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Hi Barry,
"So, who should I call, who should I be writing my letters to?"
You should not have taken off because you could not contact ATC via RCO. Call FSS on the phone and get a freq. Here's how it works.
Call FSS on the phone before you take off and file a flight plan. When you file, FSS will give you a frequency to use to open your flight plan after take off. To pop up and to expect service is akin to butting in line. Find your CFI and ask how this works if you still have questions.
I don't want my Airport Improvement Program (AIP) fund fees to pay for tower staffing. Towers are for airlines. Airlines and their passengers have twisted Congress's arm to force the FAA to take my money from my AIP fund to staff their towers so they can make their money and operate with no inconvenience to themselves. Meanwhile, my airport won't be able to fix the damn potholes in the taxiways. The sequester is supposed to be inconvenient. That's the point.
Eric
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1. 08:03 PM - Great Flight - Bad Freq's (FLYaDIVE)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 08:03:31 PM PST US
Subject: Great Flight - Bad Freq's
From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com>
Gang:
Maybe this is slightly related to the FAA inspector and the POH issue.
Saturday, I had a Great Flight out to Nantucket (KACK) for
the Daffodil Festival. But it did not start out that way.
I was flying out of Solberg (N51) in NJ. They have a VOR right on the
field that has been down for maintenance for a while and there is a RCO for
NY TRACON either in the VOR building or very close by. Well, I tried about
6 times while on the ground to contact NYAPCH... Three times on each radio
- No luck - Then I tried once more, after I got to pattern altitude - No
luck - So I changed frequency to 132.8 - No luck, of course I tried a few
times on each Comm. Then switch frequencies to 126.4 and 127.8 - NO LUCK!
While all of this radio work was going on I slowed down the plane and
stayed at 2500' so as not to bust the NY Class B. I was flying with Susan
and she suggested I contact Morristown (KMMU) since, we were getting close
to their airspace. GREAT SUGGESTION! When I contacted them I explained I
could NOT raise NY APCH on any of the frequencies, they told me to
"stand-by". . . . . . . . . . They said, try 120.4, now that frequency is
NOT on my Cheat Sheet of 10 frequencies. I gave them a call and BINGO!
Not the fuel - ATC Answered. I Requested my heading and an altitude of
5500' - They cleared me into Class B, on my heading and to my requested
altitude.
So, what went wrong with the other four frequencies and the 19 times of
trying to contact them?
And how does this relate to the POH issue?
It was suggested that the FAA is protesting the obama Budget Cuts - This
could be their own version of the Blue Flu or an obama Backfire. Now, we
all pick on the FAA at some point or another. But, if this is what is
truly happening, the FAA could use our help and it is time that us GA
pilots stand behind the FAA. Matter of fact, we should do something. If
this is the way it is NOW before the tower closings it will only get worse
once the towers are closed... Flight Following FORGET IT! Remember the
Pay As You Go proposal that was voted down? If the towers close, how do
you think they will get the money to reopen them? PAY AS YOU GO! ! !
So, who should I call, who should I be writing my letters to?
*Barry*
*PS: GANG - Put that frequency on your Cheat Sheet.*
*VOR (SBJ) - Still Down - They are transmitting voice and radial signal -
But, there is NO Morse Code. You know what that means!*
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before him. The reason why we don't have great inventors today is,
everyone is trying to reinvent the wheel"*
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BARRY CHECK 6
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:08 am Post subject: Continental-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/28/13 |
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Eric:
You are misinformed. To start with I am the one asking who should I contact. First off will be both my congressmen and representatives. Unfortunately NJ had Lautenberg (D), he is very anti-aviation. Sorry to say this but NJ congressman affect the Nations policies.
Second: A S&R flight plan was filed on the ground. But that has NOTHING to do with accessing the Class B. Filing a S&R has NOTHING to do with the decision of taking off or not taking off, there is NO reason why one should not take off. The more used method is to file on the ground and ACTIVATE in the air. The other method is to file on the ground and give them a AIRBORNE time when the S&R is to be a ACTIVATED. This is just like in the IFR procedure when you are given a Clearance By time. The very strong point to remember is: If you FAIL to be airborne within 15 minutes AFTER your prescribed time you MUST close the flight plan. Failure to do so will activate the S&R part and you will be FINED. So, do you see the difference between a S&R and just getting clearance into the Class B? So, "Find your CFI and ask how this works if you still have questions."
Third: You are not keeping up with what is happening to GA. The AIP does NOT affect all airports. You have to apply for it and MANY airports prefer to keep the government out of their business, Solberg is one of them - They are privately owned. That does NOT mean they are a private airport!
Fourth: Towers - Think about why towers were put in place? They were put there because that airport became busy - It also might be located very close to another busy airport (see KMMU & KCDW) AND they are designed to control air traffic departing and arriving as well as ground control. Don't confuse Towers with ATC.
Fifth: Towers - Our economy stinks. People are out of work. AND YOU want to accept the obama Budget Cuts the obama backfire.. I backfire also but I call it a FART! And you want to:
* ALLOW the government to put MORE people out of work?
* ALLOW the government to PURPOSELY make the sky dangerous?
Where do you thing that is going? Its going to the elimination of GA!
What do you think the media is going to do with the first Mid-Air Accident that happens over a closed Tower Airport, especially when there is a school or hospital below? I can see it now - ELIMINATE G.A. - - These people should NOT have pilot licenses - - - O! My GOD! The Children on the ground, the people in the hospitals. <--- Can you open your eyes and see!
* ALLOW the government to put PEOPLE in danger - People - Maybe your family and friends to fly in Commercial airliners and not have control towers. AND don't forget about those Commercial Captains - - - They were once students and CFI's. You want put ALL these people in danger just so the government can make things "inconvenient"!
Eric, I'm sorry I don't know how to be polite here, I know I am not PC, nor will I ever be PC. But, Eric - Get your head out of your asshole and think and look what is going on!
Oh, If your airport is part of the AIP, and the potholes and not getting fixed... ASK WHY NOT! They have the money! And, if money is still the issue - Offer to pass a petition around to all the pilot/owners requesting them to pay higher tie-down fees or raise the gas prices. I'm sure they will LOVE you.
Gas prices - My airport is getting at least $2.00 per gallon OVER the wholesale price. And have you noticed in the past month MoGas has decreased $0.50 per gallon. Why not AvGas?
Any man or woman that successfully runs a household can balance the Nation budget. It is simple - Don't spend more than you make! O! But wait, the Nation does not MAKE anything - Except POTHOLES.
Sorry Gang, I did not want to turn this into a political thing. I didn't! Not in the way Eric did. But, I will not turn my cheek and get slapped with the loss of GA.
Barry
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Hi Barry,
"So, who should I call, who should I be writing my letters to?"
You should not have taken off because you could not contact ATC via RCO. Call FSS on the phone and get a freq. Here's how it works.
Call FSS on the phone before you take off and file a flight plan. When you file, FSS will give you a frequency to use to open your flight plan after take off. To pop up and to expect service is akin to butting in line. Find your CFI and ask how this works if you still have questions.
I don't want my Airport Improvement Program (AIP) fund fees to pay for tower staffing. Towers are for airlines. Airlines and their passengers have twisted Congress's arm to force the FAA to take my money from my AIP fund to staff their towers so they can make their money and operate with no inconvenience to themselves. Meanwhile, my airport won't be able to fix the damn potholes in the taxiways. The sequester is supposed to be inconvenient. That's the point.
Eric
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>Subject: Great Flight - Bad Freq's
>From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com (flyadive(at)gmail.com)>
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>Gang:
>
>Maybe this is slightly related to the FAA inspector and the POH issue.
>Saturday, I had a Great Flight out to Nantucket (KACK) for
>the Daffodil Festival. But it did not start out that way.
>I was flying out of Solberg (N51) in NJ. They have a VOR right on the
>field that has been down for maintenance for a while and there is a RCO for
>NY TRACON either in the VOR building or very close by. Well, I tried about
>6 times while on the ground to contact NYAPCH... Three times on each radio
>- No luck - Then I tried once more, after I got to pattern altitude - No
>luck - So I changed frequency to 132.8 - No luck, of course I tried a few
>times on each Comm. Then switch frequencies to 126.4 and 127.8 - NO LUCK!
> While all of this radio work was going on I slowed down the plane and
>stayed at 2500' so as not to bust the NY Class B. I was flying with Susan
>and she suggested I contact Morristown (KMMU) since, we were getting close
>to their airspace. GREAT SUGGESTION! When I contacted them I explained I
>could NOT raise NY APCH on any of the frequencies, they told me to
>"stand-by". . . . . . . . . . They said, try 120.4, now that frequency is
>NOT on my Cheat Sheet of 10 frequencies. I gave them a call and BINGO!
> Not the fuel - ATC Answered. I Requested my heading and an altitude of
>5500' - They cleared me into Class B, on my heading and to my requested
>altitude.
>
>So, what went wrong with the other four frequencies and the 19 times of
>trying to contact them?
>And how does this relate to the POH issue?
>It was suggested that the FAA is protesting the obama Budget Cuts - This
>could be their own version of the Blue Flu or an obama Backfire. Now, we
>all pick on the FAA at some point or another. But, if this is what is
>truly happening, the FAA could use our help and it is time that us GA
>pilots stand behind the FAA. Matter of fact, we should do something. If
>this is the way it is NOW before the tower closings it will only get worse
>once the towers are closed... Flight Following FORGET IT! Remember the
>Pay As You Go proposal that was voted down? If the towers close, how do
>you think they will get the money to reopen them? PAY AS YOU GO! ! !
>So, who should I call, who should I be writing my letters to?
>
>*Barry*
>
>*PS: GANG - Put that frequency on your Cheat Sheet.*
>
>*VOR (SBJ) - Still Down - They are transmitting voice and radial signal -
>But, there is NO Morse Code. You know what that means!*
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>*=93Chop=92d Liver=94*
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>before him. The reason why we don't have great inventors today is,
>everyone is trying to reinvent the wheel"*
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"Barry",
I hardly know where to start with this. Hopefully, the moderator will put this whole thread where it belongs. Certainly do not archive. It's not about Continentals and I apologize to all the other list members for responding at all.
By your own admission your have a poor attitude. A poor attitude such as you displayed in the air as well as in your rant is a well known hazard to flight safety. The fact that you had so much trouble navigating around Class B airspace should also be a wake up call. You said you were asking here for help on who to contact. I tried to help you, but ended up being personally attacked.
My post will be to other pilots who may be misinformed by your mistaken ideas on Flight Plans.
1. First, there is no such thing as a S&R Flight Plan
2. Second, the time frame for Search and Rescue efforts (SAR) to be initiated is 30 minutes after failing to report, not 15 minutes.
3. Contacting FSS for a Flight Briefing before filing a Flight Plan will give access to the Notams system. Notams will include among other things, notice of changes in communications.
Reference AIM 6-2-7
g. VFR Search and Rescue Protection.
1. To receive this valuable protection, file a VFR
or DVFR Flight Plan with an FAA FSS. For
maximum protection, file only to the point of first
intended landing, and refile for each leg to final
destination. When a lengthy flight plan is filed, with
several stops en route and an ETE to final destination,
a mishap could occur on any leg, and unless other
information is received, it is probable that no one
would start looking for you until 30 minutes after
your ETA at your final destination.
Reference AIM 5−1−14. Closing VFR/DVFR Flight Plans
A pilot is responsible for ensuring that his/her VFR or
DVFR flight plan is canceled. You should close your
flight plan with the nearest FSS, or if one is not
available, you may request any ATC facility to relay
your cancellation to the FSS.Control towers do not
automatically close VFR or DVFR flight plans since
they do not know if a particular VFR aircraft is on a
flight plan. If you fail to report or cancel your flight
plan within 1/2 hour after your ETA, search and rescue
procedures are started.
REFERENCE−
14 CFR Section 91.153.
14 CFR Section 91.169.
Reference 5−1−3. Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) System
a. Time-critical aeronautical information which
is of either a temporary nature or not sufficiently
known in advance to permit publication on
aeronautical charts or in other operational publications receives immediate dissemination via the
National NOTAM System.
NOTE−
1. NOTAM information is that aeronautical information
that could affect a pilot’s decision to make a flight. It
includes such information as airport or aerodrome
primary runway closures, taxiways, ramps, obstructions,
communications, airspace, changes in the status of
navigational aids, ILSs, radar service availability, and
other information essential to planned en route, terminal,
or landing operations.
Good luck,
Eric.
Second: A S&R flight plan was filed on the ground. �But that has NOTHING to do with accessing the Class B. �Filing a S&R has NOTHING to do with the decision of taking off or not taking off, there is NO�reason�why one should not take off.� The more used method is to file on the ground and ACTIVATE in the air. �The other method is to file on the ground and give them a AIRBORNE time when the S&R is to be a ACTIVATED. �This is just like in the IFR procedure when you are given a Clearance By time. �The very strong point to remember is: �If you FAIL to be airborne within 15 minutes AFTER your prescribed time you MUST close the flight plan. �Failure to do so will activate the S&R part and you will be FINED. �So, do you see the�difference�between a S&R and just getting clearance into the Class B? �So, "Find your CFI and ask how this works if you still have questions."�
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BARRY CHECK 6
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Eric:
YOU hardly know where to begin?Â
I can see why - You don't READ!
And I will take this off the engine forum and respond directly to you.
I did not navigat AROUND I went through - The Class B.
The rest of this will be sent to you directly.
Barry
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:56 PM, eschlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com (eschlanser(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
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"Barry",
I hardly know where to start with this. Hopefully, the moderator will put this whole thread where it belongs. Certainly do not archive. It's not about Continentals and I apologize to all the other list members for responding at all.
By your own admission your have a poor attitude. A poor attitude such as you displayed in the air as well as in your rant is a well known hazard to flight safety. The fact that you had so much trouble navigating around Class B airspace should also be a wake up call. Â You said you were asking here for help on who to contact. I tried to help you, but ended up being personally attacked.
My post will be to other pilots who may be misinformed by your mistaken ideas on Flight Plans.
1. First, there is no such thing as a S&R Flight Plan
2. Second, the time frame for Search and Rescue efforts (SAR) to be initiated is 30 minutes after failing to report, not 15 minutes.
3. Contacting FSS for a Flight Briefing before filing a Flight Plan will give access to the Notams system. Notams will include among other things, notice of changes in communications.
Reference AIM 6-2-7
g. VFR Search and Rescue Protection.
1. To receive this valuable protection, file a VFR
or DVFR Flight Plan with an FAA FSS. For
maximum protection, file only to the point of first
intended landing, and refile for each leg to final
destination. When a lengthy flight plan is filed, with
several stops en route and an ETE to final destination,
a mishap could occur on any leg, and unless other
information is received, it is probable that no one
would start looking for you until 30 minutes after
your ETA at your final destination.
Reference AIM 5−1−14. Closing VFR/DVFR Flight Plans
A pilot is responsible for ensuring that his/her VFR or
DVFR flight plan is canceled. You should close your
flight plan with the nearest FSS, or if one is not
available, you may request any ATC facility to relay
your cancellation to the FSS.Control towers do not
automatically close VFR or DVFR flight plans since
they do not know if a particular VFR aircraft is on a
flight plan. If you fail to report or cancel your flight
plan within 1/2 hour after your ETA, search and rescue
procedures are started.
REFERENCE−
14 CFR Section 91.153.
14 CFR Section 91.169.
Reference 5−1−3. Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) System
a. Time-critical aeronautical information which
is of either a temporary nature or not sufficiently
known in advance to permit publication on
aeronautical charts or in other operational publications receives immediate dissemination via the
National NOTAM System.
NOTE−
1. NOTAM information is that aeronautical information
that could affect a pilot’s decision to make a flight. It
includes such information as airport or aerodrome
primary runway closures, taxiways, ramps, obstructions,
communications, airspace, changes in the status of
navigational aids, ILSs, radar service availability, and
other information essential to planned en route, terminal,
or landing operations.
Good luck,
Eric.
Second: A S&R flight plan was filed on the ground. �But that has NOTHING to do with accessing the Class B. �Filing a S&R has NOTHING to do with the decision of taking off or not taking off, there is NO�reason�why one should not take off.� The more used method is to file on the ground and ACTIVATE in the air. �The other method is to file on the ground and give them a AIRBORNE time when the S&R is to be a ACTIVATED. �This is just like in the IFR procedure when you are given a Clearance By time. �The very strong point to remember is: �If you FAIL to be airborne within 15 minutes AFTER your prescribed time you MUST close the flight plan. �Failure to do so will activate the S&R part and you will be FINED. �So, do you see the�difference�between a S&R and just getting clearance into the Class B? �So, "Find your CFI and ask how this works if you still have questions."�
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Personally, I was offended by the opinionated remarks about President Obama by Barry. But, I've learned to keep my mouth shut about politics on aviation forums.
Have a good day and keep the shiny side up!
Tommy,
Sent from my Xoom Tablet On Apr 29, 2013 4:05 PM, "FLYaDIVE" <flyadive(at)gmail.com (flyadive(at)gmail.com)> wrote:[quote] Eric:
YOU hardly know where to begin?Â
I can see why - You don't READ!
And I will take this off the engine forum and respond directly to you.
I did not navigat AROUND I went through - The Class B.
The rest of this will be sent to you directly.
Barry
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:56 PM, eschlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com (eschlanser(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
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"Barry",
I hardly know where to start with this. Hopefully, the moderator will put this whole thread where it belongs. Certainly do not archive. It's not about Continentals and I apologize to all the other list members for responding at all.
By your own admission your have a poor attitude. A poor attitude such as you displayed in the air as well as in your rant is a well known hazard to flight safety. The fact that you had so much trouble navigating around Class B airspace should also be a wake up call. Â You said you were asking here for help on who to contact. I tried to help you, but ended up being personally attacked.
My post will be to other pilots who may be misinformed by your mistaken ideas on Flight Plans.
1. First, there is no such thing as a S&R Flight Plan
2. Second, the time frame for Search and Rescue efforts (SAR) to be initiated is 30 minutes after failing to report, not 15 minutes.
3. Contacting FSS for a Flight Briefing before filing a Flight Plan will give access to the Notams system. Notams will include among other things, notice of changes in communications.
Reference AIM 6-2-7
g. VFR Search and Rescue Protection.
1. To receive this valuable protection, file a VFR
or DVFR Flight Plan with an FAA FSS. For
maximum protection, file only to the point of first
intended landing, and refile for each leg to final
destination. When a lengthy flight plan is filed, with
several stops en route and an ETE to final destination,
a mishap could occur on any leg, and unless other
information is received, it is probable that no one
would start looking for you until 30 minutes after
your ETA at your final destination.
Reference AIM 5−1−14. Closing VFR/DVFR Flight Plans
A pilot is responsible for ensuring that his/her VFR or
DVFR flight plan is canceled. You should close your
flight plan with the nearest FSS, or if one is not
available, you may request any ATC facility to relay
your cancellation to the FSS.Control towers do not
automatically close VFR or DVFR flight plans since
they do not know if a particular VFR aircraft is on a
flight plan. If you fail to report or cancel your flight
plan within 1/2 hour after your ETA, search and rescue
procedures are started.
REFERENCE−
14 CFR Section 91.153.
14 CFR Section 91.169.
Reference 5−1−3. Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) System
a. Time-critical aeronautical information which
is of either a temporary nature or not sufficiently
known in advance to permit publication on
aeronautical charts or in other operational publications receives immediate dissemination via the
National NOTAM System.
NOTE−
1. NOTAM information is that aeronautical information
that could affect a pilot’s decision to make a flight. It
includes such information as airport or aerodrome
primary runway closures, taxiways, ramps, obstructions,
communications, airspace, changes in the status of
navigational aids, ILSs, radar service availability, and
other information essential to planned en route, terminal,
or landing operations.
Good luck,
Eric.
Second: A S&R flight plan was filed on the ground. �But that has NOTHING to do with accessing the Class B. �Filing a S&R has NOTHING to do with the decision of taking off or not taking off, there is NO�reason�why one should not take off.� The more used method is to file on the ground and ACTIVATE in the air. �The other method is to file on the ground and give them a AIRBORNE time when the S&R is to be a ACTIVATED. �This is just like in the IFR procedure when you are given a Clearance By time. �The very strong point to remember is: �If you FAIL to be airborne within 15 minutes AFTER your prescribed time you MUST close the flight plan. �Failure to do so will activate the S&R part and you will be FINED. �So, do you see the�difference�between a S&R and just getting clearance into the Class B? �So, "Find your CFI and ask how this works if you still have questions."�
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