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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:50 am Post subject: My final word on how I feel.

Family, friends, fellow Aviators,

       

      Unless you have been living under a rock these weeks or have "turned off" out of frustration of endless political adds and claims, you should know that Obama's actions on Libya provide a reasonable reason to impeach him (at least in my view).  There are at best excuses for what appears to be deliberate 1. Total distrust and understanding of accurate intelligence BEFORE it happened.  2. Total disregard for the for the pleases to increase security.  3. Paralyzed on his decision making during the attack.  4. A cover up to blame it on a video.  5. Now the firings of those commanders who dared to questioned his decisions during the attack.

       

      Add to the total incompetence of his political plans (very anti - American in my view and indicative IF you know his up-bringing), he has in a very short time brought America to a very tenuous place.  The man is a charlatan in every aspect, you just need to look closer.  (Look at his wedding ring, (well documented), its inscription "Only one God and that is Allah"  This from a man who professes being a Christian?)

       

      Those of you who are "on the fence" and consider yourselves "Independents", (or even some Republicans who didn't like Mitt in the primaries.  I was one.) remember you are NOT hearing the full story of this man from normal media sources & NPR.  You folks in Ohio because of the Electoral College, may throw this election in favor of Obama because "he saved the auto industry".  You may find that all that loyalty will have been wasted when that industry will be subject to REAL world market norms.  You union folks just bet your life and that of your children on man who broke the very basic laws of our land to give you blood money.

       

      For the sake of our nation and that of our children and grandchildren, know who you vote for.  I hope it is Mitt.  If you can't bring yourself to vote for a white guy because it would be 'raciest' than just don't vote (That is not a responsible reason).  If you can't vote for Mitt because he's "so rich" ask yourself if you wouldn't like to be in the same boat.  (Jealousy of wealth or anything else has ever been adult).  For those lock step democrats, there is nothing I can say to you.  History (it won't be far away) will be your harshest judge.

       

      Vent your spine, I shan't respond.

      Jim (Yep I voted for Carter) Goolsby

   

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ssssskippy

Joined: 02 May 2010
Posts: 58

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:47 am Post subject: My final word on how I feel.

MY FEELING ABOUT POLITICS§



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ischa1q-igE



2012/10/30 " <cjpilot710(at)aol.com>



[quote]   Family, friends, fellow Aviators,



 Unless you have been living under a rock these weeks or have "turned off"

 out of frustration of endless political adds and claims, you should know

 that Obama's actions on Libya provide a reasonable reason to impeach him

 (at least in my view).  There are at best excuses for what appears to be

 deliberate 1. Total distrust and understanding of accurate intelligence

 BEFORE it happened.  2. Total disregard for the for the pleases to increase

 security.  3. Paralyzed on his decision making during the attack.  4. A

 cover up to blame it on a video.  5. *Now the firings of those commanders

 who dared to questioned his decisions during the attack.*



 Add to the total incompetence of his political plans (very anti - American

 in my view and indicative IF you know his up-bringing), he has in a very

 short time brought America to a very tenuous place.  The man is a charlatan

 in every aspect, you just need to look closer.  (Look at his wedding ring,

 (well documented), its inscription "Only one God and that is Allah"  This

 from a man who professes being a Christian?)



 Those of you who are "on the fence" and consider yourselves

 "Independents", (or even some Republicans who didn't like Mitt in the

 primaries.  I was one.) remember you are NOT hearing the full story of this

 man from normal media sources & NPR.  You folks in Ohio because of the

 Electoral College, may throw this election in favor of Obama because "he

 saved the auto industry".  You may find that all that loyalty will have

 been wasted when that industry will be subject to REAL world market norms

Yak Ron

Joined: 20 Jun 2012
Posts: 5

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: My final word on how I feel.

Can we please keep the political "crap" off this web site!!!!!

wise(at)txc.net.au
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:45 pm Post subject: My final word on how I feel.

You are of course correct.

But a passion for ones country and the future of ones country is something

to be very proud of.

And for someone to stand up and be accounted for and say it as it is, is to

be commended.

Here in Australia, I agree wholeheartedly with the comments posted as here

in Australia it is pretty blatant where Obama is heading.

And for any patriotic American to stand back and allow that will be to sound

the death knoll for Americans freedoms and rights and destroy a proud

country who have repeatedly stood up and stand accounted for in protecting

the rights and freedom of the world. AT great sacrifice.

Too many bury their heads in the sand and suffer from apathy and then when

it is too late they are quick to say, "Shit, what happened"



If all of you on this site have the testicular fortitude as has Jim, then

America could have a chance of remaining a proud nation.

You are being led by a man who will destroy the America that you, and we,

all know and enjoy and are proud of.



Good on you Jim. 



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N13472(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:07 pm Post subject: My final word on how I feel.

Three Cheers!!!  for Mr. Wise. Very well said! and thank you.

Tom Elliott

CJ-6A NX63727

777 Quartz Ave

PMB 7004

Sandy Valley NV

89019

Cell 702-595-2680



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rmhou(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:25 pm Post subject: My final word on how I feel.

http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2277&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=



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        From: Chris Wise <wise(at)txc.net.au>

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com 

 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:42 PM

 Subject: RE: Re: My final word on how I feel.

  

 

 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Chris Wise" <wise(at)txc.net.au (wise(at)txc.net.au)>



You are of course correct.

But a passion for ones country and the future of ones country is something

to be very proud of.

And for someone to stand up and be accounted for and say it as it is, is to

be commended.

Here in Australia, I agree wholeheartedly with the comments posted as here

in Australia it is pretty blatant where Obama is heading.

And for any patriotic American to stand back and allow that will be to sound

the death knoll for Americans freedoms and rights and destroy a proud

country who have repeatedly stood up and stand accounted for in protecting

the rights and freedom of the world. AT great sacrifice.

Too many bury their heads in the sand and suffer from apathy and then when

it is too late they are quick to say, "Shit, what happened"



If all of you on  this site have the testicular fortitude as has Jim, then

America could have a chance of remaining a proud nation.

You are being led by a man who will destroy the America that you, and we,

all know and enjoy and are proud of.



Good on you Jim. 



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threein60(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:50 pm Post subject: My final word on how I feel.

A man like pappy is wise experienced and insightful his advise it's always welcome.



Larry Pine

N8181C

CJ6/m14p



 

Tom Elliott <N13472(at)aol.com> wrote:

--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Elliott" <N13472(at)aol.com>



Three Cheers!!!  for Mr. Wise. Very well said! and thank you.

Tom Elliott

CJ-6A NX63727

777 Quartz Ave

PMB 7004

Sandy Valley NV

89019

Cell 702-595-2680



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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:08 pm Post subject: My final word on how I feel.

Well said Chris and Jim. I'll stand with either you anytime! 

This election not only will decide the future of this Republic but it will decide the fate of the world! 

This election is a simple choice. It is the difference between bondage in the form of Communism ( socialism, progressivism, and theocratic totalitarianism..whatever you want to call this new form of global governance) or Liberty as guaranteed by our Constitution. 

If you have not noticed, this administration has attached general aviation in ever subtle ways that encroach on our free airspace. From the FAA attempting to instituted user fees despite this president saying it will not happen. Throw in the tightening general airport security with erection of fences and single point access with ridiculous airports user ID cards that on work at on airport by the airhead goons at the TSA! One can only be thankful that their funding petered out and that congressional oversight returned in the form of a Republican House. Otherwise the TSA and Homeland Security would have nearly succeeded. 

Another four years and this administration will destroy the American dream! You can kiss free airspace and flying your Russian, Chinese, or any other spam can for that matter good bye. If you don't believe it take the time to watch 2016 The Movie. Read the Cloward Piven Strategy.  Then find a copy of Saul Alinsky's "Rules For Radicals". One best watch You Tube and Google fast. One only has 7 days to arrive at an informed decision. 

Sick of this political rancor and feel it does not belong here sure! To both counts. The BUT in this is that YOUR very FREEDOM to fly, live, and die are at stake in this election! If you don't believe me read the 2035 page Obamacare Bill! Yep, it was not about free health care for all. It is about control...of our lives from cradle to grave...yes, the 15 member unelected healthcare committee does exist and yes it does have the power to determine what happens to your life after age 70. 

So I'll say again, no I would like not to see or have this "politics" discussion here but if not here where? When the gate is closed on us wild pigs because we did not figure out that the free corn they kept putting out for us while they erected the fence of bondage all around us was completed when the gate was shut behind us?

The decision on 6 November 2012 is the most important vote we as Americans will make in our life times! I, like Jim, can not sit quietly knowing the gravity of this election! 

I did not spend my entire military career staring down Communism to quietly be placed in bondage by this  imposter in chief and his administration of communist minions! They are damned close if you botched to read any of the presidential fiats over the past three years ( executive orders). 

If we don't discuss it now...then when do we? When this Administration takes over total control under the pretense of a national emergency? 

Just remember...FOUR DIED AND OBAMA LIED!

Do you still believe the Hope and Change BS?! The choice is simple, vote for Communism or vote for Liberty. 

It's your vote on November 6, 2012. It may be the one you have that is made of your free choice.

Doc



Sent from my iPad



On Oct 30, 2012, at 7:42 PM, "Chris Wise" <wise(at)txc.net.au> wrote:



[quote] 

 

 You are of course correct.

 But a passion for ones country and the future of ones country is something

 to be very proud of.

 And for someone to stand up and be accounted for and say it as it is, is to

 be commended.

 Here in Australia, I agree wholeheartedly with the comments posted as here

 in Australia it is pretty blatant where Obama is heading.

 And for any patriotic American to stand back and allow that will be to sound

 the death knoll for Americans freedoms and rights and destroy a proud

 country who have repeatedly stood up and stand accounted for in protecting

 the rights and freedom of the world. AT great sacrifice.

 Too many bury their heads in the sand and suffer from apathy and then when

 it is too late they are quick to say, "Shit, what happened"

 

 If all of you on this site have the testicular fortitude as has Jim, then

 America could have a chance of remaining a proud nation.

 You are being led by a man who will destroy the America that you, and we,

 all know and enjoy and are proud of.

 

 Good on you Jim. 

 

 --

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:11 pm Post subject: My final word on how I feel.

One question. Is your very freedom to fly not pertinent to this list? 

Doc



Sent from my iPad



On Oct 30, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Robin Hou <rmhou(at)yahoo.com (rmhou(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:



[quote]http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2277&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=



Form Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines:



"discussion for things related to this particular discussion group"







[b]"keep all posts related to the List at some level"

[/b]

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relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it."

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        From: Chris Wise <wise(at)txc.net.au (wise(at)txc.net.au)>

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:42 PM

 Subject: RE: Re: My final word on how I feel.

  

 

 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Chris Wise" <wise(at)txc.net.au (wise(at)txc.net.au)>



You are of course correct.

But a passion for ones country and the future of ones country is something

to be very proud of.

And for someone to stand up and be accounted for and say it as it is, is to

be commended.

Here in Australia, I agree wholeheartedly with the comments posted as here

in Australia it is pretty blatant where Obama is heading.

And for any patriotic American to stand back and allow that will be to sound

the death knoll for Americans freedoms and rights and destroy a proud

country who have repeatedly stood up and stand accounted for in protecting

the rights and freedom of the world. AT great sacrifice.

Too many bury their heads in the sand and suffer from apathy and then when

it is too late they are quick to say, "Shit, what happened"



If all of you on  this site have the testicular fortitude as has Jim, then

America could have a chance of remaining a proud nation.

You are being led by a man who will destroy the America that you, and we,

all know and enjoy and are proud of.



Good on you Jim. 



--

wlannon(at)shaw.ca
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:22 pm Post subject: My final word on how I feel.

Chris;



You recognized Ron's comments to keep this CRAP off the list as correct. 

Then you go ahead and pile on another load of political crap.



Walt



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wise(at)txc.net.au
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:56 pm Post subject: My final word on how I feel.

G'Day Walt,



Yep, I know.

Thing is, I did start with a But, and also simply admire someone who loves

his county and is prepared to be accounted for.

Walt, we are a lucky breed to be able to fly our Yaks or whatever and enjoy

the brotherhood, the camaraderie and the remaining freedom that we have.

It is under threat, here in Australia as well.

You Americans should be dammed proud of your achievements and your great

country.

You should be proud of the armed forces personnel who have defended and died

doing so,not only for America, but the world.

We all have a new threat, a threat that does not recognize our way of life

and if unchecked, will destroy both of our freedoms and bloody great way of

life that we are blessed with.

Cheers, Chris.



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jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:25 pm Post subject: My final word on how I feel.

Living in Europe, and particularly in one of the most corrupt countries

(belgium), I concur fully with that!

Jan

On 31/10/12 04:05, "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com> wrote:

[quote]

<viperdoc(at)mindspring.com>

Well said Chris and Jim. I'll stand with either you anytime!

This election not only will decide the future of this Republic but it

will decide the fate of the world!

This election is a simple choice. It is the difference between bondage in

the form of Communism ( socialism, progressivism, and theocratic

totalitarianism..whatever you want to call this new form of global

governance) or Liberty as guaranteed by our Constitution.

If you have not noticed, this administration has attached general

aviation in ever subtle ways that encroach on our free airspace. From the

FAA attempting to instituted user fees despite this president saying it

will not happen. Throw in the tightening general airport security with

erection of fences and single point access with ridiculous airports user

ID cards that on work at on airport by the airhead goons at the TSA! One

can only be thankful that their funding petered out and that

congressional oversight returned in the form of a Republican House.

Otherwise the TSA and Homeland Security would have nearly succeeded.

Another four years and this administration will destroy the American

dream! You can kiss free airspace and flying your Russian, Chinese, or

any other spam can for that matter good bye. If you don't believe it take

the time to watch 2016 The Movie. Read the Cloward Piven Strategy.  Then

find a copy of Saul Alinsky's "Rules For Radicals". One best watch You

Tube and Google fast. One only has 7 days to arrive at an informed

decision. 

Sick of this political rancor and feel it does not belong here sure! To

both counts. The BUT in this is that YOUR very FREEDOM to fly, live, and

die are at stake in this election! If you don't believe me read the 2035

page Obamacare Bill! Yep, it was not about free health care for all. It

is about control...of our lives from cradle to grave...yes, the 15 member

unelected healthcare committee does exist and yes it does have the power

to determine what happens to your life after age 70.

So I'll say again, no I would like not to see or have this "politics"

discussion here but if not here where? When the gate is closed on us wild

pigs because we did not figure out that the free corn they kept putting

out for us while they erected the fence of bondage all around us was

completed when the gate was shut behind us?

The decision on 6 November 2012 is the most important vote we as

Americans will make in our life times! I, like Jim, can not sit quietly

knowing the gravity of this election!

I did not spend my entire military career staring down Communism to

quietly be placed in bondage by this  imposter in chief and his

administration of communist minions! They are damned close if you botched

to read any of the presidential fiats over the past three years (

executive orders).

If we don't discuss it now...then when do we? When this Administration

takes over total control under the pretense of a national emergency?

Just remember...FOUR DIED AND OBAMA LIED!

Do you still believe the Hope and Change BS?! The choice is simple, vote

for Communism or vote for Liberty.

It's your vote on November 6, 2012. It may be the one you have that is

made of your free choice.

Doc

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 30, 2012, at 7:42 PM, "Chris Wise" <wise(at)txc.net.au> wrote:

> 

> 

> You are of course correct.

> But a passion for ones country and the future of ones country is

>something

> to be very proud of.

> And for someone to stand up and be accounted for and say it as it is,

>is to

> be commended.

> Here in Australia, I agree wholeheartedly with the comments posted as

>here

> in Australia it is pretty blatant where Obama is heading.

> And for any patriotic American to stand back and allow that will be to

>sound

> the death knoll for Americans freedoms and rights and destroy a proud

> country who have repeatedly stood up and stand accounted for in

>protecting

> the rights and freedom of the world. AT great sacrifice.

> Too many bury their heads in the sand and suffer from apathy and then

>when

> it is too late they are quick to say, "Shit, what happened"

> 

> If all of you on this site have the testicular fortitude as has Jim,

>then

> America could have a chance of remaining a proud nation.

> You are being led by a man who will destroy the America that you, and

>we,

> all know and enjoy and are proud of.

> 

> Good on you Jim.

> 

> --

hess737(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:16 am Post subject: My final word on how I feel.

Gents,

   I wouldn't normally respond to this thread but here goes.

    

   The Warbird community, especially the jets, is under attack from the FAA. They don't like fast movers, which means the administration does not like fast movers. Our own poor operational safety record does not help at all, or guys going out and shining their tail.

    

   You might not think if jet operations are restricted that it impacts you but I would disagree. It is a creeping bureaucracy. That is why groups like CJAA and EAA Warbirds fight these things very hard. In the end, it is keeping at bay something that could restrict you and others in the future.

    

   Politics do not belong on this forum except for how they might impact your ability to exercise your privelege or right (depending on your viewpoint) to fly Warbirds. There is plenty to discuss on this single subject. Let's keep it focused. )

    

   Mongoose

 

 

 

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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:30 am Post subject: My final word on how I feel.

I agree that by and large this is not the place for political

discussion, although that has never stopped anyone from posting anything

else "they" happen to feel is important, that in some vague way or

another can be tied to aviation.   



But I do disagree with your particular usage of the word "crap" when

responding to this particular persons comment.  



Many MANY topics on the YAK list deserve that label, this one much less

than others in my opinion.  



If you read the interview in AOPA Pilot, and keep up with the news, you

should know that President Obama is ALL FOR "Usage Fees" for certain

General Aviation users.  That by and of itself makes this election an

"Aviation Topic".  



So if you want General Aviation user fees, then by all means support

President Obama.  If you do not, then I strongly suggest you consider a

different administration.  



There... now it relates to airplanes and is no longer crap.  



Mark Bitterlich



p.s.  The best way to stop discussion on any topic is simply to not

comment on whatever someone says that bothers you.  Commenting on it and

asking people to stop simply fans the fire.  Something I have learned

from personal experience.  Just an FYI .....     

 



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bu131(at)swbell.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:47 am Post subject: My final word on how I feel.

users fees are so critical some aviation gents do not realize the importance.

Go to Europe and see how dead GA is 

you have to pay for using the airways, for filing a flight plan, for landing and take off

its so bad that when flying IFR an instrument approach has to be paid in  euros on top

if this issue is "crap" then I agree with Mark we need to be discussing it and become scatological experts.

you call the cards but don't cry when it comes to you and your vote is the source of the problem.

ak

        From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com 

 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:27 AM

 Subject: RE: Re: My final word on how I feel.

  

 

 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)>



I agree that by and large this is not the place for political

discussion, although that has never stopped anyone from posting anything

else "they" happen to feel is important, that in some vague way or

another can be tied to aviation.   



But I do disagree with your particular usage of the word "crap" when

responding to this particular persons comment.  



Many MANY topics on the YAK list deserve that label, this one much less

than others in my opinion.  



If you read the interview in AOPA Pilot, and keep up with the news, you

should know that President Obama is ALL FOR "Usage Fees" for certain

General Aviation users.  That by and of itself makes this election an

"Aviation Topic".  



So  if you want General Aviation user fees, then by all means support

President Obama.  If you do not, then I strongly suggest you consider a

different administration.  



There... now it relates to airplanes and is no longer crap.  



Mark Bitterlich



p.s.  The best way to stop discussion on any topic is simply to not

comment on whatever someone says that bothers you.  Commenting on it and

asking people to stop simply fans the fire.  Something I have learned

from personal experience.  Just an FYI .....     

 



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bwade154(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:31 am Post subject: My final word on how I feel.

I Agree Mongoose and could never figure out why a politicians safety-life is supposedly more worthy than the rest of the population i.e. TFR's looks like the one over Washington DC will become permanent and our current President sure gets around but what brought us all this protection were commercial airlines? go figure. My political affiliation is Libertarian and I will stand with Jim. 

Bill Wade and I'm OK Edinburg NY - Lake Placid  FL

  From: "hess737(at)aol.com" <hess737(at)aol.com>

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com 

 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:14 AM

 Subject: Re: Re: My final word on how I feel.

 Gents,

   I wouldn't normally respond to this thread but here goes.

   The Warbird community, especially the jets, is under attack from the FAA. They don't like fast movers, which means the administration does not like fast movers. Our own poor operational safety record does not help at all, or guys going out and shining their tail.

   You might not think if jet operations are restricted that it impacts you but I would disagree. It is a creeping bureaucracy. That is why groups like CJAA and EAA Warbirds fight these things very hard. In the end, it is keeping at bay something that could restrict you and others in the future.

   Politics do not belong on this forum except for how they might impact your ability to exercise your privelege or right (depending on your viewpoint) to fly Warbirds. There is plenty to discuss on this single subject. Let's keep it focused. )

   Mongoose

   --

jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:40 am Post subject: My final word on how I feel.

What Andres states is so true: GA is very expensive in Europe, due to all kinds of fees and restrictions and regulations.

And that indeed is the result of socialist or liberal governments that want to CONTROL everything.

In belgium, (capital is BRUSSELS), we used to be relatively free. If something was not strictly forbidden by law, then it was allowed.

Since 1968, socialists, crypto-communists and all kind of leftist rats gained power, slowly, by infiltrating into the system.

Since then, thanks to the crooks that govern us and the European "super"state, we lost our freedom: if something is not explicitly allowed by law or regulation, then it is forbidden.

Voting does not change anything anymore. The result of elections will always be manipulated.

You Americans don't know how lucky you (still) are. 

But you'll have to be vigilant and careful to keep your freedom.

The same forces that took ours, are active over there.

My opinion, and I don't care if someone calls it "crap".

Jan





From:  Dr Andres Katz <bu131(at)swbell.net (bu131(at)swbell.net)>

Reply-To:  "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>

Date:  Wednesday 31 October 2012 16:44

To:  "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>

Subject:  Re: Yak-List: Re: My final word on how I feel.



users fees are so critical some aviation gents do not realize the importance.

Go to Europe and see how dead GA is 

you have to pay for using the airways, for filing a flight plan, for landing and take off

its so bad that when flying IFR an instrument approach has to be paid in  euros on top

if this issue is "crap" then I agree with Mark we need to be discussing it and become scatological experts.

you call the cards but don't cry when it comes to you and your vote is the source of the problem.

ak

        From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)>

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:27 AM

 Subject: RE: Re: My final word on how I feel.

  

 

 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)>



I agree that by and large this is not the place for political

discussion, although that has never stopped anyone from posting anything

else "they" happen to feel is important, that in some vague way or

another can be tied to aviation.   



But I do disagree with your particular usage of the word "crap" when

responding to this particular persons comment.  



Many MANY topics on the YAK list deserve that label, this one much less

than others in my opinion.  



If you read the interview in AOPA Pilot, and keep up with the news, you

should know that President Obama is ALL FOR "Usage Fees" for certain

General Aviation users.  That by and of itself makes this election an

"Aviation Topic".  



So  if you want General Aviation user fees, then by all means support

President Obama.  If you do not, then I strongly suggest you consider a

different administration.  



There... now it relates to airplanes and is no longer crap.  



Mark Bitterlich



p.s.  The best way to stop discussion on any topic is simply to not

comment on whatever someone says that bothers you.  Commenting on it and

asking people to stop simply fans the fire.  Something I have learned

from personal experience.  Just an FYI .....     

 



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Cliff.Coy

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Posts: 46

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:04 am Post subject: My final word on how I feel.

or...maybe we're just stuck with it?

"The Problem with First Past the Post Voting Systems"



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

 



On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Olivier Vigneron <ssssskippy(at)gmail.com (ssssskippy(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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2012/10/30 " <cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com)>

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       Family, friends, fellow Aviators,

       

      Unless you have been living under a rock these weeks or have "turned off" out of frustration of endless political adds and claims, you should know that Obama's actions on Libya provide a reasonable reason to impeach him (at least in my view).  There are at best excuses for what appears to be deliberate 1. Total distrust and understanding of accurate intelligence BEFORE it happened.  2. Total disregard for the for the pleases to increase security.  3. Paralyzed on his decision making during the attack.  4. A cover up to blame it on a video.  5. Now the firings of those commanders who dared to questioned his decisions during the attack.

         

      Add to the total incompetence of his political plans (very anti - American in my view and indicative IF you know his up-bringing), he has in a very short time brought America to a very tenuous place.  The man is a charlatan in every aspect, you just need to look closer.  (Look at his wedding ring, (well documented), its inscription "Only one God and that is Allah"  This from a man who professes being a Christian?)

         

      Those of you who are "on the fence" and consider yourselves "Independents", (or even some Republicans who didn't like Mitt in the primaries.  I was one.) remember you are NOT hearing the full story of this man from normal media sources & NPR.  You folks in Ohio because of the Electoral College, may throw this election in favor of Obama because "he saved the auto industry".  You may find that all that loyalty will have been wasted when that industry will be subject to REAL world market norms.  You union folks just bet your life and that of your children on man who broke the very basic laws of our land to give you blood money.

         

      For the sake of our nation and that of our children and grandchildren, know who you vote for.  I hope it is Mitt.  If you can't bring yourself to vote for a white guy because it would be 'raciest' than just don't vote (That is not a responsible reason).  If you can't vote for Mitt because he's "so rich" ask yourself if you wouldn't like to be in the same boat.  (Jealousy of wealth or anything else has ever been adult).  For those lock step democrats, there is nothing I can say to you.  History (it won't be far away) will be your harshest judge.

         

      Vent your spine, I shan't respond.

      Jim (Yep I voted for Carter) Goolsby

   

   

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mmayfield

Joined: 09 Oct 2009
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Location: NSW Central Coast, Australia

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: My final word on how I feel.

Oh great.



I thought McCarthyism died out decades ago. Looks like it is being revived right here on the Yak List. Surprised it hasn't yet descended into talk of forged birth certificates.



Probably a good reason for me to unsubscribe if I have to continue reading this drivel.

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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:29 am Post subject: My final word on how I feel.

Forged birth certificates?

I fully agree:  do unsubscribe please, ASAP!!!!



Jan



On 02/11/12 05:50, "mmayfield" <mmayfield(at)ozemail.com.au> wrote:



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Oh great.



I thought McCarthyism died out decades ago. Looks like it is being

revived right here on the Yak List. Surprised it hasn't yet descended

into talk of forged birth certificates.



Probably a good reason for me to unsubscribe if I have to continue

reading this drivel.



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Mike



Your political opinions are noted. And ignored.





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