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william(at)gbta.net
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:46 am Post subject: alodine

A while back I recall a thread about alodine and  where to get it.  This particular post I remember was about a powder  form.  I've searched aircraft spruce and cannot find a powder form of  alodine.  Can anybody tell me where I might find it?  Also, Ive never  done the alodine before.  What prep is required of the parts before using  the alodine?

  

 Thanks

 Bill

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Ed Godfrey

Joined: 05 May 2009
Posts: 47

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:17 am Post subject: alodine

Bill,

             Here is a snippet of a message from Matronics           RV10 list that I had a copy of.

           

           Ed Godfrey

             40717

               

                 

                 

                Look up PreKote.

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Ed Godfrey

Joined: 05 May 2009
Posts: 47

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:17 am Post subject: alodine

Bill,

             Here is a snippet of a message from RV10 list           that I had a copy of.

           

           Ed Godfrey

             40717

               

                 

                 

                Look up PreKote.

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flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:24 am Post subject: alodine

You can use the search engines to find       a supplier near you.  You might also get a local plating shop to       get the powder for you.  The liquid alodine is not very       concentrated.  As for prep, all it needs to be is squeaky clean.

       Linn

       

       On 2/7/2013 11:45 AM, Billy Britton wrote:

     

     [quote]                            A while back I recall a thread           about alodine and where to get it.  This particular post I           remember was about a powder form.  I've searched aircraft           spruce and cannot find a powder form of alodine.  Can anybody           tell me where I might find it?  Also, Ive never done the           alodine before.  What prep is required of the parts before           using the alodine?

        

       Thanks

       Bill

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rleffler

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 680

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:14 am Post subject: alodine

I may have some powder left over, but I'll have to check on the quantity. 



Sent from my iPhone



On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:45 AM, "Billy Britton" <william(at)gbta.net (william(at)gbta.net)> wrote:

       A while back I recall a thread about alodine and  where to get it.  This particular post I remember was about a powder  form.  I've searched aircraft spruce and cannot find a powder form of  alodine.  Can anybody tell me where I might find it?  Also, Ive never  done the alodine before.  What prep is required of the parts before using  the alodine?

  

 Thanks

 Bill

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william(at)gbta.net
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:39 am Post subject: alodine

If anybody has any left over I'd be willing to buy  it from you.  I've been on the 'net for the last two hours looking for  suppliers and made several calls and nobody seems to handle it anymore.   Ive called PPG - Eldorado Chemical and they dont sell to individuals so I was  put into contact with Graco Supply who is a retailer for PPG.  They dont  have it in stock so theyre getting me info for a bid but they dont kinow minumum  purchase requirements.  Doesn't sound like its gonna pan out.

  

 If anybody has any left I can purchase you can  leave a message on here or preferably email me at billbritton73(at)yahoo.com (billbritton73(at)yahoo.com).

  

 Thanks

 Bill

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jeff(at)westcottpress.com
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:08 pm Post subject: alodine

why don't you skip the alodine and use Prekote?



Jeff Carpenter

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On Feb 7, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Billy Britton wrote:

[quote]     If anybody has any left over I'd be willing to buy  it from you.  I've been on the 'net for the last two hours looking for  suppliers and made several calls and nobody seems to handle it anymore.   Ive called PPG - Eldorado Chemical and they dont sell to individuals so I was  put into contact with Graco Supply who is a retailer for PPG.  They dont  have it in stock so theyre getting me info for a bid but they dont kinow minumum  purchase requirements.  Doesn't sound like its gonna pan out.

  

 If anybody has any left I can purchase you can  leave a message on here or preferably email me at billbritton73(at)yahoo.com (billbritton73(at)yahoo.com).

  

 Thanks

 Bill

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rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:43 pm Post subject: alodine

Bill,

I keep the alodine solution in a 20 litre container and top up the crystal concentration when I notice the dip time is starting to get longer to achieve the same level of coating.

I always prepare the parts by scrubbing them with a maroon 3M Scotchbrite pad in a solution of 'Deoxidine' (a Henkel product), just scrub enough to get the shine off the aluminium, then fresh water rinse and air dry before dipping in the alodine solution.

I use a storage water heater overflow tray, which is about 1.5" deep & about 4' in diameter to dip the large parts. The advantage of this tray is that it has a plastic ball valve plumbed into the tray and allows me to easily decant the solution back into the storage container for reuse.  I use black plastic irrigation fittings and pipe which attach to the ball valve. Can send you pictures.

For longer, slender parts, I've made up a long bath using 6" diameter PVC sewer pipe with caps each end and another plastic ball valve fitted as described above.

I've cut the top 2" off the entire length of the pipe to allow you to sit the pipe horizontally on an old pallet. Great for long parts and gives a solution depth of about 4".

Please ensure that you read the Material Safety Data Sheet for the alodine more so, as its toxic stuff.

I've seen guys also use wheelie bins as dip baths and lowering parts in with tie wire and suspending them from some dowel placed across the bin opening.  Doing this means you'll need a lot of solution and the bin is very heavy to move.  I get away with 20 litres, which is stored when not required. 

Yell out if you need any more info. Google the Henkel site for technical advice.



Warm regards from Oz.



Patrick



Adelaide, South Australia



On 08/02/2013, at 3:15 AM, "Billy Britton" <william(at)gbta.net (william(at)gbta.net)> wrote:

[quote]       A while back I recall a thread about alodine and  where to get it.  This particular post I remember was about a powder  form.  I've searched aircraft spruce and cannot find a powder form of  alodine.  Can anybody tell me where I might find it?  Also, Ive never  done the alodine before.  What prep is required of the parts before using  the alodine?

  

 Thanks

 Bill

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tganster

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Posts: 28

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:50 pm Post subject: alodine

Bill,

   You can find it at Pegasus racing supply in New Berlin, WI. They are  on the net. I have half a container full left, The stuff is very  concentrated.

  

 Tom Ganster CLI  (Getting ready for paint)

    

  From: Billy Britton (william(at)gbta.net) 

 Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 10:45 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com) 

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  A while back I recall a thread about alodine and  where to get it.  This particular post I remember was about a powder  form.  I've searched aircraft spruce and cannot find a powder form of  alodine.  Can anybody tell me where I might find it?  Also, Ive never  done the alodine before.  What prep is required of the parts before using  the alodine?

  

 Thanks

 Bill

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palark

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Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:27 am Post subject: Re: alodine

Patrick,

I am very interested in where you source your alodine and deoxidine. I am in Loxton SA.



Roger



palark(at)tpg.com.au



[quote="rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com"]Bill,

I keep the alodine solution in a 20 litre container and top up the crystal concentration when I notice the dip time is starting to get longer to achieve the same level of coating.

I always prepare the parts by scrubbing them with a maroon 3M Scotchbrite pad in a solution of 'Deoxidine' (a Henkel product), just scrub enough to get the shine off the aluminium, then fresh water rinse and air dry before dipping in the alodine solution.

I use a storage water heater overflow tray, which is about 1.5" deep & about 4' in diameter to dip the large parts. The advantage of this tray is that it has a plastic ball valve plumbed into the tray and allows me to easily decant the solution back into the storage container for reuse.  I use black plastic irrigation fittings and pipe which attach to the ball valve. Can send you pictures.

For longer, slender parts, I've made up a long bath using 6" diameter PVC sewer pipe with caps each end and another plastic ball valve fitted as described above.

I've cut the top 2" off the entire length of the pipe to allow you to sit the pipe horizontally on an old pallet. Great for long parts and gives a solution depth of about 4".

Please ensure that you read the Material Safety Data Sheet for the alodine more so, as its toxic stuff.

I've seen guys also use wheelie bins as dip baths and lowering parts in with tie wire and suspending them from some dowel placed across the bin opening.  Doing this means you'll need a lot of solution and the bin is very heavy to move.  I get away with 20 litres, which is stored when not required. 

Yell out if you need any more info. Google the Henkel site for technical advice.



Warm regards from Oz.



Patrick



Adelaide, South Australia



On 08/02/2013, at 3:15 AM, "Billy Britton" <william> wrote:

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		         A while back I recall a thread about alodine and  where to get it.  This particular post I remember was about a powder  form.  I've searched aircraft spruce and cannot find a powder form of  alodine.  Can anybody tell me where I might find it?  Also, Ive never  done the alodine before.  What prep is required of the parts before using  the alodine?

  

 Thanks

 Bill

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rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:17 am Post subject: alodine

I initially sourced mine through John Johanson, however he's no longer in business.

Try Henkell and I think there agent is at Lonsdale here in Adelaide.  Tell them you'd prefer the crystals to mix up yourself.

They also sell the Deoxidine phosphoric acid pre-etch.

You should purchase a box of 3M maroon scouring pads from Weber Abrasives here in Adelaide.

If you need any further information or ad advice, please call me (Mob: 0418 850 156).

Warm regards

Patrick

On 13/07/2013, at 18:57, "palark" <palark(at)tpg.com.au> wrote:

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 Patrick,

 I am very interested in where you source your alodine and deoxidine. I am in Loxton SA.

 Roger

 palark(at)tpg.com.au

 [quote="rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com"]Bill,

 I keep the alodine solution in a 20 litre container and top up the crystal concentration when I notice the dip time is starting to get longer to achieve the same level of coating.

 I always prepare the parts by scrubbing them with a maroon 3M Scotchbrite pad in a solution of 'Deoxidine' (a Henkel product), just scrub enough to get the shine off the aluminium, then fresh water rinse and air dry before dipping in the alodine solution.

 I use a storage water heater overflow tray, which is about 1.5" deep & about 4' in diameter to dip the large parts. The advantage of this tray is that it has a plastic ball valve plumbed into the tray and allows me to easily decant the solution back into the storage container for reuse.  I use black plastic irrigation fittings and pipe which attach to the ball valve. Can send you pictures.

 For longer, slender parts, I've made up a long bath using 6" diameter PVC sewer pipe with caps each end and another plastic ball valve fitted as described above.

 I've cut the top 2" off the entire length of the pipe to allow you to sit the pipe horizontally on an old pallet. Great for long parts and gives a solution depth of about 4".

 Please ensure that you read the Material Safety Data Sheet for the alodine more so, as its toxic stuff.

 I've seen guys also use wheelie bins as dip baths and lowering parts in with tie wire and suspending them from some dowel placed across the bin opening.  Doing this means you'll need a lot of solution and the bin is very heavy to move.  I get away with 20 litres, which is stored when not required. 

 Yell out if you need any more info. Google the Henkel site for technical advice.

 Warm regards from Oz.

 Patrick

 Adelaide, South Australia

 On 08/02/2013, at 3:15 AM, "Billy Britton"  wrote:

>       A while back I recall a thread about alodine and  where to get it.  This particular post I remember was about a powder  form.  I've searched aircraft spruce and cannot find a powder form of  alodine.  Can anybody tell me where I might find it?  Also, Ive never  done the alodine before.  What prep is required of the parts before using  the alodine?

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> Thanks

> Bill

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