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bob88

Joined: 24 Feb 2013
Posts: 99

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:08 pm Post subject: Engine purchase

I have located Lycoming IO540 C4B5 (as opposed to the Vans current D4A5 model) with 700 hr on it for $18.5K. Anyone have opinions about the price or the difference in the model?

rene(at)felker.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:21 pm Post subject: Engine purchase

That is what I have on my RV-10.  Did not have any problems with it.



No opinion on price.  But, I bought a used engine and regretted it.  Really

sis not save me enough to make a difference.



Rene' Felker

N423CF

801-721-6080



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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:22 pm Post subject: Engine purchase

The C4B5 is virtually identical, except it may have the different engine mount ears (which you can change out). What plane did it come out of? What accessories does it have. If it is a complete engine with good Fuel Injection system, mags with 500 hr check done, good harnesses, starter, ring gear, fuel pump, etc, and NO PROP STRIKE, then you might have a good buy. You can run the C4B5 at 2,700rpm for 260HP if you have the 8.5:1 pistons. If it was originally setup as 250HP, then they were running it at 2,575rpm. If it was 235HP, then it would be the lower compression pistons (7.2:1, I think). We have 1,300 hours on our C4B5 now and it keeps on going.



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

C: 352-427-0285

F: 815-377-3694



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Kelly McMullen

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Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:22 pm Post subject: Engine purchase

Given that most fresh overhauled and new engines are north of $40K now, doesn't sound bad, depending on how old since last overhaul in calendar time, what kind of use it had and whether there is any hint of a prop strike in its history.

 

There is no difference in model, just in rpm limit on data plate.   At 2575 redline it is rated at 250 hp. Dial the governor up to 2700 and it makes 260 and is now a D4A5.



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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:22 pm Post subject: Engine purchase

Bob:



Seems like a good price if you are going to put it on your airplane as a

mid-time engine.  Too much to pay if it is in need of overhaul.  Things

to verify include whether or not the crankshaft is affected by any of

the ADs requiring replacement, whether it is complete, does it have

corrosion in the cylinders or on the cam/lifters.  Also, verify if it

has cylinders that are affected by any SB or AD.



I would want the seller to guarantee that the crankshaft and crankcases

are repairable if it were me.  If I were you, I'd ask to see the

logbooks and detailed parts list if the 700 hours are from overhaul

rather than new.  



Good luck!



Rhonda Barrett-Bewley

Barrett Precision Engines

2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.

Tulsa, OK 74115

(918) 835-1089 phone

(918) 835-1754 fax

www.barrettprecisionengines.com



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rleffler

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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:18 pm Post subject: Engine purchase

You may want a local a&p to take a peek at the cylinders. A friend purchased a used engine that had been setting for a year in Las Vegas.  That's not a place where you would expect moisture issues.  Sure enough, a boroscope found some corrosion.  He ended up negotiating a significant discount, which paid for a top overhaul from Rhonda and Allan.  After Allan was finished, he now has an engine in a very known state. 



I would give Rhonda a call directly.  She'll make sure you know all the questions to ask and what typical costs are if you need them to overhaul all or just parts.   Then you'll be well armed to negotiate. 



You can't get better support than what Rhonda and Allan provides.  



Bob



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On Apr 23, 2013, at 5:21 PM, "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda(at)bpaengines.com> wrote:






Bob:



Seems like a good price if you are going to put it on your airplane as a

mid-time engine.  Too much to pay if it is in need of overhaul.  Things

to verify include whether or not the crankshaft is affected by any of

the ADs requiring replacement, whether it is complete, does it have

corrosion in the cylinders or on the cam/lifters.  Also, verify if it

has cylinders that are affected by any SB or AD.



I would want the seller to guarantee that the crankshaft and crankcases

are repairable if it were me.  If I were you, I'd ask to see the

logbooks and detailed parts list if the 700 hours are from overhaul

rather than new.  



Good luck!



Rhonda Barrett-Bewley

Barrett Precision Engines

2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.

Tulsa, OK 74115

(918) 835-1089 phone

(918) 835-1754 fax

www.barrettprecisionengines.com



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johngoodman

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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: Engine purchase

At that price, make sure it was never on an Airboat....

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dmasys

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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:49 am Post subject: Engine purchase

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		  Time: 01:09:08 PM PST US

Subject: Engine purchase

From: "bob88" <marty.crooks(at)comcast.net>

I have located Lycoming IO540 C4B5 (as opposed to the Vans current D4A5

model)

 	  Quote: 	
		  with 700 hr on it for $18.5K. Anyone have opinions about the price or the

difference

 	  Quote: 	
		  in the model?

I found a really  amazingly good deal advertised in Trade-a-Plane for a

newly rebuilt IO-360 engine, overhauled by an A&P/IA, for my RV-7A.  The

engine failed catastrophically at 85 hrs.  The seller is now in federal

prison in Oklahoma, and I get a small check from the Dept. of Justice about

twice a year, which will repay the price of the engine (as mandated by the

courts) in about 80 years.  When disassembled by an FAA authorized repair

station, the engine contained parts that were stamped "Not Airworthy".

Not everybody in aviation is honest.  When I built the RV-10, the clear

choice was a factory new engine, which has performed flawlessly for the past

600 hrs TTSN.

Caveat emptor...

Dan Masys

RV-10 N104LD

RV-12 N122LD

Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:11 am Post subject: Engine purchase

While there are always bad actors, one also has to understand that 

choices are often made between seller/overhauler and the customer that 

affect the end result.

Engines for experimental aircraft do not have to meet the standards for 

certified engines. That can be good or bad. Parts can be reused that 

would be rejected for certified engines. Some may be fine, others 

dangerous. There isn't a universal answer.

If one doe not have the expertise to make those choices, then sticking 

with a reputable shop or factory may be the best choice.

Some of us have the knowledge and ability to custom build an engine for 

our project, but choose to not do so for many reasons, including getting 

flying sooner rather than later.

I just did a safety seminar discussion on the crash of an RV-6, where 

the owner chose to weld repair the governor line from the rear mounted 

governor to the front of the engine. Such a repair is prohibited on 

certified Lycoming engines by AD, for good reason. The repair failed and 

the owner did not survive the ensuing crash.

Choose wisely.

Kelly

A&P/IA

On 4/24/2013 5:46 AM, Dan Masys wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

> Time: 01:09:08 PM PST US

> Subject: Engine purchase

> From: "bob88" <marty.crooks(at)comcast.net>

>

> I have located Lycoming IO540 C4B5 (as opposed to the Vans current D4A5

 model)

> with 700 hr on it for $18.5K. Anyone have opinions about the price or the

 difference

> in the model?

 I found a really  amazingly good deal advertised in Trade-a-Plane for a

 newly rebuilt IO-360 engine, overhauled by an A&P/IA, for my RV-7A.  The

 engine failed catastrophically at 85 hrs.  The seller is now in federal

 prison in Oklahoma, and I get a small check from the Dept. of Justice about

 twice a year, which will repay the price of the engine (as mandated by the

 courts) in about 80 years.  When disassembled by an FAA authorized repair

 station, the engine contained parts that were stamped "Not Airworthy".

 Not everybody in aviation is honest.  When I built the RV-10, the clear

 choice was a factory new engine, which has performed flawlessly for the past

 600 hrs TTSN.

 Caveat emptor...

 Dan Masys

 RV-10 N104LD

 RV-12 N122LD

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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:03 am Post subject: Engine purchase

I had a similar RV-6 event with an O-360 overhauled by an engine shop, although the parts were correct they were not assembled correctly and the engine self destructed at about 80 hours.  For my Skybolt I got an 1100 SMOH engine from an Aztec that a hanger fell on.  Worked great.  While a freshly overhauled engine should be the way to go in a perfect world, and you certainly should get more life out of it, there is something to be said about an engine that has already been running for a while and proved that the mechanic didn't come up short somewhere.  I put a new IO-540 from Aerosport in the RV-10 and it has also worked great.  So nothing definitive, but a couple things to consider.



IMHO a 8

700 hour engine will give you plenty of time left before you should have to do anything.  I'd be more concerned about how recently it ran and what sort of life it had during those 700 hours.



Marcus



On Apr 24, 2013, at 8:46 AM, "Dan Masys" <dmasys(at)u.washington.edu> wrote:






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		   Time: 01:09:08 PM PST US

 Subject: Engine purchase

 From: "bob88" <marty.crooks(at)comcast.net>

 

 I have located Lycoming IO540 C4B5 (as opposed to the Vans current D4A5

model)
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   with 700 hr on it for $18.5K. Anyone have opinions about the price or the

difference
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   in the model?


	


I found a really  amazingly good deal advertised in Trade-a-Plane for a

newly rebuilt IO-360 engine, overhauled by an A&P/IA, for my RV-7A.  The

engine failed catastrophically at 85 hrs.  The seller is now in federal

prison in Oklahoma, and I get a small check from the Dept. of Justice about

twice a year, which will repay the price of the engine (as mandated by the

courts) in about 80 years.  When disassembled by an FAA authorized repair

station, the engine contained parts that were stamped "Not Airworthy".



Not everybody in aviation is honest.  When I built the RV-10, the clear

choice was a factory new engine, which has performed flawlessly for the past

600 hrs TTSN.



Caveat emptor...



Dan Masys

RV-10 N104LD

RV-12 N122LD

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