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Dennis Thate



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:06 am    Post subject: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework Reply with quote

If any one is interested in a look at the Kolb Factory's design , here is the overhead hoop (4130) ,and side bows (4130 Steel) RH and LH for the Kolb Firestar.
I'm still undecided about which of the many canopy designs to incorporate on my Firestar, so I will sell these if I decide not to use them.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:19 am    Post subject: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework Reply with quote

Dennis,    I have had my Firestar since 97, I have been through most of the variations of windscreens. I have been from the tiny piece of lexan to a full factory enclosure. All have their good and bad sides. The tiny screen was discarded quite soon. I found that the wind hit me in the face and the resultant snot streaks on my glasses were off putting to say the least. Next I bought a full enclosure from Kolb, and didn't like the post in the middle of my vision, so I left it off. On a windy day the wind snatched the lexan out of my hand and snapped it like a piece of glass. I repaired it and used the entire enclosure on my trip to New Mexico. I used it because I had stuff stacked in the interior for my camping. I found that it cost me several MPG and MPH due to the wind grabbing on to the square back side of the curtain. On my return I took the fabric back window off and found that it wasn't noticeably colder without it than with it. Then I decided that I wanted doors and ended up with my current set up. It suits me for once. I have a big enough door that I can sit on the seat and get my head in without any strain and can swing my legs and feet in with little effort.


I used the kit from Kolb, and did a few mods to it to make it work for me. I welded some tabs on the top of the hoop, and made a rod that goes from the tabs to my dash. I also welded a tab on the end and I fastened that to the dash in the upper corner. That gave me both bracing and a platform to rivet a door to. 


One of the problems that I had with all the other things I tried was that the wind would cave in the sides of the lexan. Now, although I could have done a better job on making the door frames, I have got to be really "rock and rolling" for the lexan to flex. 


I am 6 feet tall and a bit chunkier than I really need to be, but I have no problems at all with getting in or out. The wind all goes around, and the prop still gets air.
For what its worth,
Larry
  

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If any one is interested in a  look at the Kolb Factory's design , here is the overhead hoop (4130) ,and side bows (4130 Steel) RH and LH for the Kolb Firestar.
 I'm still undecided about which of the many canopy designs to incorporate on my Firestar, so I will sell these if I decide not to use them.

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Dennis Thate



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework Reply with quote

Thanks for posting your experiences with the many variations of your Firestar cockpit's windscreens and the clear photos you posted ....it's a great help. Especially regarding my concerns about choking off prop air. This forum can be an invaluable asset at times.

Eleanor Roosevelt - "Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself. "
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework Reply with quote

Finally .....the hard part is over ...Deciding what to build ! Now the fun begins , getting all the angles and shapes correct and making a firmly supported mock-up to take to the shop for final inspection and weld-up, and hopefully getting it right the first time.

Check out the Archaeopteryx's removable cockpit door (at) 6:45.

http://player.vimeo.com/video/39325401


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:38 pm    Post subject: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework Reply with quote

Here is another way to do the windscreen that allows for optimum access for old bones, and no center post in field of vision.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:12 pm    Post subject: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework Reply with quote

Pretty slick.Larry

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:20 pm    Post subject: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework Reply with quote

Larry recieved your email on my list but no picture ? Was it attached or just included in the email? thanks Chris


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:54 pm    Post subject: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework Reply with quote

No attachment from me. I just thought that Eugene Z's enclosure was pretty slick. If you want to see the picture that I was talking about you will have to open his email.Larry

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:38 am    Post subject: Re: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework Reply with quote

Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
Here is another way to do the windscreen that allows for optimum access for old bones, and no center post in field of vision.

Eugene,
Nice concept... I'm surprised the Kolb company doesn't offer that as an option. Thanks for the post !

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:38 am    Post subject: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework Reply with quote

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Eugene,
Nice concept... I'm surprised the Kolb company doesn't offer that as an option. Thanks for the post !

Dennis


One of the advantages of the design is that it can easily be made to any size or degree of wind protection desired, from small wind deflector, to full enclosure.
It attaches with only two hinge pins or bolts so one could change and exchange from small wind deflector to full screen in a matter of minutes.
It would be an excellent option for the factory to offer as it does require a rather specific hinge geometry for it to operate ideally.


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