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flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:03 am Post subject: lycoming engine school

I changed the subject line!!!

       I was faced with rebuilding my O-360-A4A in my Pitts .... reason       is in another story.  I have rebuilt a few car engines over my       lifetime so the task wasn't really daunting.

       With two manuals, the assembly manual and parts book, you can       correctly disassemble, measure for wear, and reassemble our       engines.  The hardest part for me was splitting the case and I       made tools to do that.  I wish I could have gone to the engine       class and I'm sure that Bill learned far more of the fine points       ..... which impact longevity of the engine .... which I still       don't have.  I sent my parts out to have them measured/replaced as       necessary ..... very few parts missed that step.  I also had an       A&P that let me buy parts on his account.

       

       Bottom line .... if you follow the assembly manual with the same       diligence you did with the plans while you were building .....       you'll have a 'new' engine that should last you a long time.  The       engine class is valuable, but not a 'required' step.

       Linn

       

       On 4/16/2013 9:39 AM, Bill Watson wrote:

     

     [quote]              On 4/15/2013 6:57 PM, jkreidler         wrote:

       

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Thanks Bill - this sounds great.  May I ask how much they charged?



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       Here's the full confirmation letter with all the details.  

       

       

Dear Mr. Watson,       

You are scheduled to         attend the Lycoming Engine Service School to be held March         19-22, 2013, and the Disassembly/Reassembly course to be held          March 25-27, 2013. Attached is the confirmation letter for your         attendance to these classes. About a month before the first         class begins, I will contact you via email to make sure you are         still planning to attend. At that time I will give you payment         options. Payment should be made before the first day of class.         The cost for the two classes will be $1,425.00 USD each student.       

The Holiday Inn, Downtown         hotel is the recommended hotel to stay during your visit. They         offer a discounted room rate to our students with the special         code listed in your confirmation letter. They also provide free         transportation to and from the class each day, and to and from         the local airport. I do have a list of other hotels in the area         who give a discount to our students. Not all of them, however,         provide transportation. I could email that list to you if you         wish.       

The classes are held at         Pennsylvania College of Technology’s Aviation Center in         Montoursville. The Aviation Center is located adjacent to the         Williamsport Regional Airport (IPT). Please instruct whomever is         driving you to the class that you need to go to Penn College’s           Aviation Center, Montoursville.       

Also, please note that         all classes start promptly at 8:00 a.m. In case of inclement         weather, the Lycoming Engine classes will still be held at 8         a.m. each morning at the Aviation Center.       

If you drive your own         vehicle, please ask the secretary at the front desk of the         Aviation Center to give you a Temporary Parking Hanger to         display in your parked vehicle. The College Police will ticket         any vehicles that do not display the Temporary Parking Hanger.       

        

As part of your tuition         to the Lycoming Engine Service School you will receive a choice         of maintenance manuals from Lycoming Engines. The instructor         will have the order forms for you to complete. It is very important that you         complete the order form accurately and eligibly with theexact address where the         manuals are to be shipped via FedEx.  FedEx will only             ship to a physical address (number, street, city). Lycoming Engines will         only ship once to the address given on         the order form. If the shipment cannot be delivered to the         address given, they will be returned to Lycoming Engines. You         will then have to contact Lycoming Engines and pay for their         shipment.       

If I may be of further         assistance, please contact me. Thank you very much.       

Betty Ayers       

Workforce Development and         Continuing Education       

Pennsylvania College of         Technology       

One College Avenue       

Williamsport, PA 17701       

Phone: [url=tel:570-327-4775]570-327-4775[/url]       

Fax: [url=tel:570.327.4538]570.327.4538[/url]       

bayers(at)pct.edu (bayers(at)pct.edu)       

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Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:36 am Post subject: lycoming engine school

Couldn't agree more on all points!

       

       Having never really worked on anything other than model airplane       engines and 5hp mini-bike, the school gave me the confidence I       needed to work on that big, expensive and important IO540.

       

       Yep.

       

       On 4/16/2013 10:02 AM, Linn wrote:

     

     [quote]              I changed the subject line!!!

         I was faced with rebuilding my O-360-A4A in my Pitts .... reason         is in another story.  I have rebuilt a few car engines over my         lifetime so the task wasn't really daunting.

         With two manuals, the assembly manual and parts book, you can         correctly disassemble, measure for wear, and reassemble our         engines.  The hardest part for me was splitting the case and I         made tools to do that.  I wish I could have gone to the engine         class and I'm sure that Bill learned far more of the fine points         ..... which impact longevity of the engine .... which I still         don't have.  I sent my parts out to have them measured/replaced         as necessary ..... very few parts missed that step.  I also had         an A&P that let me buy parts on his account.

         

         Bottom line .... if you follow the assembly manual with the same         diligence you did with the plans while you were building .....         you'll have a 'new' engine that should last you a long time.          The engine class is valuable, but not a 'required' step.

         Linn

         

       

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jkreidler

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Posts: 151
Location: Sheboygan Falls WI

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:07 am Post subject: Re: lycoming engine school

Thanks for the write up and information, 3% of engine cost to learn the right way to take care of our investment is peanuts.  Even if a person were to decide that they did not want to tackle the engine work and instead hire an A&P I still think it is worth it.  As I have said before when I first started flying I had no idea what held airplanes together, after I owned a factory airplane I started to understand the basics.  It took building the RV-10 to REALLY understand, it took test flying to REALLY understand all of the details and precision of test flying.  I think getting up to my elbows in the engine tear-down and assembly will help me fully understand the engine.  Even though I spent my life before aviation in racing and have had countless engines in pieces, aircraft engines are different animals.  Thanks again - Jason

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flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:32 am Post subject: lycoming engine school

Jason is right.  Our aircraft engines are different than car engines 

... especially today's car engines.   Our engines are locked in a time 

warp ..... they're rock simple and the tolerances are so large you can 

almost use your finger as a feeler gauge!!  OK so I fudged a little or 

have small fingers .... 



But they are that way for a reason .... they are reliable.  That is if 

you do things like the valve wobble test (SB388) which most A&Ps don't 

do and have your mags overhauled every 500 hours.

Linn



On 4/17/2013 8:07 AM, jkreidler wrote:

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 Thanks for the write up and information, 3% of engine cost to learn the right way to take care of our investment is peanuts.  Even if a person were to decide that they did not want to tackle the engine work and instead hire an A&P I still think it is worth it.  As I have said before when I first started flying I had no idea what held airplanes together, after I owned a factory airplane I started to understand the basics.  It took building the RV-10 to REALLY understand, it took test flying to REALLY understand all of the details and precision of test flying.  I think getting up to my elbows in the engine tear-down and assembly will help me fully understand the engine.  Even though I spent my life before aviation in racing and have had countless engines in pieces, aircraft engines are different animals.  Thanks again - Jason



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 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI

 Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler

 N44YH - Flying - #40617





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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:41 am Post subject: lycoming engine school

Even those items vary, depending on vintage of your parts. Valve wobble 

at 400 hours with pre-1997 valve guides, 1000 hours with current 

production parts.

Most experienced A&Ps will tell you to inspect and repair as needed for 

mags at 500 hours, overhaul at 1000 hours. Some will suggest replacement 

of Slick mags at 1000 hours, as the overhaul costs are very close to 

cost of new mags.

Kelly

A&P/IA



On 4/17/2013 5:32 AM, Linn wrote:

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 Jason is right.  Our aircraft engines are different than car engines 

 .... especially today's car engines.   Our engines are locked in a 

 time warp ..... they're rock simple and the tolerances are so large 

 you can almost use your finger as a feeler gauge!! OK so I fudged a 

 little or have small fingers .... 



 But they are that way for a reason .... they are reliable.  That is if 

 you do things like the valve wobble test (SB388) which most A&Ps don't 

 do and have your mags overhauled every 500 hours.

 Linn




	




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