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 Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:55 am Post subject: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps |
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I have a 5 and vary between full and one notch. My experience with the stock elevator and not having the interconnect mod, is that the stick forces are fairly high and I have to use a lot of effort to get the tailwheel down first or in a three point.
hope this helps
Steve D
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Hello fellow Kitfoxers!
Looking to see if there is anyone out there that has any experience landing a Model 5 with the flaperons in the second (full) flap notch setting.
Lloyd C KF 5 Outback
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| Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:11 pm Post subject: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps |
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Steve,
Thanks for the reply, not sure I am familiar with the interconnect mod? To date I have only landed with the first notch of flap and would like to start working with the second or full, my hesitation is that I feel I may run out of elevator. What are you using for an approach speed for each position?
Lloyd
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Didier
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Subject: Re: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps
I have a 5 and vary between full and one notch. My experience with the stock elevator and not having the interconnect mod, is that the stick forces are fairly high and I have to use a lot of effort to get the tailwheel down first or in a three point.
hope this helps
Steve D
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:20 AM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds(at)Chartermi.net (7suds(at)Chartermi.net)> wrote:
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Hello fellow Kitfoxers!
Looking to see if there is anyone out there that has any experience landing a Model 5 with the flaperons in the second (full) flap notch setting.
Lloyd C KF 5 Outback
912ul IVO IFA Northern Mi
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| Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:26 pm Post subject: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps |
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Lloyd ,
I'm using 65-70 downwind, 62 base, 60 final and 52 over the fence with touchdown at about 43. I do have vg's (STOL Speed) and my plane with full flaps refuses to stall it mushes at 38 indicated with 500fpm
Check the KitFox catalog you'll find there is a retrofit mod that is supposed to reduce the stick forces when using full laps. I've gotten used to my 5 and just have to remember to pull the stick all the way to my gut to three point it.
Steve
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On Jul 2, 2013, at 4:11 PM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds(at)Chartermi.net (7suds(at)Chartermi.net)> wrote:
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Steve,
Thanks for the reply, not sure I am familiar with the interconnect mod? To date I have only landed with the first notch of flap and would like to start working with the second or full, my hesitation is that I feel I may run out of elevator. What are you using for an approach speed for each position?
Lloyd
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Didier
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:56 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps
I have a 5 and vary between full and one notch. My experience with the stock elevator and not having the interconnect mod, is that the stick forces are fairly high and I have to use a lot of effort to get the tailwheel down first or in a three point.
hope this helps
Steve D
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:20 AM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds(at)Chartermi.net (7suds(at)Chartermi.net)> wrote:
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Hello fellow Kitfoxers!
Looking to see if there is anyone out there that has any experience landing a Model 5 with the flaperons in the second (full) flap notch setting.
Lloyd C KF 5 Outback
912ul IVO IFA Northern Mi
<image001.jpg>
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01234567
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| Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:09 pm Post subject: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps |
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Hi Steve,
Are these speeds mph?
sacha
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Didier
Sent: Wednesday, 03 July, 2013 08:26
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps
Lloyd ,
I'm using 65-70 downwind, 62 base, 60 final and 52 over the fence with touchdown at about 43. I do have vg's (STOL Speed) and my plane with full flaps refuses to stall it mushes at 38 indicated with 500fpm
Check the KitFox catalog you'll find there is a retrofit mod that is supposed to reduce the stick forces when using full laps. I've gotten used to my 5 and just have to remember to pull the stick all the way to my gut to three point it.
Steve
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 2, 2013, at 4:11 PM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds(at)Chartermi.net (7suds(at)Chartermi.net)> wrote:
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Steve,
Thanks for the reply, not sure I am familiar with the interconnect mod? To date I have only landed with the first notch of flap and would like to start working with the second or full, my hesitation is that I feel I may run out of elevator. What are you using for an approach speed for each position?
Lloyd
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Steve Didier
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:56 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps
I have a 5 and vary between full and one notch. My experience with the stock elevator and not having the interconnect mod, is that the stick forces are fairly high and I have to use a lot of effort to get the tailwheel down first or in a three point.
hope this helps
Steve D
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:20 AM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds(at)Chartermi.net (7suds(at)Chartermi.net)> wrote:
No virus found in this message.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:08 am Post subject: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps |
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Steve,
Are these numbers with one notch of flap or two? Or do you use the same numbers for either? Your numbers look very similar to mine with one notch, I am working on getting my final down to 55. You mention about the stick pressure, I think the mod you are referring to might be the adjustable spring tension mod for the stick that I have heard of, I also have a lot of stick pressure on final. Â Is your 5 equipped with the jackscrew for adjusting the angle of the horizontal stabilizer?
Lloyd
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Didier
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 1:26 AM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps
Lloyd ,
I'm using 65-70 downwind, 62 base, 60 final and 52 over the fence with touchdown at about 43. I do have vg's (STOL Speed) and my plane with full flaps refuses to stall it mushes at 38 indicated with 500fpm
Check the KitFox catalog you'll find there is a retrofit mod that is supposed to reduce the stick forces when using full laps. I've gotten used to my 5 and just have to remember to pull the stick all the way to my gut to three point it.
Steve
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 2, 2013, at 4:11 PM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds(at)Chartermi.net (7suds(at)Chartermi.net)> wrote:
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Steve,
Thanks for the reply, not sure I am familiar with the interconnect mod? To date I have only landed with the first notch of flap and would like to start working with the second or full, my hesitation is that I feel I may run out of elevator. What are you using for an approach speed for each position?
Lloyd
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Steve Didier
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:56 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps
I have a 5 and vary between full and one notch. My experience with the stock elevator and not having the interconnect mod, is that the stick forces are fairly high and I have to use a lot of effort to get the tailwheel down first or in a three point.
hope this helps
Steve D
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:20 AM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds(at)Chartermi.net (7suds(at)Chartermi.net)> wrote:
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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Version: 2013.0.3345 / 07/02/13
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| Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:57 am Post subject: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps |
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yes mph
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Hi Steve,
Are these speeds mph?
sacha
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Didier
Sent: Wednesday, 03 July, 2013 08:26
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps
Lloyd ,
I'm using 65-70 downwind, 62 base, 60 final and 52 over the fence with touchdown at about 43. I do have vg's (STOL Speed) and my plane with full flaps refuses to stall it mushes at 38 indicated with 500fpm
Check the KitFox catalog you'll find there is a retrofit mod that is supposed to reduce the stick forces when using full laps. I've gotten used to my 5 and just have to remember to pull the stick all the way to my gut to three point it.
Steve
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 2, 2013, at 4:11 PM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds(at)Chartermi.net (7suds(at)Chartermi.net)> wrote:
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Steve,
Thanks for the reply, not sure I am familiar with the interconnect mod? To date I have only landed with the first notch of flap and would like to start working with the second or full, my hesitation is that I feel I may run out of elevator. What are you using for an approach speed for each position?
Lloyd
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Steve Didier
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:56 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps
I have a 5 and vary between full and one notch. My experience with the stock elevator and not having the interconnect mod, is that the stick forces are fairly high and I have to use a lot of effort to get the tailwheel down first or in a three point.
hope this helps
Steve D
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:20 AM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds(at)Chartermi.net (7suds(at)Chartermi.net)> wrote:
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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| Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:57 am Post subject: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps |
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Thanks - i have a IV and my speeds up to now have been about 10mph lower, maybe because my stall speed is also lower (currently 30mph indicated). I have just bought the same vg's as you and I'm keen to find out what effect they have on stall characteristics.
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On Jul 3, 2013, at 16:49, Steven Didier <steve.didier(at)gmail.com (steve.didier(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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On Jul 3, 2013, at 12:02 AM, "Sacha" <uuccio(at)gmail.com (uuccio(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Hi Steve,
Are these speeds mph?
sacha
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Steven Didier
Sent: Wednesday, 03 July, 2013 08:26
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps
Lloyd ,
I'm using 65-70 downwind, 62 base, 60 final and 52 over the fence with touchdown at about 43. I do have vg's (STOL Speed) and my plane with full flaps refuses to stall it mushes at 38 indicated with 500fpm
Check the KitFox catalog you'll find there is a retrofit mod that is supposed to reduce the stick forces when using full laps. I've gotten used to my 5 and just have to remember to pull the stick all the way to my gut to three point it.
Steve
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 2, 2013, at 4:11 PM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds(at)Chartermi.net (7suds(at)Chartermi.net)> wrote:
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Steve,
Thanks for the reply, not sure I am familiar with the interconnect mod? To date I have only landed with the first notch of flap and would like to start working with the second or full, my hesitation is that I feel I may run out of elevator. What are you using for an approach speed for each position?
Lloyd
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Steve Didier
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:56 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps
I have a 5 and vary between full and one notch. My experience with the stock elevator and not having the interconnect mod, is that the stick forces are fairly high and I have to use a lot of effort to get the tailwheel down first or in a three point.
hope this helps
Steve D
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:20 AM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds(at)Chartermi.net (7suds(at)Chartermi.net)> wrote:
No virus found in this message.
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