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alienwes
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I noticed that on barnstormers there are a few projects for sale like a Mark III kit for 4K. It looks 50% complete.
Can someone buy a 50% complete kit an finish it, then still get it registered as E-AB?
Can you hire someone with experience to finish the kit?
Any other thoughts on this method of acquiring a Kolb?
Wes
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:09 am Post subject: Half finished projects |
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I noticed that on barnstormers there are a few projects for sale like a Mark
III kit for 4K. It looks 50% complete.
Can someone buy a 50% complete kit an finish it, then still get it
registered as E-AB?
Can you hire someone with experience to finish the kit?
Any other thoughts on this method of acquiring a Kolb?
Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
In response to the above, "What does the regulation say?"
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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alienwes
Joined: 11 Dec 2012
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| Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Half finished projects |
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Regulation says 51% must be amateur built, but what if the 51% is built by another amateur?
I am just trying to get answers from those who know the ropes a little more than me when it comes to E-AB.
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rmurrill(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:53 am Post subject: Half finished projects |
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You can surely get it approved as E-AB since it is on the FAA approved
list....The issue is can you get the repairman certificate in your name for
the aircraft....you need to convince the inspector that you have
demonstrated that you built enough of it that you would be able to do the
yearly inspections and any repairs.
Bob
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From: alienwes
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:23 AM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Half finished projects
Regulation says 51% must be amateur built, but what if the 51% is built by
another amateur?
I am just trying to get answers from those who know the ropes a little more
than me when it comes to E-AB.
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Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396423#396423
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gliderx5
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| Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:44 am Post subject: Half finished projects |
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My experience indicates that it may be a little more difficult than it appears. To get an EAB Airworthiness Certificate you must prove to the DAR or the FAA MIDO office that at least 50% of the aircraft was built by an amateur for their own recreation or education. It does not have to be you, but it cannot be a professional builder paid to do the construction. You can pay someone to build part of the airplane, but you still need to document that at least 50% was done for fun. The inspection and paperwork requirement enforcement varies from region to region, so try to get details of requirements from some near you that has been through the process. I completed a partially built project 2 years ago and it was a nightmare. I had to produce a construction log, including photos, of all the work done on the airplane. Even though I could document that I had done more than 50% myself I still had to track down the previous owners(s) and get details and photos from them, which I then added to my own builders log. If I had not been able to find them I would have been sunk. Than came the inspection. Our MIDO does not do homebuilt inspections any more. Instead you must hire a retired FAA inspector for $1500 to come spend 2 hours looking over your airplane and paperwork. $1500 may not sound bad on a $80,000 RV, but it's a little ridiculous on a $6,000 Kolb. Once I had the Airworthiness Certificate I was able to take my builders log to the FAA FSDO and get the Repairmans Certificate.
Completing an existing project if definitely possible, but make sure that you get documentation of the previous work. Or, make sure that you can document all the pieces yourself. If it's a kit, you will also need the Bill of Sale from the factory and the serial number.
Good luck, and let me know if I can be any assistance
Malcolm
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm
From: "Bob" <rmurrill(at)cox.net>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:53:33 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Half finished projects
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob" <rmurrill(at)cox.net>
You can surely get it approved as E-AB since it is on the FAA approved
list....The issue is can you get the repairman certificate in your name for
the aircraft....you need to convince the inspector that you have
demonstrated that you built enough of it that you would be able to do the
yearly inspections and any repairs.
Bob
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From: alienwes
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:23 AM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Half finished projects
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com>
Regulation says 51% must be amateur built, but what if the 51% is built by
another amateur?
I am just trying to get answers from those who know the ropes a little more
than me when it comes to E-AB.
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Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396423#396423
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brubakermal(at)yahoo.com
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William winn on from the corvair authority posted a article in his news letter about how he an!d His emery ridel crew built several lancair planes as hired guns and all the under the table deals that made it happen.
Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
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From: "gliderx5(at)comcast.net" <gliderx5(at)comcast.net>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Half finished projects
#yiv1033645532 p {margin:0;}My experience indicates that it may be a little more difficult than it appears. To get an EAB Airworthiness Certificate you must prove to the DAR or the FAA MIDO office that at least 50% of the aircraft was built by an amateur for their own recreation or education. It does not have to be you, but it cannot be a professional builder paid to do the construction. You can pay someone to build part of the airplane, but you still need to document that at least 50% was done for fun. The inspection and paperwork requirement enforcement varies from region to region, so try to get details of requirements from some near you that has been through the process. I completed a partially built project 2 years ago and it was a nightmare. I had to produce a construction log, including photos, of all the work done on the airplane. Even though I could document that I had done more than 50% myself I still had to track down the previous owners(s) and get details and photos from them, which I then added to my own builders log. If I had not been able to find them I would have been sunk. Than came the inspection. Our MIDO does not do homebuilt inspections any more. Instead you must hire a retired FAA inspector for $1500 to come spend 2 hours looking over your airplane and paperwork. $1500 may not sound bad on a $80,000 RV, but it's a little ridiculous on a $6,000 Kolb. Once I had the Airworthiness Certificate I was able to take my builders log to the FAA FSDO and get the Repairmans Certificate.
Completing an existing project if definitely possible, but make sure that you get documentation of the previous work. Or, make sure that you can document all the pieces yourself. If it's a kit, you will also need the Bill of Sale from the factory and the serial number.
Good luck, and let me know if I can be any assistance
Malcolm
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm
From: "Bob" <rmurrill(at)cox.net>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:53:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Half finished projects
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob" <rmurrill(at)cox.net>
You can surely get it approved as E-AB since it is on the FAA approved
list....The issue is can you get the repairman certificate in your name for
the aircraft....you need to convince the inspector that you have
demonstrated that you built enough of it that you would be able to do the
yearly inspections and any repairs.
Bob
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From: alienwes
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:23 AM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Half finished projects
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com>
Regulation says 51% must be amateur built, but what if the 51% is built by
another amateur?
I am just trying to get answers from those who know the ropes a little more
than me when it comes to E-AB.
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Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396423#396423
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