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Ralph Hoover

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 206
Location: Central Ohio

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:51 pm Post subject: Where's the love?

Guys, Is it the heat? Are some of you gentlemen  in need an E.D. medication? Did something crawl up into someone's orifices? Here in Ohio it has rained a great deal, perhaps it could be the lack of flight time or just the humidity, but lets maintain some form of kindness for our fellow brothers.



Guys, Guys.....'Where's the Love?"



Planecrazy, No one here would dare mess with a man with a dog as big as that one next to you at your plane. Lighten-up! And personally, I am glad you shared your press system with at least me. I hope I never need one, but if so, that will certanly come in handy. But lets drop the bitterness, please.



Max, play fare, go home or we take away the toys and send you home to mommy!



Lar, I love-ya man!  (please note: "That I mean that in a gentlemanly way).



Matt, Send out the dogs of war for these poor souls, before they destroy each other.



Now I want to see and feel some love here on the Kolb site or I'm gonna buy me a Challenger and hang with a more loving, intellectually stimulating group of men that have nothing to prove in their virile manhood!

pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:24 pm Post subject: Where's the love?

I'm gonna buy me a Challenger and hang with a more loving, intellectually 

stimulating group of men that have nothing to prove in their virile 

manhood!>>



Its uncanny Ralph!.  Thats me to a `T`.



By a strange coincidence I have a Challenger for sale. Very reasonable price 

as I must get it out of my hamgar to make room for the Kolb which I expect 

any day now.



Rang the CAA (the last obstacle to my flying the Kolb) on Thursday to see 

where the paperwork was. The guy looked around and reported that it was 

actually on his colleagues desk and he was working on it and  I should get 

my clearance `in a day or two`.



After so many holdups I shall  believe it when I see it but there does seem 

to be real danger of being able to fly the Kolb soon.



In the meantime had a lovely evening flight for an hour last night in he 

Challenger. Why am I changing?  You guys talked me into it....well...sort 

of.



Cheers



Pat



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Max Stanford

Joined: 25 Mar 2006
Posts: 10

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: Where's the love?

 	  Ralph Hoover wrote: 	
		  

Now I want to see and feel some love here on the Kolb site or I'm gonna buy me a Challenger and hang with a more loving, intellectually stimulating group of men that have nothing to prove in their virile manhood!

	




The Kolb is a better ultralight, but I have to agree that the Challenger group are a better buch than we have here.   From what I have seen on the Kolb list over the years is a group of old guys that fancy themselves as gentlemen...  In reality they are a clique that uses tatics of group bashing of whoever they dont like and trying run them off the list.  Their post are often worse and more scathing than they people they are trying to "correct".  The conduct of this group is some of the worst that I have  seen in any forum. 



They should look at their own conduct before judging others.

Russ Kinne

Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Posts: 182

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:46 pm Post subject: Where's the love?

FINE! -- just don 't look at Kolb-ers any more and you'll be happier.

Goodbye.

On Jun 4, 2006, at 4:58 PM, Max Stanford wrote:

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 <maxstanford77(at)yahoo.com>

 Ralph Hoover wrote:

>

> Now I want to see and feel some love here on the Kolb site or I'm  

> gonna buy me a Challenger and hang with a more loving,  

> intellectually stimulating group of men that have nothing to prove  

> in their virile manhood!

>

 The Kolb is a better ultralight, but I have to agree that the  

 Challenger group are a better buch than we have here.   From what I  

 have seen on the Kolb list over the years is a group of old guys  

 that fancy themselves as gentlemen...  In reality they are a clique  

 that uses tatics of group bashing of whoever they dont like and  

 trying run them off the list.  Their post are often worse and more  

 scathing than they people they are trying to "correct".  The  

 conduct of this group is some of the worst that I have  seen in any  

 forum.

 They should look at their own conduct before judging others.

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 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38521#38521

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:57 pm Post subject: Where's the love?

| 

<maxstanford77(at)yahoo.com>

 |

 | They should look at their own conduct before judging others.



Hi Max/All:



Wasn't gonna reply to anything you had to say, but...............



Was wondering if you happen to read what you write, and if you do, do 

you take it to heart???



john h (Old fart, still flying and enjoying my Kolb, and the many 

friends that fly them)

mkIII



PS:  Max, what are you flying and where are you located?

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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: Where's the love?

I didn't hear/read anything did anybody else?



One more for the filters.



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Rick Neilsen

Redrive VW powered MKIIIc

 

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dhkey(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject: Where's the love?

Nice, I added Max and planecrazy to my filters too!

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[quote]From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>

Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

To: <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Re: Where's the love?

Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 19:37:10 -0400




<NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>



I didn't hear/read anything did anybody else?



One more for the filters.



Do not archive



Rick Neilsen

Redrive VW powered MKIIIc



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Earl Zimmerman

Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 35
Location: Elizabethtown, PA

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:44 pm Post subject: Where's the love?

Max Stanford wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 The Kolb is a better ultralight, but I have to agree that the Challenger group are a better buch than we have here.   From what I have seen on the Kolb list over the years is a group of old guys that fancy themselves as gentlemen...  In reality they are a clique that uses tatics of group bashing of whoever they dont like and trying run them off the list.  Their post are often worse and more scathing than they people they are trying to "correct".  The conduct of this group is some of the worst that I have  seen in any forum. 

 

 They should look at their own conduct before judging others.

 


	


Sounds to me like Jetpilot's cousin or maybe he himself back under a 

different name?? Oh well it takes all kinds to make the world go round! 

We should remember that it's because of people like this that cause us 

to love people like Lar sooo much!     ~ Earl

Dave Bigelow

Joined: 29 Jan 2006
Posts: 103
Location: Kamuela, Hawaii

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:04 am Post subject: Re: Where's the love?

Guys - take a look at Max Stanford's email address.  It's a freebe from Yahoo.  Anyone can register a fake name and email address there (or on Hotmail).



Whoever the idiot is, you can bet his name is not Max Stanford.  I'm thinking someone who has made himself unpopular on the list, and is back with an alias messing with people's minds.



We really need to ask Matt to ban anyone who "flames" on this list.  The "flamer" will probably show up with another alias.  Thing is to ask Matt to ban anyone who flames another on the list, and do not reply to the ignorant dolt.  He'll soon get tired of being ignored and go away.

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Dave Bigelow
Kamuela, Hawaii
FS2, HKS 700E

FS2Kolb(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:53 am Post subject: Where's the love?

Sounds like this person is trying to sign up some more members to the  Challenger group in a kinda round way, could be a Challenger dealer.   

  

 I would not be in favor of censoring the list.

  

 Do not archive.

  

 In a message dated 6/4/2006 2:59:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  maxstanford77(at)yahoo.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  The Kolb    is a better ultralight, but I have to agree that the Challenger group are a    better buch than we have here.

jstewart(at)inebraska.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:09 am Post subject: Where's the love?

    There is no Max Stanford  on the Challenger list (I'm the owner of it).  So, the previous poster is  probably correct, in that it's a fake name and address.  I doubt he's a  Challenger dealer, though.  Being a member of both lists for almost a  decade, I'd say that the Kolb list is very well behaved.  We've had our  brawls on the C list, but since I'm right there and have several moderators, we  can usually put out the fire pretty fast.

     Matt can probably track  his IP address and find out who he is (I'm an ISP also).

  

J.D. Stewart

UltraFun AirSports, LLC

http://www.ultrafunairsports.com

Challenger e-mail  list

http://challenger.inebraska.com

Titan e-mail list

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/  

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Bob Brockman

Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Posts: 15

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: Where's the love?

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  I have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total  bunch of whiner with nothing else to do.

 I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a better  airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger.

 They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that  here.

 bob

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George Alexander

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 245
Location: SW Florida

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: Where's the love?

Bob:

 As many often say..... "Don't be too quick  to judge."  If you have only been on this list a week, you are not getting  a representative sample of the value of the list or its contributors.   With all due respect to the members of the Challenger list (or any other  for that matter) with human beings as participants, the anonymity of the  Internet and a host of other factors, the Kolb list is as good or better,  overall, than any of them.  Granted there are occasional bumps, a few egos  to contend with, a few pranksters, a couple of wise guys, and even a couple of  town clowns.  But on the whole a really great bunch of people who  contribute a lot of knowledge (and pleasure) to a lot of us.  

 My view is that the key is to be able to  take each message for what it is worth to you as an individual.  If it  isn't worth your time, hit the delete key or set your filters or whatever it  takes.  It isn't that much trouble to get to the good stuff.  Or if  you would rather, you can whine about the whiners and/or go someplace  else.

 George Alexander

 http://gtalexander.home.att.net

  

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FS II R503
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Ralph Hoover

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 206
Location: Central Ohio

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Where's the love?

George, You took the words right out of my mouth, with the exception of the "town Clowns"! I don't believe we have any of those, with the exception of that English guy "Pat something"! Ha. HA. 



 Wha'd I do with them big rubber feet I always keep around. Wife must be using my make-up!



Lost my red nose in Ohio, Ralph!



And P.S. THere ain't no way on this green earth that I would rather own anything but a Kolb. Except maby a helicopter. But thats only if I could get it in the air and keep it there.



Do not arechive!

FS2Kolb(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:12 am Post subject: Where's the love?

In a message dated 6/5/2006 10:59:03 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  packerbeagle(at)msn.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  I have    never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total bunch of    whiner with nothing else to do. 	


 

 Hi Bob,

 Going by your judgmental whinnying, do we meet at Monument  Valley and whine all day long with nothing else to do?

  

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wcm(at)tampabay.rr.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:00 pm Post subject: Where's the love?

Well, I'll be damned ...........  Max Stanford is  back,  This time as Bob Brockman.

  

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 [quote]    

   



<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->      I have never answered a message before. This group sounds like a total    bunch of whiner with nothing else to do.

   I have looked at this group for over a week. I agree you may fly a better    airplane in the Kolb but, I'll go with the Challenger.

   They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that    here.

   bob

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Max Stanford

Joined: 25 Mar 2006
Posts: 10

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Where's the love?

[quote="Bob Brockman

I'll go with the Challenger.

 They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that  here.

 bob

 [/quote]



I agree with you 100 % Bob, you are the third person in a few days to make the observation of how much nicer the Challenger people are.   The people here in the Kolb list are in such denial they will probably accuse you of being someone else or trying to sell Challengers also.  I am frankly tired of seeing this group of guys ganging up on anyone that disagrees or offends anyone in their little â€œcliqueâ€.   For years they have demanded that others show respect and be on their best behavior, while ignoring some of the worst posts and attacks ever seen on this list by members of their own little group.  I have never seen any other group try to intimidate and run people off the list like the Kolb group has.  Not all the Kolb people are guilty of doing this, but there is a small, very vocal group that has made the entire Kolb community look bad.



The Challenger list has a far better group of guys that welcome others, and treat them with respect even if you are not a member of their â€œcliqueâ€.   They most definitely do not gang up and try to intimidate others even when a disagreement arises.  And to answer your question, no I do not sell Challengers, the people here on the Kolb list do a better job of selling people on Challengers than I ever could.

wcm(at)tampabay.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject: Where's the love?

Max,



According to your post you have been lurking on this list for years 

........ why?



Seems like you don't have anything positive to add to this list. Are you 

some kind of self appointed "Hall Monitor? In all likelihood you don't own 

an airplane of any kind and don't have anywhere where you actually "fit in" 

so you lurk, pretending to be part of something that you can't.



Please do yourself a favor and get away from all of these horrible people 

before they taint you.



You don't seem to like anyone here (except maybe Bob, who is just a carbon 

copy butthead just like you) and we sure as hell don't like you, we don't 

even like you just reading what we write, so go somewhere ...... the 

Challenger list is good, the Jiffy store, Walmart, anywhere .... just not 

here.



Bye Bye now

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DAquaNut(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: Where's the love?

In a message dated 6/5/2006 11:59:07 A.M. Central Standard Time,  packerbeagle(at)msn.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		     They deal with real problems and help each other. I don't see that    here.

   bob

	


 

                Bob, 

  

            If you had  been around for longer than a week You would know that I for one have been  helped more than you can imagine, from people on this list. If the Kolb list is  so bad, Why do you and others reply to it,  instead of the Challenger list.  I wouldn't want want to be associated with a group, If I felt like you say You  do. It sounds to me like You and a few others are upset  cause you  dont have a Kolb !

  

                Ed

DAquaNut(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: Where's the love?

In a message dated 6/5/2006 6:18:17 P.M. Central Standard Time,  maxstanford77(at)yahoo.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  

The    Challenger list has a far better group of guys that welcome others, and treat    them with respect even if you are not a member of their    Ã¢â‚¬Å“cliqueÃ¢â‚¬Â.   They most definitely do not gang up and try to    intimidate others even when a disagreement arises.  And to answer your    question, no I do not sell Challengers, the people here on the Kolb list do a    better job of selling people on Challengers than I ever  could.

	


 

       Yo  Max,

  

      Obviously you are not a part of that better group  of guys or you would not be calling certain people on the  Kolb   list  idiots,as we have seen you do. Are you angry because you have nothing  to fly?

  

              Ed

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