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alienwes

Joined: 11 Dec 2012
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Location: Roswell, NM

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:00 pm Post subject: CFI with KOLB?

I think the best way to learn if I want a KOLB is to find a CFI who trains in one. Does anyone know of a CFI with a KOLB? Also, any recommendations on who is the best for learning to fly a KOLB? I live in New Mexico and would appreciate any leads.



I am a current Sport Pilot with Powered Parachute endorsement.



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Dana

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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:56 am Post subject: CFI with KOLB?

At 11:00 AM 12/17/2012, Richard Girard wrote:

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		  For a CFI to train you in an ELSA Kolb that he owns (there are no SLSA Kolbs) will require him to get what is known as a Letter of Deviation Authority from the FAA. LODA's are granted for transition training, not primary flight training... 	


 Actually, a LODA can now be issued for primary training in an "ultralight like" experimental, be it ELSA or E-AB.  The hours don't count toward any certificate.  I don't know how many, if any, have actually been issued, though.



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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject: CFI with KOLB?

ther is another way to get the experence you need 

I sponsor  a "fly for fun club". I was a BFI in the later days of Ultralight flying before Light sport was created. I now have an EAB and provide people with the experience of flying - for ultralights and some transition experience through my club, "Malcolm's fly for fun club". When a person joins my club, they read the mission statement for the club and sign a waiver, after that they are a member for life. The dues they pay are directly related to the activty they participate in. Because I am not a CFI their experience is not applicable to any rating. I follow the ASC BFI training syllabus and really enjoy doing it. I also go to fly-ins and give  discovery flights; we really have a good time. 

The FAA  has published some information on flying clubs, the EAA has also. I have talked to the EAA about this topic several times and feel I have a good handle on the concept and process. Some industry leaders have told me that the Club thing is probably the only thing that ultralights have left as far as training goes. 

 

   My original concept was to have a national organization dedicated to the idea of creating flying clubs; charging people to join as a BFI, having requirements and offering benefits like the  EAA, ASC and USUA once did. But, I have decided  to take a different approach. Now I would like to post the guidelines and concepts for free on  all the user groups.  Kind of like a real grass roots flying club. It would be nice if people used the "fly for fun club" phrase in the name of their club, as this would lead to a recognition of the legitimacy of the program. It can be as complicated as the sponsor wants it to be; using a corporation, finding insurance, becoming a CFI or whatever the individual wants to do with it.

  

 I decided not to become a CFI because in Michigan, if I fly 50 hrs a year and charge the going rate for instruction, at $70/hr It would be hard to gross $3,500 a year and most 2 seat airplane operators know that would never come close to making a profit in this industry.

 

A club sponsor, the owner of the plane, would be responsible for promoting the club concept to everyone he flies with and would need to be vigilant when conducting club activities, as much as any other "professional" in the aviation industry . 

The "Club thing" is not just a loop hole schemed up to raise havoc and chaos in the flying community . It's not for everyone. I know if a guy  does not like the idea I'll never convince him; and I don't want to  waste my time trying. However, the skeptics have helped me develop the concept. 

 Since the FAA has no requirement that a club be formed with a written contract,a  corporation,or insured, once the concept is fully understood by the club sponsor and the club member, an informal understanding between these 2  people is all that is required for participation; and the flying club is up and running. 

 This sounds simple, and it is.  There are those who choose to insist that such simple things do not exist, such as "ultralights".  But, others of us realize that they do, and it is up to us to utilize them while we still can.

 

     

An "Ultralight" story   by Malcolm Brubaker

 

One day Bigfoot was down at the lake when the local Mermaid appeared. "It's been a while since I've seen you, Big Guy!" she said. "What have you been up to?". "Learning to fly" was Bigfoot's response. 

"I don't see any wings on your back, Angel..." 

"Of course not, I built an Ultralight aircraft!"

"What! Everyone knows there is no such thing as an "Ultralight."

"Sure there is. Wait here, I will show you."

Bigfoot took off down the path. As he rounded a curve he saw Tinkerbell; she was hovering over what appeared to be a human, furiously beating her wings and apparently talking to herself. Bigfoot thought,  "what's that nutty blond doing now?" As he approached he could make out her words... "I DO believe in Ultralights, I DO, I DO..." over and over again.

"Tinkerbell, What are you doing! What happened to the human?" exclaimed Bigfoot.

Tinkerbell responded, somewhat breathlessly, "Don't you know? Everytime someone says "There is no such thing as Ultralights", somewhere, another pilot dies!"

      



 

Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker 

Michigan Sport Pilot Repair 

http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/

LSRM-A, PPC, WS

Great Sails - Sailmaker 

for Ultralight & Light Sport

(989)513-3022

 

 

 

 

 

Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker 

Michigan Sport Pilot Repair 

 http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/

 LSRM-A, PPC, WS

Great Sails - Sailmaker 

for Ultralight & Light Sport

(989)513-3022

  

  

  

  

      

  From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>

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 Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 12:55 PM

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 At 11:00 AM 12/17/2012, Richard Girard wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  For a CFI to train you in an ELSA Kolb that he owns (there are no SLSA Kolbs) will require him to get what is known as a Letter of Deviation Authority from the FAA. LODA's are granted for transition training, not primary flight training... 	
 	  Quote: 	
		  	


 Actually, a LODA can now be issued for primary training in an "ultralight like" experimental, be it ELSA or E-AB.  The hours don't count toward any certificate.  I don't know how many, if any, have actually been issued, though.



 -Dana

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