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raymondj(at)frontiernet.n
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 Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:00 am Post subject: Wires in wing |
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Greetings,
I don't know what kind or if I'm going to put position lights in the wingtips, but I'd like to run the wire now before I close the wing up. How many wires should I run to the wingtip. I'm guessing 1 22ga for the position light and 1 ? for a wingtip mounted strobe. I assume I can ground the position light at the wingtip. What wiring do most strobes require? Do I need additional signal wire(s) to coordinate the strobes. Obviously, I don't have a handle on strobes.
Thanks,
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Kettle River, MN.
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and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine [b]
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rlborger(at)mac.com
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| Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:47 am Post subject: Wires in wing |
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Raymond,
Check out the LED aircraft lighting at aircraft spruce. Both Aveo Engineering and AeroLEDs make wingtip Nav/Pos/Strobe units with LED lighting. LED lighting will use 1 or 2 amps total compared to the 2 or 3 amps to drive incandescent Nav/Pos lights and the 5 amps to drive conventional strobes. Plus the weight of the strobe power supply box. The wiring is pretty simple compared to actual strobes which require heavy shielded wires. You can also go to the websites for both AeroLED and Aveo to download the installation instructions. Simply one 12v line for Nav/Pos lights and one 12v line for Strobes. Then one ground line for all. Finally a sync line from wingtip unit to wingtip unit to synchronize the strobe flashes. There are other manufacturers who provide LED units more specifically for the ultralight world. Check them all out and see which might be best for your application and then run wire accordingly.
Blue skies & tailwinds,Bob BorgerEuropa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP3705 Lynchburg Dr.Corinth, TX 76208-5331Cel: 817-992-1117rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)
On Mar 24, 2013, at 1:57 PM, rayj <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net (raymondj(at)frontiernet.net)> wrote:
[quote] Greetings,
I don't know what kind or if I'm going to put position lights in the wingtips, but I'd like to run the wire now before I close the wing up. How many wires should I run to the wingtip. I'm guessing 1 22ga for the position light and 1 ? for a wingtip mounted strobe. I assume I can ground the position light at the wingtip. What wiring do most strobes require? Do I need additional signal wire(s) to coordinate the strobes. Obviously, I don't have a handle on strobes.
Thanks,
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wgreenley
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| Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:48 pm Post subject: Wires in wing |
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You might also want to look at ztronlabs.com.
Bill Greenley
RV-10 in progress
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Borger
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:41 PM
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Wires in wing
Raymond,
Check out the LED aircraft lighting at aircraft spruce. Both Aveo Engineering and AeroLEDs make wingtip Nav/Pos/Strobe units with LED lighting. LED lighting will use 1 or 2 amps total compared to the 2 or 3 amps to drive incandescent Nav/Pos lights and the 5 amps to drive conventional strobes. Plus the weight of the strobe power supply box. The wiring is pretty simple compared to actual strobes which require heavy shielded wires. You can also go to the websites for both AeroLED and Aveo to download the installation instructions. Simply one 12v line for Nav/Pos lights and one 12v line for Strobes. Then one ground line for all. Finally a sync line from wingtip unit to wingtip unit to synchronize the strobe flashes. There are other manufacturers who provide LED units more specifically for the ultralight world. Check them all out and see which might be best for your application and then run wire accordingly.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)
On Mar 24, 2013, at 1:57 PM, rayj <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net (raymondj(at)frontiernet.net)> wrote:
Greetings,
I don't know what kind or if I'm going to put position lights in the wingtips, but I'd like to run the wire now before I close the wing up. How many wires should I run to the wingtip. I'm guessing 1 22ga for the position light and 1 ? for a wingtip mounted strobe. I assume I can ground the position light at the wingtip. What wiring do most strobes require? Do I need additional signal wire(s) to coordinate the strobes. Obviously, I don't have a handle on strobes.
Thanks,
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uuccio(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:27 pm Post subject: Wires in wing |
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Raymond,
I use Star Company's strobe unit and it has 4 wires for each wing. Here's the manual,
http://www.starcompany.it/Manuali/STROBE%20LIGHT%20THREE%20FLASH%20-%20USA%20STAR.pdf
Regards
Sacha
On Mar 24, 2013, at 21:44, "William Greenley" <wgreenley(at)gmail.com (wgreenley(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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You might also want to look at ztronlabs.com.
Bill Greenley
RV-10 in progress
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Robert Borger
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:41 PM
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Wires in wing
Raymond,
Check out the LED aircraft lighting at aircraft spruce. Both Aveo Engineering and AeroLEDs make wingtip Nav/Pos/Strobe units with LED lighting. LED lighting will use 1 or 2 amps total compared to the 2 or 3 amps to drive incandescent Nav/Pos lights and the 5 amps to drive conventional strobes. Plus the weight of the strobe power supply box. The wiring is pretty simple compared to actual strobes which require heavy shielded wires. You can also go to the websites for both AeroLED and Aveo to download the installation instructions. Simply one 12v line for Nav/Pos lights and one 12v line for Strobes. Then one ground line for all. Finally a sync line from wingtip unit to wingtip unit to synchronize the strobe flashes. There are other manufacturers who provide LED units more specifically for the ultralight world. Check them all out and see which might be best for your application and then run wire accordingly.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)
On Mar 24, 2013, at 1:57 PM, rayj <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net (raymondj(at)frontiernet.net)> wrote:
Greetings,
I don't know what kind or if I'm going to put position lights in the wingtips, but I'd like to run the wire now before I close the wing up. How many wires should I run to the wingtip. I'm guessing 1 22ga for the position light and 1 ? for a wingtip mounted strobe. I assume I can ground the position light at the wingtip. What wiring do most strobes require? Do I need additional signal wire(s) to coordinate the strobes. Obviously, I don't have a handle on strobes.
Thanks,
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holger-d(at)shadowbrush.c
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| Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:10 pm Post subject: Wires in wing |
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When I installed wing tip lines I had some fun time running the wires from the root to the tip. But I left a fishing line in the wings that will make future wire installation much easier. Just another thought on this topic...
Holger
On Mar 24, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Sacha wrote:
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raymondj(at)frontiernet.n
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| Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:25 am Post subject: Wires in wing |
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Holger,
That's something I'm considering. My concern is having the wires laying on the edges of the lightening holes. Did you run the line through adel clamps, or anything?
| Quote: | Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine |
On 03/24/2013 06:55 PM, Holger Selover-Stephan wrote:
[quote] When I installed wing tip lines I had some fun time running the wires from the root to the tip. But I left a fishing line in the wings that will make future wire installation much easier. Just another thought on this topic...
Holger
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glastar(at)gmx.net
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| Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:31 am Post subject: Wires in wing |
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Raymond, I did fabricate L shaped holders going through the lightening
hole, with a cut left and right to add a tie wrap to hold the cables on
the L. Similar things in plastic are available as well.
I can provide a picture probably from my archive somewhere.
cheers Werner
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My concern is having the wires laying
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ctbecker
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| Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:50 am Post subject: Wires in wing |
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Secure a length of 1/2-3/4 in thinwall plastic conduit
from the aviation department at Lowes/Home Depot in the
wing with wire ties. I did mine after we had closed the
wing. The smooth surface makes fishing wire super easy.
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:55:53 -0700
Holger Selover-Stephan <holger-d(at)shadowbrush.com> wrote:
| Quote: | When I installed wing tip lines I had some fun time
running the wires from the root to the tip. But I left a
fishing line in the wings that will make future wire
installation much easier. Just another thought on this
topic...
Holger
On Mar 24, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Sacha wrote:
> Raymond,
> I use Star Company's strobe unit and it has 4 wires for
>each wing. Here's the manual,
> http://www.starcompany.it/Manuali/STROBE%20LIGHT%20THREE%20FLASH%20-%20USA%20STAR.pdf
> Regards
> Sacha
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raymondj(at)frontiernet.n
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| Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:56 am Post subject: Wires in wing |
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I'm not sure how I would install the tie wrap inside a closed wing. Right now I'm leaning toward installing adel clamps with a piece of lacing cord strung through them. I think a 1/2 inch cushioned clamp should be large enough.
| Quote: | Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine |
On 03/25/2013 09:30 AM, Werner Schneider wrote:
[quote]--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net> (glastar(at)gmx.net)
Raymond, I did fabricate L shaped holders going through the lightening hole, with a cut left and right to add a tie wrap to hold the cables on the L. Similar things in plastic are available as well.
I can provide a picture probably from my archive somewhere.
cheers Werner
On 25.03.2013 14:23, rayj wrote:
| Quote: | Holger,
My concern is having the wires laying
on the edges of the lightening holes.
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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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| Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:38 am Post subject: Wires in wing |
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At 09:55 AM 3/25/2013, you wrote:
| Quote: | | I'm not sure how I would install the tie wrap inside a closed wing. Right now I'm leaning toward installing adel clamps with a piece of lacing cord strung through them. I think a 1/2 inch cushioned clamp should be large enough. |
Consider a plastic conduit in Adel clamps. The hardware stores
stock a variety of water pipe in sizes down to 3/8". I think you'll
find that the 3/8 is large enough to accept your wires . . . it's
easy to test at the store . . . otherwise go up to 1/2". Here'a
one example of many.
http://tinyurl.com/cccad2q
The stuff is light, cheap, smooth wall and 100% assurance for ease
of installing wires at a later date.
Bob . . . [quote][b]
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harley(at)AgelessWings.co
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| Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:48 am Post subject: Wires in wing |
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On 3/25/2013 11:36 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
| Quote: | I think you'll find that the 3/8 is large enough to accept your wires
The stuff is light, cheap, smooth wall and 100% assurance for ease
of installing wires at a later date. |
I used a length of that tubing to PUSH the antenna and nav/strobe light wires through the wing hole in my Long EZ. Taped the wires to the end of the tubing, then pushed the tubing through. Removed the tubing when done, leaving the wires inside the original foam tunnel with no tubing around it. Don't want that extra weight in there! Clamped the wires where they exited the tunnel to hold them in place...don't really care what they do inside the foam tunnel.
Harley Dixon
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glastar(at)gmx.net
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| Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:48 am Post subject: Wires in wing |
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Sorry,
I did not get it you had a closed wing, I did these before closing the wing.
On 25.03.2013 15:55, rayj wrote:
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JLuckey(at)pacbell.net
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| Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:38 am Post subject: Wires in wing |
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Bob,
I considered using plastic/PVC plumbing tubing/pipe for the conduit in the wing of my RV-7A but rejected it based on the idea that combustion bi-products from those materials could be lethal. In the event of a fire, I might be rendered unconscious (or worse) before I even got a chance to fight the fire.
Therefore I opted for some thin-wall aluminum tube. I’m curious about what other “listers” think.
-Jeff
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 07:36
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Wires in wing
At 09:55 AM 3/25/2013, you wrote:
I'm not sure how I would install the tie wrap inside a closed wing. Right now I'm leaning toward installing adel clamps with a piece of lacing cord strung through them. I think a 1/2 inch cushioned clamp should be large enough.
Consider a plastic conduit in Adel clamps. The hardware stores
stock a variety of water pipe in sizes down to 3/8". I think you'll
find that the 3/8 is large enough to accept your wires . . . it's
easy to test at the store . . . otherwise go up to 1/2". Here'a
one example of many.
http://tinyurl.com/cccad2q
The stuff is light, cheap, smooth wall and 100% assurance for ease
of installing wires at a later date.
Bob . . . | Quote: | | http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List |
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raymondj(at)frontiernet.n
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| Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:04 am Post subject: Wires in wing |
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Jeff,
That is my 1st choice. Where did you get your thin wall aluminum. I've not been able to find anything that was the right combination of weight, stiffness/straightness, cost and diameter. Something like lawn furniture tubing only smaller dia.
| Quote: | Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine |
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Bob,
I considered using plastic/PVC plumbing tubing/pipe for the conduit in the wing of my RV-7A but rejected it based on the idea that combustion bi-products from those materials could be lethal. In the event of a fire, I might be rendered unconscious (or worse) before I even got a chance to fight the fire.
Therefore I opted for some thin-wall aluminum tube. I’m curious about what other “listers” think.
-Jeff
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 07:36
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Wires in wing
At 09:55 AM 3/25/2013, you wrote:
I'm not sure how I would install the tie wrap inside a closed wing. Right now I'm leaning toward installing adel clamps with a piece of lacing cord strung through them. I think a 1/2 inch cushioned clamp should be large enough.
Consider a plastic conduit in Adel clamps. The hardware stores
stock a variety of water pipe in sizes down to 3/8". I think you'll
find that the 3/8 is large enough to accept your wires . . . it's
easy to test at the store . . . otherwise go up to 1/2". Here'a
one example of many.
http://tinyurl.com/cccad2q
The stuff is light, cheap, smooth wall and 100% assurance for ease
of installing wires at a later date.
Bob . . . 0 1 2 3
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jay(at)horriblehyde.com
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If you were talking about wiring in your cockpit or fuselage I’d agree; but if you have a fire in your wing I think that gasses are going to be one of your smaller worries…. J
Johannnesburg Jay
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Sent: 25 March 2013 07:37 PM
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Wires in wing
Bob,
I considered using plastic/PVC plumbing tubing/pipe for the conduit in the wing of my RV-7A but rejected it based on the idea that combustion bi-products from those materials could be lethal. In the event of a fire, I might be rendered unconscious (or worse) before I even got a chance to fight the fire.
Therefore I opted for some thin-wall aluminum tube. I’m curious about what other “listers” think.
-Jeff
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 07:36
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Wires in wing
At 09:55 AM 3/25/2013, you wrote:
I'm not sure how I would install the tie wrap inside a closed wing. Right now I'm leaning toward installing adel clamps with a piece of lacing cord strung through them. I think a 1/2 inch cushioned clamp should be large enough.
Consider a plastic conduit in Adel clamps. The hardware stores
stock a variety of water pipe in sizes down to 3/8". I think you'll
find that the 3/8 is large enough to accept your wires . . . it's
easy to test at the store . . . otherwise go up to 1/2". Here'a
one example of many.
http://tinyurl.com/cccad2q
The stuff is light, cheap, smooth wall and 100% assurance for ease
of installing wires at a later date.
Bob . . .
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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dee.whittington(at)gmail.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:46 am Post subject: Wires in wing |
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Ditto. We ran HDPE (High Density Polyethelyne) tubing through left and right wings in our Sportsman. Works well. Here are a couple of photos.
We got it from McMaster-Carr. 50375 K534 HDPE tubing 3/4 OD x 5/8 ID x 1/16 wall
Dee
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raymondj(at)frontiernet.n
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| Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:30 pm Post subject: Wires in wing |
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Thanks for all the information and ideas on running wire through the wing. I have decided to go with cushioned adel clamps and run some lacing cord through for pulling wire at a later date.
Thanks again for everyone's input.
| Quote: | Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
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On 03/25/2013 02:45 PM, DeWitt Whittington wrote:
[quote] Ditto. We ran HDPE (High Density Polyethelyne) tubing through left and right wings in our Sportsman. Works well. Here are a couple of photos.
We got it from McMaster-Carr. 50375 K534 HDPE tubing 3/4 OD x 5/8 ID x 1/16 wall
Dee
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Jay Hyde <jay(at)horriblehyde.com (jay(at)horriblehyde.com)> wrote:
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| Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:53 pm Post subject: Wires in wing |
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raymondj(at)frontiernet.n
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| Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:30 am Post subject: Wires in wing |
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I'll be running through existing lightening holes so grommets won't work in my situation. Thanks for the idea.
| Quote: | Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
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On 03/25/2013 09:52 PM, Gordon or Marge wrote:
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| Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:38 am Post subject: Wires in wing |
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wing tip off, wing not yet installed. We were able to
reach from both ends and through the inspection openings
in the bottom of the wing. It would have been easier if I
had the arms of an orangutan, as would many things in
building an 8A, but the result was more than satisfactory.
Hind sight being 20/20, I might choose to install it
before I riveted the wings closed. 
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Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net> wrote:
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Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net>
Sorry,
I did not get it you had a closed wing, I did these
before closing the wing.
On 25.03.2013 15:55, rayj wrote:
> I'm not sure how I would install the tie wrap inside a
>closed wing.
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