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jstewart(at)inebraska.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject: Attachments

    Sorry Chris, I gotta  disagree with you here.  I run an ISP and sit on multiple T-1s here, but at  home in the country, all I get is a crappy 21.6 dial-up speed.  There are  no other alternatives (short of satellite)  In rural parts of the country,  that's just the way it is.  A  lot of our customers who can get broadband don't, because they don't use it  enough to warrant the cost.  Dial-up works just find until someone who  doesn't know any better sends them a movie (You'd be surprised at how many times  per week I have to purge a customer's mailbox because they're stuck waiting for  a large e-mail or they get kicked off trying to do so).

     Inconsiderate?   Probably not.  Ignorant or the size (1MB) of the attachment and how it  would affect a large portion of dial-up users?  More likely.

     Matt, unless you can  limit the size of e-mails to say, 100K, we'll run into this problem over and  over again.  Besides, you all have the PhotoShare space to put  pictures.

  

 Do Not Archive, back to  lurking,

  

 J.D. Stewart

 Internet Nebraska, UltraFun  AirSports, Titan List, Challenger list, admirer of Kolbs, yada, yada,  yada.

 [quote]   You know, I can't believe    that someone on this list thoughtful enough to share some pictures with    everyone and you or anyone else has the gall to call them inconsiderate.  

      

Are you the last two guys on the planet with dial up?    

If you can afford an airplane you can certainly afford to upgrade from    twentieth century technology.   

do not archive   

 

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Matt Dralle
Site Admin

Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 25203
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: Attachments

Hey guys, don't get to caught up in this size matters discussion.  I am working on an enhancement that will replace the actual enclosure with a URL link to the enclosure over on the Matronics web server.  That way even the Digest and List Browse people can enjoy them too, not to mention the bandwidth savings.  I might even implement some sort of automatic resizing algorithm, but I'm not sure about that since sometimes you want the full size version.  Perhaps I will include a "Scaled" version URL along with the Full Sized version URL. 



So, stay tuned, I should have something pretty nice very soon.  In the mean time, pay attention to what you're posting and scale it down.



Best regards,



Matt Dralle

Matronics Email List Administrator



At 01:13 PM 6/8/2006  Thursday, you wrote:

[quote]    Sorry Chris, I gotta disagree with you here.  I run an ISP and sit on multiple T-1s here, but at home in the country, all I get is a crappy 21.6 dial-up speed.  There are no other alternatives (short of satellite)  In rural parts of the country, that's just the way it is.  A lot of our customers who can get broadband don't, because they don't use it enough to warrant the cost.  Dial-up works just find until someone who doesn't know any better sends them a movie (You'd be surprised at how many times per week I have to purge a customer's mailbox because they're stuck waiting for a large e-mail or they get kicked off trying to do so).

    Inconsiderate?  Probably not.  Ignorant or the size (1MB) of the attachment and how it would affect a large portion of dial-up users?  More likely.

    Matt, unless you can limit the size of e-mails to say, 100K, we'll run into this problem over and over again.  Besides, you all have the PhotoShare space to put pictures.

 

Do Not Archive, back to lurking,

 

J.D. Stewart

Internet Nebraska, UltraFun AirSports, Titan List, Challenger list, admirer of Kolbs, yada, yada, yada.

You know, I can't believe that someone on this list thoughtful enough to share some pictures with everyone and you or anyone else has the gall to call them inconsiderate. 



Are you the last two guys on the planet with dial up? 



If you can afford an airplane you can certainly afford to upgrade from twentieth century technology.



do not archive



 

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Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator

Jim Baker

Joined: 30 Mar 2006
Posts: 181
Location: Sayre, PA

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject: Attachments

 	  Quote: 	
		    Matt, unless you can limit the size of e-mails to say, 100K, we'll run into this problem over and 

 over again. Besides, you all have the PhotoShare space to put pictures.


	


One more time....YOU, the end user...yes YOU....have the 

ability to limit the size of message that YOU receive via your 

email program (at leat the Outlook and Pegasus folks). Not too 

hard to figure out. Unless you just want to continue to 

complain......



(the above "you" is generic..applies to no one in particular and 

anyone who wishes to kill the large messages)

Jim Baker

580.788.2779

Elmore City, OK

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1670
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:03 pm Post subject: Attachments

Amen. Thunderbird is the program I use (love it, free, almost as good as 

Eudora Pro used to be) and it has the ability to screen messages larger 

than whatever you tell it.

Go to Tools/Account Settings/Disk Space

Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)



do not archive



Jim Baker wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



   

>  Matt, unless you can limit the size of e-mails to say, 100K, we'll run into this problem over and 

> over again. Besides, you all have the PhotoShare space to put pictures.

>     



 One more time....YOU, the end user...yes YOU....have the 

 ability to limit the size of message that YOU receive via your 

 email program (at leat the Outlook and Pegasus folks). Not too 

 hard to figure out. Unless you just want to continue to 

 complain......



 (the above "you" is generic..applies to no one in particular and 

 anyone who wishes to kill the large messages)

 Jim Baker

 580.788.2779

 Elmore City, OK

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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0

Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.

Kirk Smith

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 78
Location: SE Michigan

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject: Attachments

Go to Tools/Account Settings/Disk Space

 	  Quote: 	
		   Richard Pike

 MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)


	




 Richard,



   I went to tools and accounts but I don't got no disk space thingy. I

can't find a thing that limits incoming email size anywhere.

biglar

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 457

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:30 pm Post subject: Attachments

Now, there would be the real deal.  If you could tell your email not to 

accept anything over xxxx kilobytes, then you wouldn't hafta sit thru long 

downloads.  Is such a thing really available ??



Before I got DSL it used to drive me crazy, trying to figure a way to stop 

the fool thing from tackling a long download, and it just don't 

listen....once it starts, you're stuck.  Unfortunately, sometimes people 

make mistakes, even with the best of intentions.  I've goofed on occasion 

myself, and sent friends a 3 or 4 megabyte photo by mistake.  They don't say 

thanks, believe me, if they're on dial up.



Someone mentioned sending larger pics on the on-line version.  This makes a 

lot of sense to me, and is easy enuf to do.  If you're not sure how large 

the picture you want to attach is, open it on your screen, (before you send 

it) right click it, then click "properties" in the drop down box that 

appears.  The size, in kilobytes, will be right there.  If it's larger than 

100 kb, don't attach it to a regular email.........send it via the on-line 

site.  Should be simple enuf.



 I'll repeat an earlier offer - if you're unsure of how to do any of this, 

email me your picture;  I'll resize it for you, and email it back, ready to 

attach to a regular email.  If you check the emails Bob D. teased me about 

last night, you'll see that the photos are 1000x750 pixels;  they are large, 

bright and clear, and only use about 50 - 75 kb each.  If you check his, 

you'll see that his are also in the 30 -50 kb range, and hurt nobody's 

feelings.



Please, if you get impatient, don't start another flame war over something 

so easy to fix.  Send it to Papa Lar, and I'll make it all better.    We 

all got along and enjoyed the List for years.......let's continue to do so. 

Lar.



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Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk IIIC
"Vamoose"

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1670
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject: Attachments

In Outlook Express, go to

Tools

Message Rules

Mail

1. Select conditions for your rule

(box) Where message is more than size...



And you can take it from there - or switch to Thunderbird and it is all 

so much easier



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

do not archive



Kirk Smith wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Go to Tools/Account Settings/Disk Space

   

> Richard Pike

> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

>     

  Richard,



    I went to tools and accounts but I don't got no disk space thingy. I

 can't find a thing that limits incoming email size anywhere.

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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0

Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.

icrashrc

Joined: 16 Mar 2006
Posts: 247
Location: Mishawaka, In

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:32 am Post subject: Re: Attachments

Matt, 

An easy solution may be to automatically thumbnail the pics in 2 sizes. The small size as seen now, a second step around 800X600 and 50k file size. Then the full size as uploaded.



Scott Thompson



 	  Matt Dralle wrote: 	
		  Hey guys, don't get to caught up in this size matters discussion.  I am working on an enhancement that will replace the actual enclosure with a URL link to the enclosure over on the Matronics web server.  That way even the Digest and List Browse people can enjoy them too, not to mention the bandwidth savings.  I might even implement some sort of automatic resizing algorithm, but I'm not sure about that since sometimes you want the full size version.  Perhaps I will include a "Scaled" version URL along with the Full Sized version URL. 



So, stay tuned, I should have something pretty nice very soon.  In the mean time, pay attention to what you're posting and scale it down.



Best regards,



Matt Dralle

Matronics Email List Administrator



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Scott

www.ill-EagleAviation.com

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ulflyer(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject: Attachments

While you can screen the problem remains you still have the message 

in your mail box which mean you mail box will soon fill.

jerb



At 05:02 PM 6/8/2006, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Amen. Thunderbird is the program I use (love it, free, almost as 

good as Eudora Pro used to be) and it has the ability to screen 

messages larger than whatever you tell it.

Go to Tools/Account Settings/Disk Space

Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)



do not archive



Jim Baker wrote:

>

>>  Matt, unless you can limit the size of e-mails to say, 100K, 

>> we'll run into this problem over and over again. Besides, you all 

>> have the PhotoShare space to put pictures.

>>

>

>One more time....YOU, the end user...yes YOU....have the ability to 

>limit the size of message that YOU receive via your email program 

>(at leat the Outlook and Pegasus folks). Not too hard to figure 

>out. Unless you just want to continue to complain......

>

>(the above "you" is generic..applies to no one in particular and 

>anyone who wishes to kill the large messages)

>Jim Baker

>580.788.2779

>Elmore City, OK

>

Jim Baker

Joined: 30 Mar 2006
Posts: 181
Location: Sayre, PA

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject: Attachments

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 	  Quote: 	
		   While you can screen the problem remains you still have the message 

 in your mail box which mean you mail box will soon fill.


	


Nope. Kills it at the server before it downloads. 



Jim Baker

580.788.2779

Elmore City, OK

biglar

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 457

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject: Attachments

Hmmm.............don't like that.  I'd like to be able to access those 

messages when I get to a high speed link, like WiFi or such.  Is there a way 

to screen them out when desired, and access them later ?? 

Lar.                 Do not Archive.



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Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk IIIC
"Vamoose"

Jim Baker

Joined: 30 Mar 2006
Posts: 181
Location: Sayre, PA

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject: Attachments

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 	  Quote: 	
		   Hmmm.............don't like that.  I'd like to be able to access those 

 messages when I get to a high speed link, like WiFi or such.  Is there a way 

 to screen them out when desired, and access them later ?? 


	


Read your choices in the rules list....leave it on the server if you 

want to. I wouldn't, but you certainly can.



Jim Baker

580.788.2779

Elmore City, OK

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