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Jimmy Young

Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Posts: 182
Location: Missouri City, TX

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:17 pm Post subject: Kolb Slingshot

Kolbers,



I'm making this post on behalf of fellow Kolb owner & pilot Dean Chandler. He asked me to let the list know he is moving from Kentucky to Florida and has his Kolb Slingshot for sale. He would have made the post himself, but lives so far out in the boonies he does not have internet access.



I first saw his plane back in 2007 at the Kolb Factory reunion. At the time I knew nothing about Kolbs or flying for that matter, but we stayed in touch and I have a few photos of his Slingshot on file which I am attaching. He told me the 582 engine has over 500 hrs, well past TBO, but according to him it still runs fine and has flown within the month. He is asking $6500 for the plane. It is N359RC and has an A/W certificate dated 1999.  When I last saw it, his Slingshot was one fine looking Kolb.



Dean's ph# is 606.305.7870. If anyone is interested, he asks that you give him a call.



Jimmy Young

Houston TX

Former Kolb FS owner, but still a Kolb admirer & List Lurker.

Now flying something different.

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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:09 am Post subject: Kolb Slingshot

Guys



   Need this plane like I need the other three that I have...but...a 

deal is a deal!!...so...going up Sunday morning for pre buy 

inspection..I have dibs till then...



    I told Dean to call if someone calls and wants to head that way 

before hand  with cash in pocket...therefore giving me first refusal...



     the 582 has 500 hours but fly's strong...



    If I buy it and very likely I will, I may want to replace the 

engine...though I have no qualms about flying a high time 582... 



     I understand that the wings will not fold if a 912 is mounted...?  

How about the HKS as an option....naturally I would look for a used one 

in either case ...  Do not envision using the rear seat....Herb



Kolbers, I'm making this post on behalf of fellow Kolb owner & pilot 

Dean Chandler. He asked me to let the list know he is moving from 

Kentucky to Florida and has his Kolb Slingshot for sale. He would have 

made the post himself, but lives so far out in the boonies he does not 

have internet access. I first saw his plane back in 2007 at the Kolb 

Factory reunion. At the time I knew nothing about Kolbs or flying for 

that matter, but we stayed in touch and I have a few photos of his 

Slingshot on file which I am attaching. He told me the 582 engine has 

over 500 hrs, well past TBO, but according to him it still runs fine and 

has flown within the month. He is asking $6500 for the plane. It is 

N359RC and has an A/W certificate dated 1999. When I last saw it, his 

Slingshot was one fine looking Kolb. Dean's ph# is 606.305.7870. If 

anyone is interested, he asks that you give him a call. Jimmy Young 

Houston TX Former Kolb FS owner, but still a Kolb admirer & List Lurker. 

Now flying something different. Read this topic online here: 

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Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:40 am Post subject: Re: Kolb Slingshot

If that Slingshot is in good condition and well built it is an incredible bargain. Which brings to mind the adage, if it is too good to be true, do your due diligence.



I would not sell my engine-less Slingshot (which is for sale) for that price, so is this a distress sale?



I admit to being a cynical old man, among other imperfections too numerous to list.



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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:46 am Post subject: Kolb Slingshot

If that Slingshot is in good condition and well built it is

an incredible bargain. Which brings to mind the adage, if it

is too good to be true, do your due diligence.



 

Thom Riddle

 



I flew this SS some years ago. It belonged, for a while, to

a friend of mine in my local area.  It flew as well as any

of the other SS's I have flown over the years.



Saw it again at a Kolb Homecoming in London, KY, several

years ago.  It still looked good.



john h

mkIII

Eglin AFB, Florida

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herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:25 am Post subject: Kolb Slingshot

I will know more Sunday morning... Going to Somerset Ky area with money 

in my pocket! 



By the way..its the yellow one on the Slingshot page at the Kolb factory 

site..Herb

If that Slingshot is in good condition and well built it is an 

incredible bargain. Which brings to mind the adage, if it is too good to 

be true, do your due diligence. Thom Riddle I flew this SS some years 

ago. It belonged, for a while, to a friend of mine in my local area. It 

flew as well as any of the other SS's I have flown over the years. Saw 

it again at a Kolb Homecoming in London, KY, several years ago. It still 

looked good. john h mkIII Eglin AFB, Florida 

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Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:41 am Post subject: Re: Kolb Slingshot

If it still as good as John H says it was when he saw it last, then it is a super bargain.



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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:14 pm Post subject: Kolb Slingshot

Thom



   I think the pics that were attached a few days ago pretty much 

represent its present condition.. 98 model or there bouts...so some wear 

and tear are expected..The two part Stitts paint is still good apparently..



    Any hoo...went to the bank and withdrew the cash..so the worst part 

is over...



    I plan to bore the jugs and buy the crank assy and new pistons and 

rings.. pump shaft assy  etc...and do the overhaul myself.. I have a 

shop in town that bored/honed  my 503 jugs to within a few ten 

thousands... Well equipped shop... 35 bucks a jug...



  Thinking about a 583 , but not sure , with no research, what kind of 

machining is required to attach a B or C box..



   Anyone have a good estimate as to cost to zero time the 582? Too late 

to call the usual suspects... Herb



On 02/01/2013 01:41 PM, Thom Riddle wrote:

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 If it still as good as John H says it was when he saw it last, then it is a super bargain.



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 Buffalo, NY (9G0)



 Kolb Slingshot SS-021

 no engine

 FOR SALE

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:27 am Post subject: Re: Kolb Slingshot

 	  herbgh(at)nctc.com wrote: 	
		  Thom



<snip>

   Anyone have a good estimate as to cost to zero time the 582? Too late 

to call the usual suspects... Herb



	




In the past, Lockwood has been known to do them comparitively cheaply at this time of the year when business is slow. Might be worth a phone call. Or not.

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herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:06 am Post subject: Kolb Slingshot

Richard

   I got on the net last night and found that the cost is in the 3k 

range...I certainly intend to do it myself..and save the 1k worth of 

labor ...or more..Herb

   by the way....this bird is registered with an N number...and I am an 

ul man...what sport classification is that under?

On 02/02/2013 08:27 AM, Richard Pike wrote:

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 herbgh(at)nctc.com wrote:

> Thom

>     Anyone have a good estimate as to cost to zero time the 582? Too late

> to call the usual suspects... Herb

 In the past, Lockwood has been known to do them comparitively cheaply at this time of the year when business is slow. Might be worth a phone call. Or not.

Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Kolb Slingshot

Herb,

The N-number (registration number) means it is an aircraft, not a UL. Slingshots (and all other Kolb models) meet the limitations for LSA. Therefore, the pilot must have at least a Sport Pilot certificate, a valid and current US drivers license (or current FAA 3rd class or better medical certificate), and a current flight review (in last 24 months. Lacking any of these, a pilot cannot fly it legally.

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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:33 am Post subject: Kolb Slingshot

Rick



Thanks for the refresher  info...all of which I have read many 

times....but too old to remember..and flying a Firefly...did not have 

much of a reason to do so...



    I can see a fair amount of expense involved....for I recall that the 

16 hour class is expensive for what they teach...but a bargain for the 

piece of paper that one gets!! 



    I am fairly sure it is reg...E-AB... and I will need my buddy who 

has the AP and IA endorsement  do  the necessary inspections and write 

offs... if he will??



    I intend  flying  my Firefly  to get my sport pilot 

training....(that may help ??  !! )   Herb

     Herb

On 02/02/2013 11:09 AM, Richard Girard wrote:

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		   Herb, There's a lot of if's here so you'll need to take this with a 

 grain of salt.

 You say the plane is a 98ish build. IF the plane was registered at 

 that time it will almost certainly be as an Experimental Amateur 

 Built. In that case you will need to have an A & P do an annual on it 

 AND sign off any engine work you do. You cannot get a repairman's 

 ticket for E-AB unless you are the original builder and you requested 

 it at the time the airworthiness inspection was done.

 On the other hand, IF the plane was used under one of the old alphabet 

 UL groups and operated under the two place training exemption and THEN 

 grandfathered in under the Experimental Light Sport program (FAR 

 21.191 i (1)) then you can take the 16 hour class and get a repairman 

 inspection card (LSARI) for it and do the annual and engine work 

 yourself and sign it off. Without that ticket you will have to take it 

 to an A & P OR someone with a repairman maintenance card (LSARM) to do 

 the annual and supervise your engine work IF you want to keep the logs 

 up to date and maintain the value of the airplane.

 As Thom said, no matter how the plane is registered, E-AB or E-LSA 

 you're going to have to get at least a Sport Pilot airplane ticket to 

 legally fly it.



 Rick Girard

 LSARM 3178721

Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:06 am Post subject: Re: Kolb Slingshot

Rick,

You mentioned that an A&P must supervise and sign off any engine work on an E/AB certificated aircraft. I've never heard that before. Can you point to a FAR that states this?

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rickofudall

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Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:40 pm Post subject: Kolb Slingshot

Anyone can work on an E-AB, and charge money for it, for that matter. What they cannot do is write anything in the engine or aircraft log books, anything of a legal nature anyway. The last caveat about maintaining the value of the aircraft is what having an A & P supervise the engine over haul was meant to convey, so no, no requirement unless you want a logbook entry to go with the work. 



Rick



On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com (riddletr(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 Rick,

 You mentioned that an A&P must supervise and sign off any engine work on an E/AB certificated aircraft. I've never heard that before. Can you point to a FAR that states this?

 

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Thom Riddle

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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:30 am Post subject: Re: Kolb Slingshot

Rick,

That is what I've always thought to be the case. 



Any "major repair" or "major alteration" requires notification of the FSDO as you stated. What constitutes a major repair or major alteration is defined in part 43 and these definitions apply to all aircraft regardless of certificate type.

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Jimmy Young

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Location: Missouri City, TX

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb Slingshot

Kolbers,



FYI, Dean called me and said the Slingshot has been sold.

herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:50 pm Post subject: Kolb Slingshot

Ole Herb bought it...gonna trailer it home....  soon as I get my 

sailplane trailer fully converted.. Should have that done tomorrow....



    Dean offered to fly it to my local airport,,,but he does not like 

to fly the 582 unless he gets 130 or above water temps...I noticed 

that he had some of the radiator covered....anyone have experience 

with this situation?   I do not recall flying the MkIII in cold weather?



   I will have it in my possession by week end...weather permitting...



    Needs a good cleaning but otherwise...the 2 part stitts paint 

looks shiny as new...no signs of cracking...



    one of the dual puck Matco brakes is a bit spongy....



    a few personal touches  and good to go....Engine starts on first 

pull...but will be looking for a used starter and ring gear...



    Herb

At 07:09 PM 2/7/2013, you wrote:

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Kolbers,



FYI, Dean called me and said the Slingshot has been sold.





Read this topic online here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393830#393830

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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:59 am Post subject: Kolb Slingshot

I have flown my mkiii 912 in cold weather....  I have to completely cover 

the oil cooler both sides with aluminum backed tape.  and cover around  half 

of the radiator.  in order to keep the temps up where they should be....



boyd








Ole Herb bought it...gonna trailer it home....  soon as I get my

sailplane trailer fully converted.. Should have that done tomorrow....



    Dean offered to fly it to my local airport,,,but he does not like

to fly the 582 unless he gets 130 or above water temps...I noticed

that he had some of the radiator covered....anyone have experience

with this situation?   I do not recall flying the MkIII in cold weather?

    Herb

Ralph B

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Posts: 367
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:32 am Post subject: Re: Kolb Slingshot

 	  rickofudall wrote: 	
		  Anyone can work on an E-AB, and charge money for it, for that matter. What they cannot do is write anything in the engine or aircraft log books, anything of a legal nature anyway. The last caveat about maintaining the value of the aircraft is what having an A & P supervise the engine over haul was meant to convey, so no, no requirement unless you want a logbook entry to go with the work. 



Rick

 	




A buyer can do the work on an E-AB and log it as long as the original builder has the repairmans cert and signs it in the logs. I called the FAA about this before buying the Kolbra. Mark German is the original builder and he signs my logbook after I do the condition inspection every year.



Ralph B

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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:51 am Post subject: Kolb Slingshot

<<  A buyer can do the work on an  E-AB and log it as long as the original builder has the repairmans  cert   >>

  

 According to EAA and my reading of the rules,  anyone can work on an EAB and log what they did.  The only  requirement on logbook maintenance entries is within the last 12 months  there must be a condition inspection signed by either the original builder with  a repairman's certificate for that aircraft or an A&P (no IA  needed).

  

 Of course, if the work constitutes a "major  alteration" it should be logged by whoever did the work along with the FSDO  testing requirements and completion of those requirements.  But what is a  "major alteration" is an entirely different issue.  

  

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John Hauck

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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:05 pm Post subject: Kolb Slingshot

I have flown my mkiii 912 in cold weather....  I have to completely cover

the oil cooler both sides with aluminum backed tape.  and cover around  half

of the radiator.  in order to keep the temps up where they should be....



boyd

 

When I was flying the mkIII with 80 hp 912, I by-passed the oil cooler

during the winter.



Don't have that problem with the 100 hp 912.  The higher compression engine

generates much more heat than the 80 hp.



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama

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