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Albert Gardner

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 455
Location: Yuma, AZ

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:51 am Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

I installed a cigarette lighter outlet (now called courtesy outlet in my car

owners manual) but all we use it for is       to plug in an adapter with USB

outlets in it. I'm thinking of replacing it with some USB ports mounted on

the panel. I haven't found a device that mounts directly to the panel like

the cig lighter outlet did but did find a 4 USB port adapter. Has anyone

else run across what I'm looking for? I'm thinking 4 ports because now I

plug in the Stratus, iPad, cell phone or music player. Here is a pic of the

4 port I found on the internet.



Albert Gardner

N991RV

Yuma, AZ 



BTW, landed at Leadville (KLXV) 9927', DA 12,600' yesterday. It as well as

Aspen were interesting landings. Aspen especially. Lightly loaded, 1/3 fuel,

just me and about 77 temp as I recall, plane preformed well. Wonder how it

would have been a gross?

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:07 pm Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

I have 2 subpanel mounted lighter outlets.  I use 1 of them with a charger,

a Dual Scosche brand charger, to run two panel mount USB jacks (you

can get those from SteinAir), for charging the ipad and phone.



My advice is....



A)  Don't buy that 4-port 1.



B) Buy something name brand.  You don't want some cheap chinese knockoff

     burning up your plane...I've bought a bunch of chinese USB chargers and

     had high failure rates.  So I stick with Scosche brand. They've 

never went

     bad on me at least.



C) Buy chargers specifically that are capable of 2.1A charging, so that you

     can charge an iPad.  Many are 500mA, 700mA, or 1A.  The 1A will

     do a phone fine, but not an iPad.  I have a great Scosche that does 1A

     and 2.1A.  I just bought (before OSH) a new mini model scosche that

     does dual 2.1A.



D) Find a way to make the connection snug so the thing doesn't slip

     out easily...especially if you buy a larger one.  The new Mini ones

     I bought are going to go into the plane, since they're tiny and

     light and low profile.



But beyond that, yeah, USB charging is great.  If you really need 4

ports, I'd say do 2 lighter outlets.....because you'll never find a

good 4-port charger that can do 2.1A...at least not yet this year.



I also have 1A chargers in the rear seat, one for each passenger.

The lighter outlets are under the armwrests.  They are part of the

Belkin bluetooth adapters that the kids use.  That gives us

4 USB ports in the plane to charge with, and I still have the

ability to add 2 more up front if I need, since I have an available

lighter outlet.



Tim

On 7/12/2013 2:50 PM, Albert Gardner wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I installed a cigarette lighter outlet (now called courtesy outlet in my car

 owners manual) but all we use it for is       to plug in an adapter with USB

 outlets in it. I'm thinking of replacing it with some USB ports mounted on

 the panel. I haven't found a device that mounts directly to the panel like

 the cig lighter outlet did but did find a 4 USB port adapter. Has anyone

 else run across what I'm looking for? I'm thinking 4 ports because now I

 plug in the Stratus, iPad, cell phone or music player. Here is a pic of the

 4 port I found on the internet.



 Albert Gardner

 N991RV

 Yuma, AZ



 BTW, landed at Leadville (KLXV) 9927', DA 12,600' yesterday. It as well as

 Aspen were interesting landings. Aspen especially. Lightly loaded, 1/3 fuel,

 just me and about 77 temp as I recall, plane preformed well. Wonder how it

 would have been a gross?

flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:16 pm Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

There are lots of USB panel mount       adapters out there (Google or Bing usb panel mount) but you still       need to drop the 12V down to the nominal 5V.  Your 4-port adapter       is a really good solution ..... and it's portable.

       Linn

       On 7/12/2013 3:50 PM, Albert Gardner wrote:

     

     [quote]        	  Quote: 	
		  I installed a cigarette lighter outlet (now called courtesy outlet in my car

owners manual) but all we use it for is       to plug in an adapter with USB

outlets in it. I'm thinking of replacing it with some USB ports mounted on

the panel. I haven't found a device that mounts directly to the panel like

the cig lighter outlet did but did find a 4 USB port adapter. Has anyone

else run across what I'm looking for? I'm thinking 4 ports because now I

plug in the Stratus, iPad, cell phone or music player. Here is a pic of the

4 port I found on the internet.



Albert Gardner

N991RV

Yuma, AZ 



BTW, landed at Leadville (KLXV) 9927', DA 12,600' yesterday. It as well as

Aspen were interesting landings. Aspen especially. Lightly loaded, 1/3 fuel,

just me and about 77 temp as I recall, plane preformed well. Wonder how it

would have been a gross?



	
       

              

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sean(at)braunandco.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:29 pm Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

Aspen topic,

I did Aspen a couple weeks ago in my RV10 at 2600 lbs and 10700 DA.  It 

performed well.  I did the VFR departure of 360 degree heading at threshold 

for at least two miles then turned left early per tower''s request and 

cleared the mountains to the SE.  I always underestimate the airplane , 

which is a good thing I guess.  Short takeoff in calm winds but helps with a 

2% slope down!



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robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
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Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:33 pm Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

I agree with Tim on all comments. I have however been very pleased with these adapters I picked up  on eBay. I think I have purchased about 15 so far. They are ultra-low profile and are very snug in the receptacle. They charge iPhone &iPads. NOTE" some of these two socket chargers are "sided" in that one side will charge 2.1A and the other will only charge 1A.



http://www.ebay.com/itm/281027829654?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649



I also liked my 12V Honda outlet with a spring loaded square cover so much I ordered them from the dealership and stuck them in a number of places in the -10 including the back bulkhead in case I had some device I wanted charging back there. I have yet to use that plug but the others have worked out as planned. Sorry no photos.



Robin



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jeff(at)westcottpress.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:36 pm Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

Stein is now making panel mount usb outlets... I believe mine are somewhere here in this very expensive box of goodies.



Jeff Carpeter

40304

On Jul 12, 2013, at 12:50 PM, Albert Gardner wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   I installed a cigarette lighter outlet (now called courtesy outlet in my car

 owners manual) but all we use it for is       to plug in an adapter with USB

 outlets in it. I'm thinking of replacing it with some USB ports mounted on

 the panel. I haven't found a device that mounts directly to the panel like

 the cig lighter outlet did but did find a 4 USB port adapter. Has anyone

 else run across what I'm looking for? I'm thinking 4 ports because now I

 plug in the Stratus, iPad, cell phone or music player. Here is a pic of the

 4 port I found on the internet.

 

 Albert Gardner

 N991RV

 Yuma, AZ 

 

 BTW, landed at Leadville (KLXV) 9927', DA 12,600' yesterday. It as well as

 Aspen were interesting landings. Aspen especially. Lightly loaded, 1/3 fuel,

 just me and about 77 temp as I recall, plane preformed well. Wonder how it

 would have been a gross?

 

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jeff(at)westcottpress.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:40 pm Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

Here are a couple of pics

On Jul 12, 2013, at 12:50 PM, Albert Gardner wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   I installed a cigarette lighter outlet (now called courtesy outlet in my car

 owners manual) but all we use it for is       to plug in an adapter with USB

 outlets in it. I'm thinking of replacing it with some USB ports mounted on

 the panel. I haven't found a device that mounts directly to the panel like

 the cig lighter outlet did but did find a 4 USB port adapter. Has anyone

 else run across what I'm looking for? I'm thinking 4 ports because now I

 plug in the Stratus, iPad, cell phone or music player. Here is a pic of the

 4 port I found on the internet.

 

 Albert Gardner

 N991RV

 Yuma, AZ 

 

 BTW, landed at Leadville (KLXV) 9927', DA 12,600' yesterday. It as well as

 Aspen were interesting landings. Aspen especially. Lightly loaded, 1/3 fuel,

 just me and about 77 temp as I recall, plane preformed well. Wonder how it

 would have been a gross?

 

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wgreenley

Joined: 09 Jan 2010
Posts: 100
Location: Dowagiac, MI

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:55 pm Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

His site describes this as 1.5A, which I do not think is enough to charge an

iPad.



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rv10flyer(at)live.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:02 pm Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

with a 2a fuse, as seen in the picture, I guarantee it would not work on an 

Ipad.



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stein(at)steinair.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:11 pm Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

They are 2A units, but experience and lots of testing has shown us that the

real world usable output of these things is closer to 1.6-1.8 instead of 2.1

when plugged into a running iPad.  That means that if you have a regular

iPad up and running something like Foreflight along with Bluetooth, gps and

music going then this will just keep a float on it and not charge

aggressively...but if you shut off the intensive apps or it's resting then

it charges it just fine. It'll also charge an iPad mini in all conditions

(apps running or not).  We spent a whole lot of time testing these out on

the bench and in the planes and I wouldn't sell something based on just

magazine info...you can find plenty of those out there that in fact don't

perform in the real world as advertised.  Anyway, it's the best that can

easily be done in a reasonable price point and will cover a large majority

of what it's intended to do; so as usual I'd rather under promise and over

deliver instead of the other way around.



Just my 2 cents as usual!



Cheers,



Stein Bruch

President - SteinAir, Inc.

651-460-6955





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stein(at)steinair.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:14 pm Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

Care to place a friendly bet on that?!        



Cheers,



Stein Bruch

President - SteinAir, Inc.

651-460-6955



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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:40 pm Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

Remember, that's 2A at 12V, which is 24W. The output needs to be close to 2.1A at 5V, which is 10.5W. Even with heat loss, that should work fine. 



Do not archive. 



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

www.mavericklsa.com

C: 352-427-0285

O: 352-465-4545

F: 815-377-3694



Sent from my iPhone



On Jul 12, 2013, at 7:01 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com> wrote:



[quote] 

 

 with a 2a fuse, as seen in the picture, I guarantee it would not work on an Ipad.

 

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wgreenley

Joined: 09 Jan 2010
Posts: 100
Location: Dowagiac, MI

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:04 pm Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

Thanks, good reminder to do the math. See you at Oshkosh.

Bill Greenley



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wwc4(at)njit.edu
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:16 pm Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

rv10flyer(at)live.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:37 pm Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

If you say it works I would never bet against that based on your history! My 

history has never seen my ipad work on a outlet with a 2a fuse however. You 

have always been different Stein. So no! I wont bet against you and your 

word..ever. a losing proposal!

Thanks for trying however!! 

Pascal



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billz

Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Posts: 26
Location: Clinton, New York

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: USB Charger Adapter

I'm using a unit from Blue Sea.



http://www.bluesea.com/products/1016/Dual_USB_Charger_Socket

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:39 pm Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

We usually buy a stock of stuff from cellphoneshop.net because we move around so much between planes that we tend to lose. I have ended up buying a couple of good ones and not losing them for a period of time. I really like the ones that sit almost flush with the face of the lighter plug. 



Do not archive. 



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

www.mavericklsa.com

C: 352-427-0285

O: 352-465-4545

F: 815-377-3694



Sent from my iPhone



On Jul 12, 2013, at 10:15 PM, "billz" <billz(at)roadrunner.com> wrote:



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 I'm using a unit from Blue Sea.

 

 http://www.bluesea.com/products/1016/Dual_USB_Charger_Socket

 

 

 

 

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rv10rob(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:06 pm Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

Nice thing about using a panel-mounted cigarette lighter and a USB adapter, rather than a panel-mounted USB adapter, is if the USB part breaks, you just pop it out and put another one in.  



 -Rob



On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)>

  



 If you say it works I would never bet against that based on your history! My history has never seen my ipad work on a outlet with a 2a fuse however. You have always been different Stein. So no! I wont bet against you and your word..ever. a losing proposal!

  Thanks for trying however!! 

 Pascal

 

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flysrv10(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:41 am Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

Albert,



Here is a product on Amazon that I have installed in my plane.  It has 2 USBs and it is a very clean installation.  It does gradually charge the ipad in flight with the display set on bright.



http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0082CXEI8/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

On Jul 12, 2013, at 3:50 PM, Albert Gardner <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   I installed a cigarette lighter outlet (now called courtesy outlet in my car

 owners manual) but all we use it for is       to plug in an adapter with USB

 outlets in it. I'm thinking of replacing it with some USB ports mounted on

 the panel. I haven't found a device that mounts directly to the panel like

 the cig lighter outlet did but did find a 4 USB port adapter. Has anyone

 else run across what I'm looking for? I'm thinking 4 ports because now I

 plug in the Stratus, iPad, cell phone or music player. Here is a pic of the

 4 port I found on the internet.

 

 Albert Gardner

 N991RV

 Yuma, AZ 

 

 BTW, landed at Leadville (KLXV) 9927', DA 12,600' yesterday. It as well as

 Aspen were interesting landings. Aspen especially. Lightly loaded, 1/3 fuel,

 just me and about 77 temp as I recall, plane preformed well. Wonder how it

 would have been a gross?

 

 <USB Car Charger.jpg>

Albert Gardner

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 455
Location: Yuma, AZ

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:38 am Post subject: USB Charger Adapter

Rob: Do you know if both outlets are 2.1 amp or just one of them like many I

see. The description says "Max. Output Current: 2.1A" so I guess that means

both the iPad and the Stratus can't be charging at the same time. But I like

this idea and Monday I'm calling Stein concerning his offering as well.

Maybe install 1 or 2 of his and keep my cigarette lighter for an adaptor if

needed.

Albert Gardner

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