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rv10flyer(at)live.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:29 am Post subject: RV-10 nose gear failure

http://www.faa.gov/data_research/accident_incident/preliminary_data/media/M_0102_N.txt

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rleffler

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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:03 am Post subject: Re: RV-10 nose gear failure

Looks like Bob Kaufman's RV-10.  I don't think Bob participates on the list.



Rick S., are your aware what happened?



bob

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Tim Olson

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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:07 am Post subject: RV-10 nose gear failure

I hadn't heard that he was flying....did he just recently

get first flight or has he been flying for a while?

I know he originally was looking at doing a Rotary?, but I

don't know if he ended up doing it or going with the

usual.  Sad to hear though, about the nose gear thing,

but very good that there were no fatals on the list of

statistics.



Tim

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On 1/2/2013 12:03 PM, rleffler wrote:

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 Looks like Bob Kaufman's RV-10.  I don't think Bob participates on the list.



 Rick S., are your aware what happened?



 bob



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bcondrey

Joined: 03 Apr 2006
Posts: 580

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:32 am Post subject: RV-10 nose gear failure

Bob K and I exchanged email a few weeks ago and he said at that point he was getting close.Â  He changed horses and went with a Lycoming to get it in the air.Â  I haven't heard from him since...

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 Bob

 On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 

I hadn't heard that he was flying....did he just recently

get first flight or has he been flying for a while?

I know he originally was looking at doing a Rotary?, but I

don't know if he ended up doing it or going with the

 usual. Â Sad to hear though, about the nose gear thing,

but very good that there were no fatals on the list of

statistics.



Tim

do not archive



On 1/2/2013 12:03 PM, rleffler wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "rleffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)>

 

Looks like Bob Kaufman's RV-10. Â I don't think Bob participates on the list.



Rick S., are your aware what happened?



bob



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rv10flyer(at)live.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:03 pm Post subject: RV-10 nose gear failure

Came across some pictures of the plane. Looks like the front gear ripped off 

and there is oil all over the belly, not sure which one came first however.



Not to spread a theory, but my understanding is that the plane did not flare 

completely when it contacted the runway, possible pushrod related. Only the 

NTSB report and Bob can confirm that.

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EdKranz

Joined: 29 Dec 2010
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Location: Hastings, MN

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:07 pm Post subject: RV-10 nose gear failure

Purely speculation, but I gotta figure that the oil on the belly was there before the nose gear collapse. There is a good amount of oil, and it's wind blown all the way back to the tail. 

 



On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote:

[quote] Came across some pictures of the plane. Looks like the front gear ripped off and there is oil all over the belly, not sure which one came first however.

 

 Not to spread a theory, but my understanding is that the plane did not flare completely when it contacted the runway, possible pushrod related. Only the NTSB report and Bob can confirm that.

 

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Bajajim

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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:00 pm Post subject: RV-10 nose gear failure

The Elevator Rod came loose from the control stick Page 39-10.

He lost control (the bolt fell out) about 75 ft off the ground at short

final 

(After flying from Reno to Las Vegas....)

Both pilot and passenger walked away... 

I was there...

It happened 12-31-12 at North Las Vegas Airport.



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cooprv7(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:18 pm Post subject: RV-10 nose gear failure

Thanks for the update, eliminates all sorts of random speculations.  I think I know what I'll be checking the next time I go to the airport!



Glad to hear everyone was okay, while the timing of the failure sure could have been better…it could have been infinitely worse.



Marcus



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On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:59 PM, "JimVillani" <Jim(at)JimVillani.com> wrote:






The Elevator Rod came loose from the control stick Page 39-10.

He lost control (the bolt fell out) about 75 ft off the ground at short

final 

(After flying from Reno to Las Vegas....)

Both pilot and passenger walked away... 

I was there...

It happened 12-31-12 at North Las Vegas Airport.



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Rick S.

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Location: Las Vegas

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: RV-10 nose gear failure

Jim, 



Do you mean the pushrod end that has the self locking nut and safety wire To secure the rod end. Not sure how you saw that flying around the pattern. I suggest you let Bob speak for himself and let the investigation take its course without speculation. 



Rick Sked

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rv10flyer(at)live.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:53 pm Post subject: RV-10 nose gear failure

Bob did tell me the oil on the belly was from the engine break in blow-by. 

Not engine related. . Many of us know that there are some steps we 

completely missed in the final inspection, it is quick possible something 

came loose and if so I hope it will reinforce to the rest of us to make sure 

we don't skim through anything. This goes for pre-flight.

I agree, at this point Bob will need to update the group, on the facts, 

anything else is a theory. The good news is the plane did it's job and he 

and his passenger walked away.



I am fascinated by NTSB reports, there is always something someone can gain 

from, sadly, someone elses accident, and hopefully not repeat it oneself. I 

received a invite to a webinar Jan 15, Gene Benson does a good job of 

reviewing cases and talking about how one can avoid doing the same thing. 

http://genebenson.com/call_the_ball/ctb_webinar.html

hope it helps someone as much as his previous presentations have helped me.



Pascal

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cooprv7(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:16 am Post subject: RV-10 nose gear failure

NTSB reports are indeed a great source of information, especially trends for any type of airplane or condition.  However, the initial report is often very vague and must be taken with a grain of salt.  I am very well acquainted with one report of an RV-6 where the "nose gear folded back".  Apparently the airplane hit so hard the tailwheel moved all the way to the front of the airplane!   Yes, I know for a fact it was a taildragger RV-6.  It seems that in a lot of cases the NTSB does not file a final report, but when they do it typically is far more detailed and accurate.



Marcus



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On Jan 2, 2013, at 11:52 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com> wrote:






Bob did tell me the oil on the belly was from the engine break in blow-by. Not engine related. . Many of us know that there are some steps we completely missed in the final inspection, it is quick possible something came loose and if so I hope it will reinforce to the rest of us to make sure we don't skim through anything. This goes for pre-flight.

I agree, at this point Bob will need to update the group, on the facts, anything else is a theory. The good news is the plane did it's job and he and his passenger walked away.



I am fascinated by NTSB reports, there is always something someone can gain from, sadly, someone elses accident, and hopefully not repeat it oneself. I received a invite to a webinar Jan 15, Gene Benson does a good job of reviewing cases and talking about how one can avoid doing the same thing. http://genebenson.com/call_the_ball/ctb_webinar.html

hope it helps someone as much as his previous presentations have helped me.



Pascal

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Bob Turner

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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: RV-10 nose gear failure

Preliminary reports:  I noticed both reports said "passengers zero, crew two".

Maybe anyone in the front must be a crew member!

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