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rowlandcarson(at)gmail.co
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Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:09 pm Post subject: andair gascolator query

I've got an Andair GAS375-M gascolator that I plan to fit in the same compartment as the electric fuel pump. Obviously it is desirable to have it mounted with the bottom near the bottom skin of the fuselage so that the drain can be easily activated. However, it's necessary also to have room to remove the bowl. That means cutting an access hole in the bottom skin. Has anyone already got a LAA mod number that includes that sort of thing?



I suppose (plan B) it would also be possible to mount the gascolator sufficiently high that the bowl could be removed from inside the aircraft, but that would mean the drain would be a long way from the fuselage floor and so not easy to operate from outside. Maybe it could also be operated from inside if the sample cup is small enough?



Any thoughts?



in friendship



Rowland



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rparigoris

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Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:43 pm Post subject: andair gascolator query

Hi Rowland 

 	In USA, not LAA approved but here is what I did with my two 375s on my monowheel with 914: 

 	http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=28612 

 	Drain and service from outside the aeroplane. 

 	NOTE: When fooling with my fuel system on the bench, it is a really bad thing to have a leak in either the drain or bowl O ring of the 375. If you are having a hard time putting the bowl back on, install a new O ring as the old one probably changed dimension (keep some on hand). Another caution, when unscrewing the filter, do not turn from the side opposite where the threads are, it can damage the filter. I inspected my filter inside, and low and behold there was build crud from Andair stuck just about holding onto the adhesive they used during assembly just waiting to get to my carbs. Andair replaced free of charge, good idea to have a very good look inside. 

 	Ron Parigoris 

 	  

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stranfaer(at)btinternet.c
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:00 am Post subject: andair gascolator query

Rowland

 

Speak to Graham Singleton he has a mod and plans for how to do this, I am also in the process of doing with the addition of putting in aluminium lines to the bulkhead .

 

rgds

David

The other one

 

Sent to you from David Joyce

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   From: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com>

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 Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013, 22:09

 Subject: andair gascolator query

  

 

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I've got an Andair GAS375-M gascolator that I plan to fit in the same compartment as the electric fuel pump. Obviously it is desirable to have it mounted with the bottom near the bottom skin of the fuselage so that the drain can be easily activated. However, it's necessary also to have room to remove the bowl. That  means cutting an access hole in the bottom skin. Has anyone already got a LAA mod number that includes that sort of thing?



I suppose (plan B) it would also be possible to mount the gascolator sufficiently high that the bowl could be removed from inside the aircraft, but that would mean the drain would be a long way from the fuselage floor and so not easy to operate from outside. Maybe it could also be operated from inside if the sample cup is small enough?



Any thoughts?



in friendship



Rowland



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mau11(at)free.fr
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:17 am Post subject: andair gascolator query

On 22/07/2013 10:59, DAVID JOYCE wrote:

     

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         Rowland

          

         Speak to Graham Singleton he has a mod and plans for how to           do this, I am also in the process of doing with the addition           of putting in aluminium lines to the bulkhead .

          

         rgds

         David

         The other one

          

         Sent to you from David                 Joyce

                 www.eastmidsspas.com

               

         

         

                                   From: Rowland                 Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com> (rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com)

                 To:                 Europa e-mail list list                 <europa-list(at)matronics.com> (europa-list(at)matronics.com) 

                 Sent:                 Sunday, 21 July 2013, 22:09

                 Subject:                 andair gascolator query

                

             

               --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com (rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com)>

               

               I've got an Andair GAS375-M gascolator that I plan to fit               in the same compartment as the electric fuel pump.               Obviously it is desirable to have it mounted with the               bottom near the bottom skin of the fuselage so that the               drain can be easily activated. However, it's necessary               also to have room to remove the bowl. That means cutting               an access hole in the bottom skin. Has anyone already got               a LAA mod number that includes that sort of thing?

               

               I suppose (plan B) it would also be possible to mount the               gascolator sufficiently high that the bowl could be               removed from inside the aircraft, but that would mean the               drain would be a long way from the fuselage floor and so               not easy to operate from outside. Maybe it could also be               operated from inside if the sample cup is small enough?

               

               Any thoughts?

               

               in friendship

               

               Rowland

               

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     Hi David I am interested to install aluminium fuel circuit in my     monowheel.

     

     Where do you buy components, tube and connectors ?

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mau11(at)free.fr
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:21 am Post subject: andair gascolator query

On 22/07/2013 10:59, DAVID JOYCE wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                  

         Rowland

          

         Speak to Graham Singleton he has a mod and plans for how to           do this, I am also in the process of doing with the addition           of putting in aluminium lines to the bulkhead .

          

         rgds

         David

         The other one

          

         Sent to you from David                 Joyce

                 www.eastmidsspas.com

               

         

         

                                   From: Rowland                 Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com> (rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com)

                 To:                 Europa e-mail list list                 <europa-list(at)matronics.com> (europa-list(at)matronics.com) 

                 Sent:                 Sunday, 21 July 2013, 22:09

                 Subject:                 andair gascolator query

                

             

               --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com (rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com)>

               

               I've got an Andair GAS375-M gascolator that I plan to fit               in the same compartment as the electric fuel pump.               Obviously it is desirable to have it mounted with the               bottom near the bottom skin of the fuselage so that the               drain can be easily activated. However, it's necessary               also to have room to remove the bowl. That means cutting               an access hole in the bottom skin. Has anyone already got               a LAA mod number that includes that sort of thing?

               

               I suppose (plan B) it would also be possible to mount the               gascolator sufficiently high that the bowl could be               removed from inside the aircraft, but that would mean the               drain would be a long way from the fuselage floor and so               not easy to operate from outside. Maybe it could also be               operated from inside if the sample cup is small enough?

               

               Any thoughts?

               

               in friendship

               

               Rowland

               

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     Hi David my message is started too quick§

     

     For the aluminium tube it is necessary annealed       aluminum tube. To fold the tube easily.

       

       Many Thanks

       Michel AUVRAY

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mau11(at)free.fr
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:22 am Post subject: andair gascolator query

On 22/07/2013 10:59, DAVID JOYCE wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                  

         Rowland

          

         Speak to Graham Singleton he has a mod and plans for how to           do this, I am also in the process of doing with the addition           of putting in aluminium lines to the bulkhead .

          

         rgds

         David

         The other one

          

         Sent to you from David                 Joyce

                 www.eastmidsspas.com

               

         

         

                                   From: Rowland                 Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com> (rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com)

                 To:                 Europa e-mail list list                 <europa-list(at)matronics.com> (europa-list(at)matronics.com) 

                 Sent:                 Sunday, 21 July 2013, 22:09

                 Subject:                 andair gascolator query

                

             

               --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com (rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com)>

               

               I've got an Andair GAS375-M gascolator that I plan to fit               in the same compartment as the electric fuel pump.               Obviously it is desirable to have it mounted with the               bottom near the bottom skin of the fuselage so that the               drain can be easily activated. However, it's necessary               also to have room to remove the bowl. That means cutting               an access hole in the bottom skin. Has anyone already got               a LAA mod number that includes that sort of thing?

               

               I suppose (plan B) it would also be possible to mount the               gascolator sufficiently high that the bowl could be               removed from inside the aircraft, but that would mean the               drain would be a long way from the fuselage floor and so               not easy to operate from outside. Maybe it could also be               operated from inside if the sample cup is small enough?

               

               Any thoughts?

               

               in friendship

               

               Rowland

               

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     Hi David, my message is started too quick!

     

     For the tube it is necessary annealed aluminum     tube. To fold the tube easily.

       

       Many Thanks

       Michel AUVRAY

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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:51 am Post subject: andair gascolator query

Rowland

You could try Mod number 10823, issue 2, which is Colin Smallwood's installation. (tri gear)

There are a lot of Europas with similar mods but none really identical, depends where you start from,

ideally with the cockpit module on the bench. 

Use plan A, cut a D shaped biscuit from the bottom, add a hinge and one of the clips used for the cowling access panels. I cut the biscuits out with a Stanley knife or a hacksaw blade ground thin.

Then flox in the edges.



Graham



      From: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com>

 To: Europa e-mail list list <europa-list(at)matronics.com> 

 Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013, 22:09

 Subject: andair gascolator query

  

 

--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com (rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com)>



I've got an Andair GAS375-M gascolator that I plan to fit in the same compartment as the electric fuel pump. Obviously it is desirable to have it mounted with the bottom near the bottom skin of the fuselage so that the drain can be easily activated. However, it's necessary also to have room to remove the bowl. That means cutting an access hole in the bottom skin. Has anyone already got a LAA mod number that includes that sort of thing?



I  suppose (plan B) it would also be possible to mount the gascolator sufficiently high that the bowl could be removed from inside the aircraft, but that would mean the drain would be a long way from the fuselage floor and so not easy to operate from outside. Maybe it could also be operated from inside if the sample cup is small enough?



Any thoughts?



in friendship



Rowland



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richard collings

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Posts: 73
Location: warwickshire england

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:09 am Post subject: andair gascolator query

Rowland

The mod I sent you incorporates a forward bulkhead and a removable panel 

where the Mono wheel would normally be. I mounted the gascolator about 200mm 

forward of the fuel selector on the inside of the now disused mono wheel bay 

low down so the its drain could be accessed easily  and assumed I would 

remove the outer floor panel to service the gascolator. I mounted the 

electric fuel pump on the forward bulk head and piped the output up and out 

of the top of the centre section under the instrument module and across to 

the far side of the starboard  foot well top corner.



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rowlandcarson(at)gmail.co
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:31 am Post subject: andair gascolator query

On 22 Jul 2013, at 12:09, richard wrote:



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 Rowland

 The mod I sent you incorporates a forward bulkhead and a removable panel where the Mono wheel would normally be


	


Richard - thanks, but the monowheel is occupying the space it normally occupies in my machine! I think Graham Singleton's advice about cutting an access panel is probably easiest to follow. It seems there is no technical issue with cutting a hole in the bottom of the aeroplane .... but no doubt one will have to get a "letter of no technical objection" from whoever is empowered to sign such things now at Europa.



Thanks for all the suggestions.



in friendship



Rowland



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budyerly(at)msn.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:41 am Post subject: andair gascolator query

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Rowland,

 Although I am not a fan of the gascolator in a Europa, I prefer the  Andair.  You are so right in wanting to place it as low as possible.   Few gascolators work well elevated in the fuselage (the trap function is  thwarted) and the unit seal must be 100% as any small leak will cause the pump  to loose prime when the fuel is pulled through them.  I would have no  problem with mounting it under the fuselage with the bowl out in the air and  fabricating an aerodynamic fairing to cover it.  The cover would need a  hole in the bottom for quick draining.  One quick turn fastener on the  front and back and the whole cover would come off and the device would be  serviceable.   A desireable but very cramped area would be in the  center under the pitch tube and between the tanks.  If you make the hole a  half inch larger than the bowl it should allow service work.  Access holes  don't scare me as you must just take the time to put the structure back into the  fuselage.  Easy to do under construction, but messy with a completed  aircraft.

  

 Regards,

 Bud Yerly 

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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:36 am Post subject: andair gascolator query

Rowland, I have an Andair minigascolator behind the tanks 

accessed thru a flap and with a drain tap in its bottom, 

approved by LAA and very serviceable. Regards David Joyce 

GXSDJ

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:40:56 -0400

  "Bud Yerly" <budyerly(at)msn.com> wrotek

[quote] Rowland,

 Although I am not a fan of the gascolator in a Europa, I 

prefer the Andair.  You are so right in wanting to place 

it as low as possible.  Few gascolators work well 

elevated in the fuselage (the trap function is thwarted) 

and the unit seal must be 100% as any small leak will 

cause the pump to loose prime when the fuel is pulled 

through them.  I would have no problem with mounting it 

under the fuselage with the bowl out in the air and 

fabricating an aerodynamic fairing to cover it.  The 

cover would need a hole in the bottom for quick draining. 

 One quick turn fastener on the front and back and the 

whole cover would come off and the device would be 

serviceable.   A desireable but very cramped area would 

be in the center under the pitch tube and between the 

tanks.  If you make the hole a half inch larger than the 

bowl it should allow service work.  Access holes don't 

scare me as you must just take the time to put the 

structure back into the fuselage.  Easy to do under 

construction, but messy with a completed aircraft.

 

 Regards,

 Bud Yerly 

  ---

paul.the.aviator(at)gmail
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Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:02 pm Post subject: andair gascolator query

Rowland,



I put mine under the baggage bay with a small door for access.  If you airplane is closed up then this will be a bit of a pain to install.

I know that this is taking the thread a bit off topic, and you are LAA constrained but if I was to do it over again I would install two, one in the main line and one in the reserve to remove a single point of failure.  I have not ever seen enough debris in mine to cause a problem but I recall Alex Bowman (?) landing out because fine rust passed though his funnel strainer but clogged his gascolator.  Not sure if it was an Andair

 



I with Bud when it comes to Andairs, they are the "gold standard" and the new filter element has a much larger area than the original. It would take a lot of crud to block it.

 Regards, Paul

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com (budyerly(at)msn.com)> wrote:

 [quote]        Rowland,

 Although I am not a fan of the gascolator in a Europa, I prefer the  Andair.  You are so right in wanting to place it as low as possible.   Few gascolators work well elevated in the fuselage (the trap function is  thwarted) and the unit seal must be 100% as any small leak will cause the pump  to loose prime when the fuel is pulled through them.  I would have no  problem with mounting it under the fuselage with the bowl out in the air and  fabricating an aerodynamic fairing to cover it.  The cover would need a  hole in the bottom for quick draining.  One quick turn fastener on the  front and back and the whole cover would come off and the device would be  serviceable.   A desireable but very cramped area would be in the  center under the pitch tube and between the tanks.  If you make the hole a  half inch larger than the bowl it should allow service work.  Access holes  don't scare me as you must just take the time to put the structure back into the  fuselage.  Easy to do under construction, but messy with a completed  aircraft.

  

 Regards,

 Bud Yerly

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