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nickc(at)mtaonline.net
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Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:05 am Post subject: Mounting light on Rudder?

Hello Kolbers,

 

I am wondering if anyone has mounted a light on the trailing edge or top of the Rudder? If so how did you do it, and how did it work out?

 

Thanks,

 

Nick Cassara

Palmer, Alaska

 

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rowedenny

Joined: 09 Mar 2008
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Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:03 pm Post subject: Mounting light on Rudder?

Never did it, but ill recommend you go with the top mount as the trailing edge mount would increase the chance of flutter.



Dennis "Skid" RoweMk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA

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Hello Kolbers,

 

I am wondering if anyone has mounted a light on the trailing edge or top of the Rudder? If so how did you do it, and how did it work out?

 

Thanks,

 

Nick Cassara

Palmer, Alaska

 

Kolbra 607AK

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racerjerry

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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:21 am Post subject: Re: Mounting light on Rudder?

Well, Cessna mounted a light on the rudder trailing edge; but please remember that if you do, you are adding mass in the WRONG DIRECTION that will increase the chance of FLUTTER.   Not Recommended.



My vote is for mounting on top of the vertical stabilizer.

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Richard Pike

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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:07 am Post subject: Re: Mounting light on Rudder?

My MKIII needed a counterbalance to stop the rudder flutter, probably due to the addition of a light. If I had it to do over again, I would have mounted one on each wing tip instead. Here are the pictures and description of the light and counterbalance:

 http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg6.htm

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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:49 am Post subject: Mounting light on Rudder?

When Cessna mounted a light on  the trailing edge of the rudder, you can bet they BALANCED the rudder -- so it wouldn't flutter.

They recommend that even when you repaint a control surface, you re-balance to compensate for this very slight weight difference. 

This is important, even at the low speeds of a Kolb. Flutter can destroy a control surface in a couple of seconds.

Russ K



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 Well, Cessna mounted a light on the rudder trailing edge; but please remember that if you do, you are adding mass in the WRONG DIRECTION that will increase the chance of FLUTTER.   Not Recommended.

 

 My vote is for mounting on top of the vertical stabilizer.

 

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rickofudall

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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:18 pm Post subject: Mounting light on Rudder?

Does anyone have a picture of a Cessna with a light mounted as described?

Rick Girard

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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com (russk50(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 When Cessna mounted a light on  the trailing edge of the rudder, you can bet they BALANCED the rudder -- so it wouldn't flutter.

 They recommend that even when you repaint a control surface, you re-balance to compensate for this very slight weight difference.

 This is important, even at the low speeds of a Kolb. Flutter can destroy a control surface in a couple of seconds.

 Russ K

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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:00 pm Post subject: Mounting light on Rudder?

Rick, my Cessna 170 had such a light, factory-mounted as original equipment. If you can find a 170 anywhere (at least the B model) I think you'll see that light. I no longer have that aircraft so can't send you a pic.do not archive

Russ K

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[quote]Does anyone have a picture of a Cessna with a light mounted as described?

Rick Girard

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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com (russk50(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 When Cessna mounted a light on  the trailing edge of the rudder, you can bet they BALANCED the rudder -- so it wouldn't flutter.

 They recommend that even when you repaint a control surface, you re-balance to compensate for this very slight weight difference.

 This is important, even at the low speeds of a Kolb. Flutter can destroy a control surface in a couple of seconds.

 Russ K

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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:05 pm Post subject: Mounting light on Rudder?

Got a 170 we are restoring but the rudder is at my buddy's garage, looks a lot like Rev Pikes only made with corrugated aluminum. 



Dennis "Skid" Rowe

Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA



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[quote] Does anyone have a picture of a Cessna with a light mounted as described?

 

 Rick Girard

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 On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> wrote:

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> This is important, even at the low speeds of a Kolb. Flutter can destroy a control surface in a couple of seconds.

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Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:50 am Post subject: Mounting light on Rudder?

I think all the B models, from '52 on, had that light. Note the counterbalance in front if the hinge lineGood luck!

On Aug 16, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Dennis Rowe wrote:

[quote]Got a 170 we are restoring but the rudder is at my buddy's garage, looks a lot like Rev Pikes only made with corrugated aluminum. 

Dennis "Skid" RoweMk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA

On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:18 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		  Does anyone have a picture of a Cessna with a light mounted as described?

Rick Girard

do not archive

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com (russk50(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 When Cessna mounted a light on  the trailing edge of the rudder, you can bet they BALANCED the rudder -- so it wouldn't flutter.

 They recommend that even when you repaint a control surface, you re-balance to compensate for this very slight weight difference.

 This is important, even at the low speeds of a Kolb. Flutter can destroy a control surface in a couple of seconds.

 Russ K

 On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:21 AM, racerjerry wrote:

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 > Well, Cessna mounted a light on the rudder trailing edge; but please remember that if you do, you are adding mass in the WRONG DIRECTION that will increase the chance of FLUTTER.   Not Recommended.

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 > My vote is for mounting on top of the vertical stabilizer.

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Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:47 am Post subject: Mounting light on Rudder?

This is probably the worst mistake I have made in a long time.For several years I had a bad case of airplane lust for a 170B. I fear it has been reawakened after 10 minutes of looking at pictures of that beautiful aircraft.

 Dang!

Rick

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On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 6:50 AM, kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com (russk50(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		  I think all the B models, from '52 on, had that light. Note the counterbalance in front if the hinge line Good luck!



On Aug 16, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Dennis Rowe wrote:



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		  Got a 170 we are restoring but the rudder is at my buddy's garage, looks a lot like Rev Pikes only made with corrugated aluminum. 

 

Dennis "Skid" RoweMk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA

On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:18 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 



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		  Does anyone have a picture of a Cessna with a light mounted as described?



Rick Girard

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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com (russk50(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 When Cessna mounted a light on  the trailing edge of the rudder, you can bet they BALANCED the rudder -- so it wouldn't flutter.

 They recommend that even when you repaint a control surface, you re-balance to compensate for this very slight weight difference.

 This is important, even at the low speeds of a Kolb. Flutter can destroy a control surface in a couple of seconds.

 Russ K

 

 

 

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 > Well, Cessna mounted a light on the rudder trailing edge; but please remember that if you do, you are adding mass in the WRONG DIRECTION that will increase the chance of FLUTTER.   Not Recommended.

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 > My vote is for mounting on top of the vertical stabilizer.

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 > --------

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Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:13 am Post subject: Mounting light on Rudder?

Rick,  I wouldn't worry about it now.  Undoubtedly after all these years you lost that familiarity of the "old airplane" smell, the one where when you first get in it they have the "aluminum/slight gas" smell, with the slightest hint of

oil in the air.  I'm sure gone, too, is the rocking feeling as you adjust to get a comfortable position in the seat, and you stare at

the gauges and the control and remember how much fun they were to fly.   Damn it.    Now I want one, too.

Mike

On Aug 17, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]This is probably the worst mistake I have made in a long time.For several years I had a bad case of airplane lust for a 170B. I fear it has been reawakened after 10 minutes of looking at pictures of that beautiful aircraft.

 Dang!

Rick

do not archive

On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 6:50 AM, kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com (russk50(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		  I think all the B models, from '52 on, had that light. Note the counterbalance in front if the hinge line Good luck!

On Aug 16, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Dennis Rowe wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Got a 170 we are restoring but the rudder is at my buddy's garage, looks a lot like Rev Pikes only made with corrugated aluminum. 

Dennis "Skid" RoweMk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA

On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:18 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Does anyone have a picture of a Cessna with a light mounted as described?

Rick Girard

do not archive

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com (russk50(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 When Cessna mounted a light on  the trailing edge of the rudder, you can bet they BALANCED the rudder -- so it wouldn't flutter.

 They recommend that even when you repaint a control surface, you re-balance to compensate for this very slight weight difference.

 This is important, even at the low speeds of a Kolb. Flutter can destroy a control surface in a couple of seconds.

 Russ K

 On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:21 AM, racerjerry wrote:

 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us (gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us)>

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 > Well, Cessna mounted a light on the rudder trailing edge; but please remember that if you do, you are adding mass in the WRONG DIRECTION that will increase the chance of FLUTTER.   Not Recommended.

 >

 > My vote is for mounting on top of the vertical stabilizer.

 >

 > --------

 > Jerry King

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 > Read this topic online here:

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Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:24 am Post subject: Mounting light on Rudder?

if I remember...  the regs say that the  light should be mounted on the most rear part of the air  craft...     that way the light can be seen from any angle  with out being blanked out.    

 if you donâ€™t want to add the chance of  flutter...  make a bracket for the light and mount it to the forward part  of the tail wheel support rod where vibration would be at a  minimum.

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 Well, Cessna mounted a light on the  rudder trailing edge; but please remember that if you do, you are adding mass in  the WRONG DIRECTION that will increase the chance of FLUTTER. Not  Recommended.

 My vote is for mounting on top of the vertical  stabilizer.

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Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:39 am Post subject: Mounting light on Rudder?

All the 170s must have had the rudder light as ours is an original 1948 ragwing.



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On Aug 17, 2013, at 7:50 AM, kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> wrote:



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		   I think all the B models, from '52 on, had that light. Note the counterbalance in front if the hinge line

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