DraftSight is backed by a world class company - and its free - and its totally AutoCAD compatible - at least for your day to day 2D drafting stuff

The 3D stuff done by Dassault is SolidWork ... or Catia ... both are high  end stuff ..Catia more so - I would trust the French over the Russians any day   ... no offence to anyone Russians !!  

I am sure the Nano stuff may be perfectly ok ... of Bob is using it ... Remember that DS is a relatively new offering from  Dassault ... I suppose they like to hook you early ... give you 2D for free ... then you migrate to SW ... or the very big league ... Catia ... 



All the best



Jan

On Oct 14, 2012, at 11:07 PM, Henador Titzoff <[url=/mc/compose?to=henador_titzoff(at)yahoo.com]henador_titzoff(at)yahoo.com[/url]> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Bob,



nanoCAD sounds like a pretty good product, but I went to their website and noticed  it's out of the Russian Federation. I'm not the kind of guy that demeans foreign products unless I have a very good reason, which also applies to domestic products. I'm leery about anything that comes out of Russia and China now, because their governments do not hold anyone's feet to the fire when it comes to shenanigans.  I know that much malware comes out of these two countries, and there's not much we can do about it. It's entirely possible that nanoCAD might get compromised by hackers and deliver us a product we don't like. After the demise of the USSR, there were many talented programmers left behind without jobs.  Many of them migrated out to Israel and Western countries to find good paying jobs, but many of them stayed behind to work real  jobs and some became hackers. This is why I would rather go with DraftSight and not nanoCAD. nanoCAD is comprised of a bunch of developers, and not telling what anyone of them will do.

If this sounds xenophobic, rest assured it's not, because I don't think Dassault is loaded up with hackers.  I just don't trust loose organizations from Russia, China, Iran and other countries whose governments don't have the legal framework to take someone to jail or court if a foreigner gets attacked in cyberspace.  Do you have such feelings about nanoCAD, or do you trust them wholeheartedly?



Henador Titzoff

--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <[url=/mc/compose?to=nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com]nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com[/url]> wrote:

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From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III <[url=/mc/compose?to=nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com]nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com[/url]>

Subject: Re:  CAD drawings

To: [url=/mc/compose?to=aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com]aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com[/url]

Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 6:44 AM



--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com>



At 04:02 AM 10/14/2012, you wrote:

--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "peter Sokolowski" <air.peter(at)googlemail.com>



Hello group,



I am in the final documentation phase of my LANCAIR 360 project and starting

to copy my handmade - electrical - drawings to the computer. Therefore I am

looking for a good tool and a free of charge CAD program probably compatible

with ACAD.



Any hints recommendations are highly appreciated,



Thanks in  advance,



  Suggest you look at NanoCAD



http://tinyurl.com/9yl3ug5



  It's free =AND= is 95%+ clone of AutoCAD

  in appearance and command structure. It will

  open, edit, save and print all of the AutoCAD

  drawings on my website.



http://tinyurl.com/385dhl

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whd721

Joined: 01 Oct 2007
Posts: 15

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:04 am Post subject: CAD drawings

I have been following this thread.  



I have my panel schematic In a both .cdr and .pdf files as provided by my panel fabricator.  Is there a simple to use CAD program that I can use to add color coding and wire gages to the existing drawing?

I am willing to buy a reasonable priced program, but don't want to spend a lot of time learning to run a complete cad system. 

Thanks.



On Oct 16, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Henador Titzoff wrote:

[quote]If DraftSight is Solidworks younger brother, I'm just trying to figure out why they couldn't call it something closer to home, like StolidWorks. 



Henador Titzoff



--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Jan <jan(at)claver.demon.co.uk (jan(at)claver.demon.co.uk)> wrote:

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From: Jan <jan(at)claver.demon.co.uk (jan(at)claver.demon.co.uk)>

Subject: Re: CAD drawings

To: "<aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com)>" <aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com)>

Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 7:04 PM



DraftSight is backed by a world class company - and its free - and its totally AutoCAD compatible - at least for your day to day 2D drafting stuff

The 3D stuff done by Dassault is SolidWork ... or Catia ... both are high  end stuff ..Catia more so - I would trust the French over the Russians any day   ... no offence to anyone Russians !!  

I am sure the Nano stuff may be perfectly ok ... of Bob is using it ... Remember that DS is a relatively new offering from  Dassault ... I suppose they like to hook you early ... give you 2D for free ... then you migrate to SW ... or the very big league ... Catia ... 



All the best



Jan

On Oct 14, 2012, at 11:07 PM, Henador Titzoff <[url=x-msg://1896/mc/compose?to=henador_titzoff(at)yahoo.com]henador_titzoff(at)yahoo.com[/url]> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Bob,



nanoCAD sounds like a pretty good product, but I went to their website and noticed  it's out of the Russian Federation. I'm not the kind of guy that demeans foreign products unless I have a very good reason, which also applies to domestic products. I'm leery about anything that comes out of Russia and China now, because their governments do not hold anyone's feet to the fire when it comes to shenanigans.  I know that much malware comes out of these two countries, and there's not much we can do about it. It's entirely possible that nanoCAD might get compromised by hackers and deliver us a product we don't like. After the demise of the USSR, there were many talented programmers left behind without jobs.  Many of them migrated out to Israel and Western countries to find good paying jobs, but many of them stayed behind to work real  jobs and some became hackers. This is why I would rather go with DraftSight and not nanoCAD. nanoCAD is comprised of a bunch of developers, and not telling what anyone of them will do.

If this sounds xenophobic, rest assured it's not, because I don't think Dassault is loaded up with hackers.  I just don't trust loose organizations from Russia, China, Iran and other countries whose governments don't have the legal framework to take someone to jail or court if a foreigner gets attacked in cyberspace.  Do you have such feelings about nanoCAD, or do you trust them wholeheartedly?



Henador Titzoff

--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <[url=x-msg://1896/mc/compose?to=nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com]nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com[/url]> wrote:

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From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III <[url=x-msg://1896/mc/compose?to=nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com]nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com[/url]>

Subject: Re:  CAD drawings

To: [url=x-msg://1896/mc/compose?to=aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com]aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com[/url]

Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 6:44 AM



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At 04:02 AM 10/14/2012, you wrote:

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Hello group,



I am in the final documentation phase of my LANCAIR 360 project and starting

to copy my handmade - electrical - drawings to the computer. Therefore I am

looking for a good tool and a free of charge CAD program probably compatible

with ACAD.



Any hints recommendations are highly appreciated,



Thanks in  advance,



  Suggest you look at NanoCAD



http://tinyurl.com/9yl3ug5



  It's free =AND= is 95%+ clone of AutoCAD

  in appearance and command structure. It will

  open, edit, save and print all of the AutoCAD

  drawings on my website.



http://tinyurl.com/385dhl

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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:00 pm Post subject: CAD drawings

I've just downloaded Draftsight and started using it very quickly (for 

mechanical drawings). Not much experience of other CAD packages, 

although I've used Visio quite a bit, but seems straight forward so far.

Peter

On 16/10/2012 16:40, Jeff Page wrote:

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> Ebay has full boxes of recent versions of TurboCAD or DesignCAD with 

> manuals and disks and support and users forums AND FREE SHIPPING for 

> $10.

 I opted for this and purchased TurboCAD Deluxe 15, which claimed 

 Windows 7 compatibility for close to the cost of shipping me the disc.

 I did manage to get it to install, but it was painful.

 One key was turing off Data Execution Prevention.  Without this, the 

 program doesn't start at all, without any error message.

 Start, Control Panel, System, Advanced system settings, Performance 

 settings, Data Execution Prevention.  Click add and browse to TCW15.exe

 In spite of choosing options to install the symbols, it installed them 

 so they would be referenced off the CD.  I had to manually copy the 

 files and then mess around with the configuration to set the paths to 

 find them.  Even so, I suspect I will need to search the web for 

 additional libraries to get symbols I want.

 There are two upgrade patches available on the web site.  Neither 

 install.  The installer claims it cannot find the original program to 

 modify.  No Google results on this problem.

 Registration was required to activate it.  They made it look like your 

 email address was required.  I usually prefer to remain confidential 

 and provide bogus information to such requests.  In this case, the 

 registration code was provided on-screen, so a bogus email would have 

 worked.

 Now that it is installed, all I need to do is learn how to use it 

 Jeff Page

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