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mike91911

Joined: 03 Jul 2013
Posts: 14
Location: Riverside, RI

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 6:20 pm Post subject: Difference between mark II and mark III

Is there a way to tell the difference between a Mk II and a Mk III just by looking? I'm looking at a plane that is listed as a Mk III. It was originally used as an ultralight trainer and wasn't N numbered until 2003.  The current owner knows the history of the plane but because it was an estate sale records are missing prior to 2003. I don't mind which model it I and I'm going through the entire plane. 

Mike

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 6:59 pm Post subject: Difference between mark II and mark III

Is there a way to tell the difference between a Mk II and a

Mk III just by looking? I'm looking at a plane that is

listed as a Mk III. It was originally used as an ultralight

trainer and wasn't N numbered until 2003.  The current owner

knows the history of the plane but because it was an estate

sale records are missing prior to 2003. I don't mind which

model it I and I'm going through the entire plane. 

Mike

 

Kolbers:



There is a great deal of difference between a MKII and a

MKIII:



-MKIII has 6" tail boom and main wing spars.  MKII has 5".



-MKIII airframe completely different and much, much

stronger.



-MKIII has flaps.  MKII doesn't.



-MKIII has unique updated folding elevator control

mechanism. MKII doesn't.



-Much more room in the MKIII.



-MKIII and MKII are not in the same ball park.



Of course, the above comments are my own opinion.



john h

mkIII

Rock House, Oregon

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mike91911

Joined: 03 Jul 2013
Posts: 14
Location: Riverside, RI

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Difference between mark II and mark III

Well this definitely has flaps. Thanks its exactly the type of information I was looking for.  Are the specs for early Mk III's similar to current models? Gross weight, cruise speed, Vne etc?

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:49 am Post subject: Difference between mark II and mark III

On Behalf Of mike91911

   Are the specs for early Mk III's similar to current

models? Gross weight, cruise speed, Vne etc?





 Kolbers:



Specs for MKIII Classic's should be the same throughout the

build years.



You can find info on all Kolb models here:



http://www.kolbaircraft.com/



john h

mkIII

Rock House, Oregon

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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

mike91911

Joined: 03 Jul 2013
Posts: 14
Location: Riverside, RI

Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:45 am Post subject: Re: Difference between mark II and mark III

Thank you everyone for all of the help. Being new to Kolb aircraft any suggestions as to things I should look for or change? (for safety, comfort or aesthetics) It has a 503. I'd like to replace that with a 582 but I'll have to see how the funds are. It has a single center stick and throttle. I'd really like to convert this to dual sticks. It has an ELT, chute, 2 five gallon fuel tanks, sling seats (replace?), brakes and doors. Avionics are basic steam gauges. 

My training will be done in a Challenger II and we have 2 other Kolbs flying in the club so I should have the opportunity for help transitioning into the Kolb. My instructor can also do a tail wheel endorsement. 

Mike

rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:44 am Post subject: Difference between mark II and mark III

If they were done properly you'll find the sling seats are quite comfy and there's no need to replace them. They are nice and light too. Kolbs fly best when they are light. Keep that in mind when you make changes. 



Rick Girard

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 Thank you everyone for all of the help. Being new to Kolb aircraft any suggestions as to things I should look for or change? (for safety, comfort or aesthetics) It has a 503. I'd like to replace that with a 582 but I'll have to see how the funds are. It has a single center stick and throttle. I'd really like to convert this to dual sticks. It has an ELT, chute, 2 five gallon fuel tanks, sling seats (replace?), brakes and doors. Avionics are basic steam gauges.

  My training will be done in a Challenger II and we have 2 other Kolbs flying in the club so I should have the opportunity for help transitioning into the Kolb. My instructor can also do a tail wheel endorsement.

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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:48 am Post subject: Difference between mark II and mark III

I have not read all the responses yet so some of this may be old news and 

some may be conflicting.

I have been flying a MK111C 503 for 200 plus hours from sea level and into 

some mountain country .I have flown it to 7000 ft above sea level with out 

any performance issues . I would agree that stepping up to a 582 would be 

wise.

 The centre stick, like you I was going to change that and the throttle , 

after a couple of flights the need to do that went away . The only reason I 

could think of for changing it now would be if your were doing a lot of 

training and need to be a little more convention .The sling seats  have 

never been a problem. Carry a couple of spare large cable ties with you as I 

found when I first started flying the Kolb some broke. Since they have been 

replaced with new ones no more problem, that was about 6 years ago .

The transition to the Kolb was a non event, before purchasing it { 60 hrs 

TSN } I did 1 flight from an air force base in rough weather with the 

builder. On arrival at my home airport { by trailer } a local high time GA 

pilot who is also a rated ultra light instructor flew the Kolb for about 30 

minutes ,then I went for a check flight with him, after three take off/ 

landings he climbed out and said enjoy . I had just completed about 100hrs 

in a aronca champ so the tail dragger was not new to me  also the 100 hrs 

before that were also tail dragger mixed with some trike time.The Kolb is 

fun to fly, very forgiving and responsive . It will fly onto the ground 

nicely or it will 3 point nicely , I would recommend to fly it on the first 

couple of times then move to three point landings.

You need to make sure that the wheels are touching the grass tops before 

running out of flying speed and that will happen fast once you flare.

Have fun the Kolb is a safe fun machine .



Downunder

MK111c 503



   Regards

               Tony

Larlaeb

Joined: 02 Apr 2013
Posts: 75
Location: League City, Texas United States

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:29 am Post subject: Re: Difference between mark II and mark III

I agree with the statements on the center control stick.  When I first got the plane I was convinced that I would need to move the stick to the center or at least the throttle lever to the left side.  After flying for just a few hours, the stick position seems natural and reaching the throttle across my lap with my left hand is no problem at all.  I've abandoned any plans to move them and I'm convinced that the ease of entry that the current configuration allows in the MkIII classic more than makes up for the control positions.  Just my 2 cents.  



Allan

mike91911

Joined: 03 Jul 2013
Posts: 14
Location: Riverside, RI

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Difference between mark II and mark III

My bigger concern was the throttle location. To me it would be awkward reaching across from the left but I won't change anything until I have some time logged in the plane. Easier entry and exit with the center stick is something I hadn't considered. Thanks. 

Mike

smlplanet(at)msn.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:17 pm Post subject: Difference between mark II and mark III

Like several others I  was ready to install a dual stick when I first started flying. After a few hours I found that the center stick position had a  natural feeling to it.  I did not like the center throttle position at all and designed a dual throttle system. The throttles are located on the out sides and can now be operated from either seat using the right or left hand. When the throttle is pulled all the way back it clears the door openings for easy access. 

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 I agree with the statements on the center control stick.  When I first got the plane I was convinced that I would need to move the stick to the center or at least the throttle lever to the left side.  After flying for just a few hours, the stick position seems natural and reaching the throttle across my lap with my left hand is no problem at all.  I've abandoned any plans to move them and I'm convinced that the ease of entry that the current configuration allows in the MkIII classic more than makes up for the control positions.  Just my 2 cents.  

 Allan

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