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gliderx5
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I just got word that I will be presenting a forum at Airventure on painting your homebuilt with latex paint, Wednesday, at 11:30. I plan to camp with my Titan Tornado in the ultralight area. If any of you are attending Airventure please stop by the forum or the camp site and say hi. I hope to be there from Sunday through Friday, weather permitting.
See you there
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:39 am Post subject: Latex Pain Forum |
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Surely the title of your post is a Freudian slip, is it not?
Rick Girard
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On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 4:31 PM, <gliderx5(at)comcast.net (gliderx5(at)comcast.net)> wrote:
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I just got word that I will be presenting a forum at Airventure on painting your homebuilt with latex paint, Wednesday, at 11:30. I plan to camp with my Titan Tornado in the ultralight area. If any of you are attending Airventure please stop by the forum or the camp site and say hi. I hope to be there from Sunday through Friday, weather permitting.
See you there
Malcolm
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….a thing of beauty, Brother Girard…. my congratulations…
beauford
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Subject: Re: Latex Pain Forum
Surely the title of your post is a Freudian slip, is it not?
Rick Girard
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gliderx5
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:04 pm Post subject: Latex Pain Forum |
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I would like to buy a "T"
Malcolm
From: "Richard Girard" <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Latex Pain Forum
Surely the title of your post is a Freudian slip, is it not?
Rick Girard
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I just got word that I will be presenting a forum at Airventure on painting your homebuilt with latex paint, Wednesday, at 11:30. I plan to camp with my Titan Tornado in the ultralight area. If any of you are attending Airventure please stop by the forum or the camp site and say hi. I hope to be there from Sunday through Friday, weather permitting.
See you there
Malcolm
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http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Latex.htm
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michaelrorth
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:42 pm Post subject: Latex Pain Forum |
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Do you apply the latex pain with a roller?
Michael
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I would like to buy a "T"
Malcolm
From: "Richard Girard" <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 11:38:49 AM
Subject: Re: Latex Pain Forum
Surely the title of your post is a Freudian slip, is it not?
Rick Girard
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I just got word that I will be presenting a forum at Airventure on painting your homebuilt with latex paint, Wednesday, at 11:30. I plan to camp with my Titan Tornado in the ultralight area. If any of you are attending Airventure please stop by the forum or the camp site and say hi. I hope to be there from Sunday through Friday, weather permitting.
See you there
Malcolm
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http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Latex.htm
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Rick Lewis
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Latex Pain Forum |
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Painting my Kolb with latex paint sounds interesting if it will hold up to time and look reasonably good. Can you use latex paint over the silver Polly brush with success? Also can you remove the paint with MEK down to the cloth for repair?
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I recovered my Challenger 11 CWS in 05 and used Flex Bon latex house paint. I sprayed it over the silver polly brush and had no problems. I researched several latex paints before using the Flex Bon being it was developed in Florida and for it's sun resistance. The key is to clear coat it to keep the darker colors from fading also. I ran out of the clear coat on a section of the tail feathers which faded after a couple years. Other than for that the paint still looks great even after all these years and still has it's shine. I am in the process of recovering my Mark 111C and will use the same paint system. Yes you can use the MEK to remove the paint. $30 a gal for the latex plus $80 for the clear coat is a whole lot cheaper than the other paints used and looks as good.
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Painting my Kolb with latex paint sounds interesting if it will hold up to time and look reasonably good. Can you use latex paint over the silver Polly brush with success? Also can you remove the paint with MEK down to the cloth for repair?
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:02 pm Post subject: Latex Pain Forum |
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If you already have reached the Poly Spray stage, you've already added all the weight to the fabric covering that you need, otherwise to save money why not do as Appendix A of the Poly Fiber manual suggests and go with one of the three PolyTone colors that have the silver in them and no Poly Spray is required. You save money and weight. If you're going to do latex paint, research what the successful experimenters have come up with. Latex has UV protection built in and will do the same thing that Poly Spray does.
Using Poly Brush and Poly Spray and then overcoating with Latex is probably the worst of all worlds in terms of covering weight.
As for doing repairs of Latex coated fabrics, good old commercial Goof Off will take the latex off to get down to bare cloth.
Some find it hard to believe how much weight can be added with coatings. My Mk III is 35 to 50 lb. overweight because an auto painter slobbered on so much AeroThane until the fabric weave was completely filled.
Light Kolbs fly better. The closer you can get to 500 lb. empty weight the happier you will be with your airplane.
Rick Girard
PS Is Latex Pain for masochists? Sorry, couldn't help myself
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Dnul
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How would you use cheap house paint to do a small graphic detail on top of Polytone, on fabric, in order avoid buying some quarts of Polytone? You can get small sample cans of latex mixed colors at Lowes which are intended for people to use in choosing colors.
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George Alexander
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| Dnul wrote: | | How would you use cheap house paint to do a small graphic detail on top of Polytone, on fabric, in order avoid buying some quarts of Polytone? You can get small sample cans of latex mixed colors at Lowes which are intended for people to use in choosing colors. |
Or develop your graphic and find a sign outfit that does vinyl signs/car wraps. Got the attached "nose art", one for each side (flipped horizontally) for about $30-$35. The oval is about 10" across. Has worn like iron. Colors have not faded (even in FL sun).
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gliderx5
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| Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:17 pm Post subject: Latex Pain Forum |
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I painted latex over existing paint on some areas on my Titan Tornado. Some of it had been painted before I bought it, and I'm guessing it was Polytone. I washed the airplane with detergent and TSP to remove dirt and wax. Then just sprayed the thinned latex. The new paint had adhered great. There are a few spots where the base paint let loose of the fabric, but the latex has stayed stuck. If you are thinking of a small logo I would think you could mask and spray with a touch up gun, or just brush it on.
Malcolm
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How would you use cheap house paint to do a small graphic detail on top of Polytone, on fabric, in order avoid buying some quarts of Polytone? You can get small sample cans of latex mixed colors at Lowes which are intended for people to use in choosing colors.
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racerjerry
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:28 am Post subject: Re: Latex Pain Forum |
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| rickofudall wrote: | | If you already have reached the Poly Spray stage, you've already added all the weight to the fabric covering that you need, otherwise to save money why not do as Appendix A of the Poly Fiber manual suggests and go with one of the three PolyTone colors that have the silver in them and no Poly Spray is required. You save money and weight. |
Rick, I have an older version of the Poly-Fiber Manual that makes no mention of three Poly Fiber colors with silver added. Could you elaborate? Thank you.
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tombaisley
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:09 pm Post subject: Re: Latex Pain Forum |
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I have a Kolb Firestar with a Latex paintjob. It is starting to show cracks in the paint, any suggestions on a fix?
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rickofudall
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Per Appendix A: Ultralight & Very Light Aircraft. PolyTone 318M, Piper Trainer Blue, 220M Nevada Silver and 222M Rancho Silver are all formulated with the same amount of aluminum pigment in them as Poly Spray and will give full UV protection.
Rick
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> If you already have reached the Poly Spray stage, you've already added all the weight to the fabric covering that you need, otherwise to save money why not do as Appendix A of the Poly Fiber manual suggests and go with one of the three PolyTone colors that have the silver in them and no Poly Spray is required. You save money and weight.
Rick, I have an older version of the Poly-Fiber Manual that makes no mention of three Poly Fiber colors with silver added. Could you elaborate? Thank you.
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Tom
I'm afraid that I don't have any bright ideas about fixing cracking paint. Did you do the paint job? Do you know what brand of paint, how it was applied, or how old it is?
Malcolm
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I have a Kolb Firestar with a Latex paintjob. It is starting to show cracks in the paint, any suggestions on a fix?
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I have no advise as to what may be needed to cure your problem. I know when I was looking at painting my plane with latex several years ago and laughed at, I found that several brands would crack. I did several test panels with different brands of latex exposing them to the sun for a period of time. after a period of time I removed them for the frames that simulated being stretched on a planes surface and allowed to be whipped around by the winds. Most of them cracked to some degree except for a couple. I did this to see if the paint that had been used on banners used to stretched across the roads and then rolled up and used the next year. I am happy to say it has held up great since 04...just clear coat it.
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Tom
I'm afraid that I don't have any bright ideas about fixing cracking paint. Did you do the paint job? Do you know what brand of paint, how it was applied, or how old it is?
Malcolm
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I have a Kolb Firestar with a Latex paintjob. It is starting to show cracks in the paint, any suggestions on a fix?
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My Firestar was recovered using Stewarts, and painted using Latex, 3 or 4 owners ago in the late 90's I believe, I'm wishing it was done in Poly Fiber
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