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dfritz(at)bpgsim.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:22 am Post subject: Baggage Tie Downs

Are many people putting baggage tie downs in the baggage compartment?



Dave



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rene(at)felker.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:46 am Post subject: Baggage Tie Downs

I did and removed them two years ago for the condition inspection and have

not put them back in.  After flying two hundred hours I found I did not need

them.  I do not have things flying up from the back........YMMV



Rene' Felker

N423CF

801-721-6080



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carl.froehlich(at)verizon
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:45 am Post subject: Baggage Tie Downs

I found some nice indoor/outdoor carpet in the aviation section at Lowes.

This is about 1/8" think with a rubber back.  A few inches of double sided

tape and you have a surface that limits stuff moving around - and it looks

good.  $20 got me enough to change out this carpet several times. 



Carl

RV-10 (120 hrs)

RV-8A (sold)



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dave.saylor.aircrafters(a
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:35 pm Post subject: Baggage Tie Downs

YMMV when you come to a sudden, unplanned stop.  Yes, we sell tie downs ($49, available on our web site), but mostly because I'm pretty fanatic about securing stuff in the cabin and the baggage compartment.  Early in my career I worked for a company that lost a customer after he survived the crash but not the baggage.

  



I have tiedowns and a cargo net.  Belt and suspenders, literally.



  Dave Saylor

831-750-0284 CL

 



On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Rene Felker <rene(at)felker.com (rene(at)felker.com)> wrote:

[quote]  --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com (rene(at)felker.com)>

 

 I did and removed them two years ago for the condition inspection and have

 not put them back in.  After flying two hundred hours I found I did not need

 them.  I do not have things flying up from the back........YMMV

 

 Rene' Felker

 N423CF

 [url=tel:801-721-6080]801-721-6080[/url]

 

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flysrv10(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:57 pm Post subject: Baggage Tie Downs

If you fly in turbulence, like penetrating any kind of weather, it is a must. 



Do not archive. 



Rob Kermanj 

Sent from my iPad



On Jul 22, 2013, at 2:45 PM, "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> wrote:



[quote] 

 

 I did and removed them two years ago for the condition inspection and have

 not put them back in.  After flying two hundred hours I found I did not need

 them.  I do not have things flying up from the back........YMMV

 

 Rene' Felker

 N423CF

 801-721-6080

 

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Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:36 pm Post subject: Baggage Tie Downs

Website address?



Rob Kermanj 

Sent from my iPad



On Jul 22, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com (dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]YMMV when you come to a sudden, unplanned stop.  Yes, we sell tie downs ($49, available on our web site), but mostly because I'm pretty fanatic about securing stuff in the cabin and the baggage compartment.  Early in my career I worked for a company that lost a customer after he survived the crash but not the baggage.

  



I have tiedowns and a cargo net.  Belt and suspenders, literally.



  Dave Saylor

831-750-0284 CL

 



On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Rene Felker <rene(at)felker.com (rene(at)felker.com)> wrote:

[quote]  --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com (rene(at)felker.com)>

 

 I did and removed them two years ago for the condition inspection and have

 not put them back in.  After flying two hundred hours I found I did not need

 them.  I do not have things flying up from the back........YMMV

 

 Rene' Felker

 N423CF

 [url=tel:801-721-6080]801-721-6080[/url]

 

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tfarrell839

Joined: 10 Nov 2012
Posts: 27
Location: Watsonville, CA

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:56 pm Post subject: Baggage Tie Downs

Third item down . . . http://www.aircraftersllc.com/products.html

     

     Tim

     On 7/22/2013 5:45 PM, Rob Kermanj       wrote:

     

     [quote]              Website address?

         

         Rob Kermanj 

         Sent from my iPad

       

         On Jul 22, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com (dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com)>         wrote:

         

       

       [quote]                                 YMMV when               you come to a sudden, unplanned stop.  Yes, we sell tie               downs ($49, available on our web site), but mostly because               I'm pretty fanatic about securing stuff in the cabin and               the baggage compartment.  Early in my career I worked for               a company that lost a customer after he survived the crash               but not the baggage.

             

             

             I have               tiedowns and a cargo net.  Belt and suspenders, literally.

           

                        Dave Saylor

               831-750-0284 CL

             

             

             On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:45 AM,               Rene Felker <rene(at)felker.com (rene(at)felker.com)>               wrote:

               [quote]                 --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com (rene(at)felker.com)>

                 

                 I did and removed them two years ago for the condition                 inspection and have

                 not put them back in.  After flying two hundred hours I                 found I did not need

                 them.  I do not have things flying up from the                 back........YMMV

                 

                     Rene' Felker

                     N423CF

                     [url=tel:801-721-6080]801-721-6080[/url]

                                                       

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Tim Farrell
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partner14

Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:05 pm Post subject: Baggage Tie Downs

Put them in and never used them,,,, so I removed them.

Don McDonald





        From: Dave Fritzsche (Building) <dfritz(at)bpgsim.com>

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Are many people putting baggage tie downs in the baggage compartment?



Dave



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Don A. McDonald
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rv10flyer(at)live.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:48 pm Post subject: Baggage Tie Downs

I built mine from the hinge material used to secure the cowls, basically 

made a few holes and pop riveted them in, cost about.. $1 dollar in pop 

rivets and spare parts. I use it on every flight for holding down a bin with 

extra oil, plexi cleaner, tie down material, chocks (made from spare angle), 

etc.. I have a rug in the area as well, cut around the hinges.. I used a tie 

down net from my motorcycle, but can be easily acquired from the car dept. 

in Walmart.

Put the tie down in, they don’t take much space and it's there if you need 

it for whatever that may be. If you decide not to do so, just don’t practice 

negative G's with anything back there. Keep in mind I do not use the tie 

down for large luggage any for smaller pieces I want secured.

Pascal



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hotwheels

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Posts: 240

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:17 am Post subject: Re: Baggage Tie Downs

I installed baggage tie downs both in the baggage compartment and behind the copilot seat. I use 'em... Very handy to secure sandbags at the moment. It would seem counter intuitive to not secure baggage and/or loose items. These were easy to install... http://www.aircraftersllc.com/products.html 



Cheers,

Jay

433RV - Phase 1

flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:37 am Post subject: Baggage Tie Downs

Those look nice but I don't see any added utility to the D-ring type 

from the hardware store.  What am I missing???

Linn ..... installing FAB



On 7/23/2013 10:17 AM, hotwheels wrote:

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 I installed baggage tie downs both in the baggage compartment and behind the copilot seat. I use 'em... Very handy to secure sandbags at the moment. It would seem counter intuitive to not secure baggage and/or loose items. These were easy to install... http://www.aircraftersllc.com/products.html



 Cheers,

 Jay

 433RV - Phase 1





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tfarrell839

Joined: 10 Nov 2012
Posts: 27
Location: Watsonville, CA

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:56 am Post subject: Baggage Tie Downs

I don't know how much the D-rings weigh, but I bet these are much lighter. They are made from extruded aluminum hinge. Plus they have a little lip so they are easy flip up with your finger. 

Tim

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On Jul 23, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com> wrote:

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 Those look nice but I don't see any added utility to the D-ring type from the hardware store.  What am I missing???

 Linn ..... installing FAB

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AirMike

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 514
Location: Nevada

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:39 pm Post subject: Baggage Tie Downs

I have a very lightly finished plane 1720# and need about 40-50# in the aft baggage area (removed for overnighters with baggage) when flying with one or two folks up front. I use two "billets" of lead shot placed in a 2" ABS pipe. This way the lead is isolated and clean. The two "billets" take up almost no space. I secure them with lots of bungees and have tie-down eyes also that I got from a trashed Cessna. The Cessna tie-downs are really neat and they are removable - they screw into a #10 nut plate.



For the nay sayers on baggage tie downs...........Why wear a seat belt if the crap in the back is going to bash your head and back in the event of a crash?

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Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Baggage Tie Downs

Warning, thread drift...



Why not carry 5 or more gallons of water in collapsible plastic jugs? If you have to fly somewhere solo to pick up a full load, it's easy to pour out the water; not so great to pour out lead shot!



Btw , I do not consider 1720 lbs to be particularly light for a ten.

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rene(at)felker.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:35 am Post subject: Baggage Tie Downs

Well since I started this with saying I removed my tie downs, I feel I need

to at least add one response to the shots (pun intended) being fired.



The baggage compartment of the -10 is somewhat isolated from the passenger

compartment by the rear seats, so movement of items is restricted in flight.

I understand the point that if you have a sudden stop that everything loose

is moving forward.  But on the other hand, I do not fly around ever with two

20 pound slugs in my baggage compartment.....I just land the airplane when I

am light...don't need any weight in the back to help and pull the flaps up

just a little if I am extremely light (rear seats removed).  My CG is aft of

Vans due to a larger battery and O2 in the back.



But lets be clear, I am not recommending anyone remove their tie downs or

not put them in.  It only takes 8 screws for me to put mine back in and if I

ever think I need them, I will do that.  If I ever go cargo mode again (rear

seats removed), I am sure to put them back in to hold down what I am

carrying.



I have thought about putting a net between the rear seats and the baggage

compartment....but then the kids would have trouble reaching back to get a

snack during the flight.



If we ever come to a sudden stop, I am sure I will be hit in the back of the

head with an I-pad or two....plus whatever they have not eaten yet.  



Rene' Felker

N423CF

801-721-6080



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jchang10

Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 227

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:51 am Post subject: Baggage Tie Downs

I stole this from someone else. I use a half inch or so Adel clamp in 

some strategic places where a #8 screw already exists. It has worked out 

well so far.

jae



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johngoodman

Joined: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 530
Location: GA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:41 am Post subject: Re: Baggage Tie Downs

I bought the tie downs that Van sells. I like them a lot, but really don't use them too much. I also bought some baggage netting for Aircraft Spruce. I also don't use it much.

As far as weight, lead shot costs $3 a pound, while pennies cost $2 a pound. Water can leak or freeze.

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