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arplnplt(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:35 am Post subject: RV-10 down

http://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/story/21496/20130222/friday-s-news-briefs-from-the-associated-press



http://online.wsj.com/article/AP64479ee6392741ab994d76cc02180839.html

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Tim Olson

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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:11 am Post subject: RV-10 down

So far I can't see anything with an N-Number or names, but there are

a lot of websites with the same report info.

I wonder who's RV-10 this one was.

Tim

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On 2/22/2013 9:34 AM, David Leikam wrote:

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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:09 am Post subject: RV-10 down

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		  From internet sleuthing might be N10FD


	


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Strasnuts

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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:35 am Post subject: RV-10 down

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On Feb 22, 2013, at 12:08, Chris <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com> wrote:



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rleffler

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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:51 am Post subject: RV-10 down

Look at the flight data around 6:09pm. It shows the decent from 9400 to 3200 and multiple changes of direction.  But after 6:09pm is looks like what may have been filed. 



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On Feb 22, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com> wrote:



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On Feb 22, 2013, at 12:08, Chris <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com> wrote:



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> From internet sleuthing might be N10FD

 

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rwwende

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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: RV-10 down

[quote="rleffler"]Look at the flight data around 6:09pm. It shows the decent from 9400 to 3200 and multiple changes of direction.  But after 6:09pm is looks like what may have been filed. 



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On Feb 22, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Seano <sean> wrote:



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On Feb 22, 2013, at 12:08, Chris <toaster73> wrote:



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Filed 105KTs....seems slow for a 10.

johngoodman

Joined: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 530
Location: GA

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:14 am Post subject: Re: RV-10 down

Came across this on Associated Press this morning:



LAKE PLACID, N.Y. -- An experimental aircraft crashed into a wooded area just outside the village of Lake Placid, leaving three men to spend more than 10 hours in frigid conditions before they could be rescued early Friday.



The men, all in their 50s and all from Westfield, were checked out by an ambulance crew but declined additional medical treatment when state forest rangers brought them out of the woods on snowmobiles around 4 a.m. Friday, according to the Department of Environmental Conservation.



Agency spokesman David Winchell said state police contacted a department dispatcher around 6:30 p.m. Thursday seeking forest rangers to head to the scene of a plane crash in a wooded area near the Lake Placid Airport, just south of the village. The men on board the Vans RV-10 experimental aircraft had used a cellphone to call Essex County emergency dispatchers and provide coordinates of the crash site, Winchell said.



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A state police helicopter dispatched from nearby Lake Clear Airport was unable to reach the crash site because of weather conditions and darkness.

The men's information placed the crash site at Nye Mountain, near the airport. But by the time two rangers hiked to the location at 11 p.m., officials had determined they were in the wrong spot because the men's coordinates had been provided in a format not typically used by environmental department search teams, Winchell said. Plotting the coordinates in another format placed the actual crash site about a mile from Whiteface Inn Road, about 2 miles northwest of the village.



Rangers reached the site around 2 a.m., Winchell said. The men had used extra clothing and a tarp to stay warm in temperatures that dipped into the single digits, he said.



Officials identified the men as Michael Oster, 54; Jeff O'Connor, 58; and Frank Dombroski, 51, all of Westfield in Union County, N.J., just west of New York City. The men were believed to be staying in the Lake Placid area, but officials didn't know where, Winchell said.



Attempts by The Associated Press to contact the men were unsuccessful.



The Federal Aviation Administration said the plane departed from Somerset Airport in Bedminster, N.J, and was headed to Lake Placid Airport when it crashed. The FAA is investigating what caused the crash.

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Ron B.

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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:27 am Post subject: Re: RV-10 down

The pilot posted on VAF, on some of his experiences during this accident.

RPierce

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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:47 am Post subject: Re: RV-10 down

http://kathrynaviationnews.com/?p=130333

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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:11 am Post subject: RV-10 down

Not under rv10

Please send link

Thanks 



On Feb 23, 2013, at 8:27 AM, "Ron B." <ronbelliveau(at)eastlink.ca> wrote:



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 The pilot posted on VAF, on some of his experiences during this accident.

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394866#394866

Lew Gallagher

Joined: 04 Jan 2008
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Location: Greenville , SC

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:22 am Post subject: RV-10 down

Lat and Long given to the 911 operator 4 times was 100% accurate. They 

failed on the communication to the SAR team. I can't say enough for the 

fortitude of the SAR team that hiked in to help us.



We are very upset with the cover up of the errors in the dispatch system. We 

will foia the 911 calls to clarify the truth. We spent 10 hours in single 

digit temperatures, which was worse than the plane crash. While we greatly 

appreciate the efforts of everyone that helped us, we do not appreciate 

their misrepresentation of the facts.



My RV-10 took a beating, yet the cabin protected us incredibly well. I am 

not in a position to post the details of the crash, as there were many 

factors yet to reconcile. The plane performed flawlessly and was not a 

factor in this accident.



Best,

Frank



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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:09 pm Post subject: RV-10 down

I flew from Boston area to NJ around that same time and while MY entire flight was in clear air, icing and the approaching Wx was at the top of my concern. Forecast showed much of the Wx concern was north of my flightpath from OWD to 47N.  The altitude deviations lead me to speculate --and I stress speculate-- that this was icing related. Glad there were no fatalities.



On a related note, traveling to far flung cities the past two years has brought my RV-10 construction to a crawl as I can work on it only when I'm back home on the weekends. At least now at my latest destination, I can commute with my own aircraft. Any builders in the Boston south shore area (Braintree, Quincy, Norwood, etc) that would like some help with their construction Mon-Thurs evenings?



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On Feb 23, 2013, at 14:22, <lewgall(at)charter.net> wrote:



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 Lat and Long given to the 911 operator 4 times was 100% accurate. They failed on the communication to the SAR team. I can't say enough for the fortitude of the SAR team that hiked in to help us.

 

 We are very upset with the cover up of the errors in the dispatch system. We will foia the 911 calls to clarify the truth. We spent 10 hours in single digit temperatures, which was worse than the plane crash. While we greatly appreciate the efforts of everyone that helped us, we do not appreciate their misrepresentation of the facts.

 

 My RV-10 took a beating, yet the cabin protected us incredibly well. I am not in a position to post the details of the crash, as there were many factors yet to reconcile. The plane performed flawlessly and was not a factor in this accident.

 

 Best,

 Frank

 

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Ron B.

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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: RV-10 down

It's under, " RV general discussion/news"

Ron

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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: RV-10 down

Here was the wx just before accident. Sunset was about 5:37 PM EST or 2237Z.



Wx 12.7 nm NW of LKP: KSLK 212251Z AUTO 20003KT 5SM BR OVC014 M12/M14 A3012 RMK AO2 SNB04E18 SLP241 P0000 T11221139 TSNO



Wx 31.4 nm NE of LKP: KPBG 212253Z AUTO 10003KT 8SM -SN BKN035 OVC044 M07/M09 A3020 RMK AO2 SLP233 P0000 T10721094



Night, weather and big hills. AFS SV in the panel. Thankful for a dense Birch and Spruce forest to absorb some energy. Glad they are skiing this weekend.

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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:09 pm Post subject: RV-10 down

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I got the cliff notes of the story from Frank this morning – I may not have this completely correct but here's the gist of what happened. What was most scary about hearing him tell this to me is I could see getting sucked in to the same kind of situation. Just like they always tell us, accidents are usually caused by what seems (at the time) like a a chain of minor events and if you can break the chain then it doesn't happen. If you don't break it, you look up just in time to hit the side of a mountain.



Frank told his friends he didn't want to land at night but he knew they were calling it close. He got two weather briefings via AOPA & Foreflight and also called FAA for an update on the way to the airport, he also called the airport for a first hand report – he said he was mostly thinking about ice. They got off on time but fought a 47 kt headwinds and so they got there later than planned (surprise 1) . He picked up an IFR clearance for the GPS approach. While shooting the approach he got a visual on the airport (when looking down, he said it looked like daylight down there) so he canceled (or got cleared for the visual I'm not sure I've got this part correct). He dropped down below the clouds and it was much darker than above (surprise 2), he clicked the airport lights and they wouldn't come on (turns out they have been having troubles with them but there were no notams) (surprise 3), at the same time one of his the big EFIS displays wouldn't dim (surprise 4). Frank said he thought he spent maybe 20-30 seconds trying to rectify these problems rather than going missed. He did decide to go missed but hit the side of the mountain as he was executing and hitting buttons.



– in retrospect Frank said he should have gone missed with ANY problem but these other factors sucked him into thinking he could quickly fix them and land. In another friend's words "that's why they call it an "accident" rather than an "on purpose"".



Franks said it is a miracle to be alive, they hiked to the crash site today and he said it really hit him how lucky they were. A cut finger, a bruised face and frostbite is the worst of the physical injuries. He feels terrible about putting his friends in harms way and it's gonna take some time for him to forgive himself.



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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:25 pm Post subject: RV-10 down

Accidents happen.  Glad they are ok.

Interested to see if terrain aural warnings were on during IFR and/or 

synthetic vision.

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woxofswa

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:58 am Post subject: Re: RV-10 down

CFIT on a missed approach and walking away is in the miracle category.



Not that there is such a thing as a good accident, but I am glad that everyone is okay, and I am selfishly relieved that there were no apparent deficiencies in the aircraft or its design.

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Bob Turner

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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: RV-10 down

Good grief! Press quotes pilot's wife as saying "Every piece is built by Cessna or Boeing."

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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: RV-10 down

http://www.aviationinspector.com/?p=13785

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